# snother stupid self-inflicted Clinton wound: Bill & Loretta meeting **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [July 1, 2016, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snother-stupid-self-inflicted-clinton-wound-bill-loretta-meeting/758867 "2016-07-01T15:06:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2016, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snother-stupid-self-inflicted-clinton-wound-bill-loretta-meeting/758867/81 "2016-07-02T20:30:09Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > And it is much ado about nothing. I want to add I do not understand this statement. We do not know what was said but we do have the chief law enforcement officer in the US meeting covertly with the husband of someone who is the subject of multiple FBI investigations and who is also the democrat candidate for president of the United States. How is that “nothing”? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2016, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snother-stupid-self-inflicted-clinton-wound-bill-loretta-meeting/758867/82 "2016-07-02T20:40:02Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > How is that “nothing”? It always _is_, isn’t it? We may be conditioned to think the way we do, but so may you, and all precedent supports our view. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2016, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snother-stupid-self-inflicted-clinton-wound-bill-loretta-meeting/758867/83 "2016-07-02T20:48:14Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > It always _is_, isn’t it? > > We may be conditioned to think the way we do, but so may you, and all precedent supports our view. I did not follow any of that. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2016, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snother-stupid-self-inflicted-clinton-wound-bill-loretta-meeting/758867/84 "2016-07-02T20:50:10Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > WJ Clinton is a very charismatic highly intelligent excellent communicator and seller of ideas. And he is a doofus goofball in many ways. Impulse control has never been his strongest suit is all I am sayin’ … HR Clinton OTOH is likely even more intelligent and is all about the impulse control, but has none of his charisma and communications gifts. I think there’s some ying-yang there. Is that what kids are calling it these days? Or was that what we called it back then? The Sacred Chao. A little soixante-neuf. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2016, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snother-stupid-self-inflicted-clinton-wound-bill-loretta-meeting/758867/85 "2016-07-02T20:57:34Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > I did not follow any of that. You think it’s something possibly because you want it to, finally, _be_ something. Precedent on previous Clinton somethings is that they always turn out to be pretty much nothings. Clearer? ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2016, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snother-stupid-self-inflicted-clinton-wound-bill-loretta-meeting/758867/86 "2016-07-02T21:10:57Z")
If Hillary does get indicted, what’s the worst that could/would happen? A fine? A 1-month prison sentence? A sentence long enough to last till past November? ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2016, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snother-stupid-self-inflicted-clinton-wound-bill-loretta-meeting/758867/87 "2016-07-02T21:16:25Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > You think it’s something possibly because you want it to, finally, _be_ something. Precedent on previous Clinton somethings is that they always turn out to be pretty much nothings. > > Clearer? No it is not clearer and I still am not following what you are getting at. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2016, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snother-stupid-self-inflicted-clinton-wound-bill-loretta-meeting/758867/88 "2016-07-02T21:17:36Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > If Hillary does get indicted, what’s the worst that could/would happen? > > A fine? A 1-month prison sentence? A sentence long enough to last till past November? I think the question here is how it might affect her election prospects. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2016, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snother-stupid-self-inflicted-clinton-wound-bill-loretta-meeting/758867/89 "2016-07-02T21:25:51Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Well, it seems only die hard Clinton apologists think this is much ado about nothing. I am hard pressed to find any member of congress (on either side) who are defending this. > > Even assuming, for the sake of argument, that they only talked about their grandkids there is pretty much universal (except here) agreement that the “optics” of this look really bad. And the optics look bad precisely because the opportunity here for improper discussions about a serious legal matter that affects the whole country are in play. > > This is not about a parking ticket. They are both lawyers and very smart people. They were almost certainly fully aware of all of these issues yet somehow thought a friendly chit-chat about their families was a good idea. I am not a die hard Clinton apologist. I am a Bernie Sanders supporter. The only optics that look bad are if you’re a die hard Clinton hater or a news seller trying to get ratings. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2016, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snother-stupid-self-inflicted-clinton-wound-bill-loretta-meeting/758867/90 "2016-07-02T21:28:27Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > I want to add I do not understand this statement. > > We do not know what was said but we do have the chief law enforcement officer in the US meeting covertly with the husband of someone who is the subject of multiple FBI investigations and who is also the democrat candidate for president of the United States. > > How is that “nothing”? Hillary Clinton is not the subject of multiple FBI investigations. It is possible that her email servers are. But why am I bothering to debate someone who says “democrat” (in lower case) instead of Democratic? ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2016, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snother-stupid-self-inflicted-clinton-wound-bill-loretta-meeting/758867/91 "2016-07-02T21:49:00Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Hillary Clinton is not the subject of multiple FBI investigations. It is possible that her email servers are. Wrong (bolding mine)… > [@](#): > > “The privacy interests at stake are high because **the government’s criminal investigation** through which Mr. Pagliano received limited immunity is ongoing and confidential,” U.S. District Court Judge Emmet Sullivan wrote in an order issued Tuesday. > > SOURCE: [http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/hillary-clinton-judge-investigation-224314](http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/hillary-clinton-judge-investigation-224314) ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2016, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snother-stupid-self-inflicted-clinton-wound-bill-loretta-meeting/758867/92 "2016-07-02T22:01:47Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > …The story is there was a leak somewhere that tipped off local media. If not for that this would have been a meeting no one knew about. Really? Neither Clinton nor Lynch had any Secret Service personnel with them, that day? And no staff? And they were flying the planes themselves and also doing flight attendant duty? Please. And none of these job descriptions entail making any reports of any kind? Secret Service people never create records or account for the movements of their protectees? Pilots of government aircraft never record the entries or exits of individuals onto their planes? Folks on the right are making themselves ridiculous with these nutty suppositions. The obvious fact is that quite literally dozens of people would have known about the meeting–those present, and those to whom they (as part of their jobs) reported. In your wildest conspiracy theories, how could you guarantee that not one of them would ever mention the meeting? ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2016, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snother-stupid-self-inflicted-clinton-wound-bill-loretta-meeting/758867/93 "2016-07-02T22:13:33Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Apparently you have not read the news lately … I don’t watch television news much but I do read quite a bit. Things I read were along the lines of [the WSJ coverage](http://www.wsj.com/articles/attorney-general-loretta-lynch-to-accept-officials-determination-on-clinton-email-1467372419): > [@](#): > > Critics, including Republicans, some Democrats and some former federal prosecutors, say the half-hour meeting at the Phoenix airport created an appearance of impropriety because Mr. Clinton could have been seen as garnering goodwill from Ms. Lynch, even if the two didn’t discuss the specifics of the email case. > > The former president initiated the meeting after hearing the attorney general’s plane was on the same tarmac, people familiar with the matter said. > > The attorney general has said she and the former president, who appointed her as a U.S. attorney in 1999, didn’t talk about the email investigation, but rather golf, grandchildren and other matters unrelated to the Justice Department. > > Festival moderator Jonathan Capehart asked Ms. Lynch on Friday, “What on earth were you thinking?” > > She said, “I think that’s a perfectly reasonable question.…Certainly my meeting with him raises questions and concerns. Believe me, I completely get that question.” > > Ms. Lynch said she had already planned to follow the recommendations of the FBI and career prosecutors in resolving the case > [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > I want to add I do not understand this statement. … Sorry that you do not. Not sure why you don’t. Two people who have a long relationship happened to be near each other and said “hey” to each other. There is absolutely no reason to speculate anything other than how it was described except in the twisted minds of various tin foil hatted conspiracy theorists and those predisposed to believe anything evil of anyone named Clinton, those who would spin a saying hey as a secret covert meeting … “they could have been discussing plans to take over the world … we don’t know! Anything is possible to speculate!”. That said without question both of them should have been aware that this country is full of those people and viewed the world through that lens before being sociable. Viewing through that lens they would have seen that being sociable could look bad. Not doing so was dumb. Dumb but not evil and not a major deal. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2016, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snother-stupid-self-inflicted-clinton-wound-bill-loretta-meeting/758867/94 "2016-07-02T22:19:41Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Wrong (bolding mine)… Where does that link say that Hillary Clinton, herself, is the subject of an investigation? ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2016, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snother-stupid-self-inflicted-clinton-wound-bill-loretta-meeting/758867/95 "2016-07-02T22:21:21Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Recur herself? What does that mean? As noted by **running coach** , that was a typo. It should have read “recuse.” > [@running\_coach](#): > > It’s pretty evident that the intended word is [recuse.](http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/recuse) Thank you for pointing that out. I didn’t realize I’d made that error, and I’d missed **D’Anconia** responding to that post. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2016, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snother-stupid-self-inflicted-clinton-wound-bill-loretta-meeting/758867/96 "2016-07-02T22:21:35Z")
I am speculating that WJC was trying to seduce her. It sounds just as plausible. We all get to speculate. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2016, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snother-stupid-self-inflicted-clinton-wound-bill-loretta-meeting/758867/97 "2016-07-02T22:27:24Z")
Well, lets just assume that dastardly info was passed, from one to another and maybe back again. What would be the nature of that info? Bill most likely knows about it. Ms Lynch surely does. The investigation just plain looks bad. Bill knows that. If Ms Lynch intercedes to lower the impact, it will look bad. Bill knows that. And they both further know that if she did no such thing, there will be people claiming that she _did_, but covertly. _Everybody_ knows that one. So, what was it about, if our most dire suspicions are realized? And could it possibly be the Big Hairy Ass Deal that keeps Sean Hannity masturbating like a motherfuck? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2016, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snother-stupid-self-inflicted-clinton-wound-bill-loretta-meeting/758867/98 "2016-07-02T23:34:17Z")
Time for another congressional investigation. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2016, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snother-stupid-self-inflicted-clinton-wound-bill-loretta-meeting/758867/99 "2016-07-03T01:00:41Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > It is speculation but absurd and unfounded? I don’t think so. > > As a lawyer you do not see the clear appearance of impropriety here? No. Bill is not Hillary’s attorney. And the mere fact that he talked to the official in charge of deciding on an indictment would be unremarkable if it were Bill and Hillary Brunschwaz. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2016, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snother-stupid-self-inflicted-clinton-wound-bill-loretta-meeting/758867/100 "2016-07-03T04:15:05Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > No. > > Bill is not Hillary’s attorney. And the mere fact that he talked to the official in charge of deciding on an indictment would be unremarkable if it were Bill and Hillary Brunschwaz. It would still be improper if it were Bill and Hillary Brunschwaz but of course it isn’t Bill and Hillary Brunschwaz. It is the US attorney general meeting with the former president of the US and husband of the democratic nominee for president of the United States who is involved in a felony investigation by the FBI. Funny thing is even Lorett Lynch sees the problem here as offered up by DSeid above. Weird that you don’t. > [@](#): > > Festival moderator Jonathan Capehart asked Ms. Lynch on Friday, “What on earth were you thinking?” > > She said, “I think that’s a perfectly reasonable question.…Certainly my meeting with him raises questions and concerns. Believe me, I completely get that question.” > > SOURCE: [http://www.wsj.com/articles/attorney-general-loretta-lynch-to-accept-officials-determination-on-clinton-email-1467372419](http://www.wsj.com/articles/attorney-general-loretta-lynch-to-accept-officials-determination-on-clinton-email-1467372419) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snother-stupid-self-inflicted-clinton-wound-bill-loretta-meeting/758867.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snother-stupid-self-inflicted-clinton-wound-bill-loretta-meeting/758867.md?page=6)