# snother stupid self-inflicted Clinton wound: Bill & Loretta meeting **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [July 1, 2016, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snother-stupid-self-inflicted-clinton-wound-bill-loretta-meeting/758867 "2016-07-01T15:06:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2016, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snother-stupid-self-inflicted-clinton-wound-bill-loretta-meeting/758867/121 "2016-07-03T19:29:10Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Clinton is at the center of a criminal investigation into her email server. > [@](#): > > The judge cited the government’s **criminal investigation of Clinton’s server** in withholding the details of Pagliano’s immunity deal. “The privacy interests at stake are high because the government’s criminal investigation through which Mr. Pagliano received limited immunity is ongoing and confidential,” Sullivan wrote in his brief order. > > SOURCE: [https://www.yahoo.com/news/judge-bar](https://www.yahoo.com/news/judge-bar)…-election.html Again, where does it say Clinton, herself, is the subject of a criminal investigation? ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2016, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snother-stupid-self-inflicted-clinton-wound-bill-loretta-meeting/758867/122 "2016-07-03T19:30:47Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > The problem here is that the meeting happened in the first place. Maybe they talked about grandkids. Maybe they talked about the FBI investigation. Maybe both. > > A clandestine meeting is the issue and few beside you are defending it (even Loretta Lynch admits it looked bad so why can’t you?). You should look in the mirror before talking about polarized sunglasses. > > And **Bricker** can tell us how this is not an ethical problem if he wants to. Clandestine? Were they sneaking around back alleys? ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2016, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snother-stupid-self-inflicted-clinton-wound-bill-loretta-meeting/758867/123 "2016-07-03T19:46:52Z")
Actually I am unclear about how we know about this. The reports I read say that a local reporter was “tipped off” about it … by whom, who knows … not that anyone just happened to be there. The reporter was not there but is repeating what his unnamed source has told him, got another source to substantiate, and the meeting itself obviously being then confirmed by Lynch. But no, “not in the public eye” ≠ “covert.” The fact that you do not know what I ate for dinner last night or with whom does not mean that my dinner was a covert operation or that my dinner partner and I met clandestinely. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2016, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snother-stupid-self-inflicted-clinton-wound-bill-loretta-meeting/758867/124 "2016-07-03T20:43:10Z")
> [@dseid](#): > > but no, “not in the public eye” ≠ “covert.” the fact that you do not know what i ate for dinner last night or with whom does not mean that my dinner was a covert operation or that my dinner partner and i met clandestinely. _How can we be sure??!?!?!?!?!?!??!??!?!??!??_ Can you PROVE that you weren’t meeting covertly??? Can you PROVE that you were simply having “dinner”??? I THINK NOT!!!1!!! ---
**Author:** ![sleestak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/919ad9/32.png) [@sleestak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sleestak)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2016, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snother-stupid-self-inflicted-clinton-wound-bill-loretta-meeting/758867/125 "2016-07-03T21:46:17Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Actually I am unclear about how we know about this. The reports I read say that a local reporter was “tipped off” about it … by whom, who knows … not that anyone just happened to be there. The reporter was not there but is repeating what his unnamed source has told him, got another source to substantiate, and the meeting itself obviously being then confirmed by Lynch. > > But no, “not in the public eye” ≠ “covert.” The fact that you do not know what I ate for dinner last night or with whom does not mean that my dinner was a covert operation or that my dinner partner and I met clandestinely. If you’d like to argue about semantics, fine. How about this, if the reporter had not been tipped off, the not-covert meeting would have remained unknown to be the general public. Agreed? Or do you think either Lynch or Clinton would have publicized it themselves? Slee ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2016, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snother-stupid-self-inflicted-clinton-wound-bill-loretta-meeting/758867/126 "2016-07-03T22:17:16Z")
Agreed that it would have just been a part of each of their days that the general public did not know about. No, I do not that either would have made an announcement about it. Maybe when she got home she would have told her husband - “Guess who just _stopped in_ to say hi while my plane was waiting on the tarmac today? Bill Clinton! _Awk_ward! Gawd could you imagine what the press would have done with that if they were there? Sheesh. The man’s a freaking genius but dang can he be dumb.” ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2016, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snother-stupid-self-inflicted-clinton-wound-bill-loretta-meeting/758867/127 "2016-07-03T23:07:44Z")
Why is it scandalous for Bill to meet with a country music legend? Is there that much disdain for _Coal Miner’s Daughter_? Wait, what? Never mind. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2016, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snother-stupid-self-inflicted-clinton-wound-bill-loretta-meeting/758867/128 "2016-07-03T23:48:35Z")
One ay or the other, doesn’t matter. Clinton haters would paint the meeting as covert if it were in front of the entire White House press corps. ---
**Author:** ![sleestak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/919ad9/32.png) [@sleestak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sleestak)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snother-stupid-self-inflicted-clinton-wound-bill-loretta-meeting/758867/129 "2016-07-06T20:29:24Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Agreed that it would have just been a part of each of their days that the general public did not know about. No, I do not that either would have made an announcement about it. > > Maybe when she got home she would have told her husband - “Guess who just _stopped in_ to say hi while my plane was waiting on the tarmac today? Bill Clinton! _Awk_ward! Gawd could you imagine what the press would have done with that if they were there? Sheesh. The man’s a freaking genius but dang can he be dumb.” In other words you believe that Clinton is so stupid that he did not understand that the meeting was inappropriate or that they are both ethically challenged and would not report the meeting. Got it. One thing I am very curious about is the reporter. From what I have read the reporter, Christopher Sign, had time to meet with his management before boogieing down to the airport. This is after he got a tip that the two were meeting. If it was an impromptu meeting, the timeline from tip-\> _meet with_ and discuss with management -\> get to the airport seems a bit tight if it was a 30 minute meeting. My understanding of things may be incorrect. However, if I do understand what happened correctly, it seems very odd. Slee ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snother-stupid-self-inflicted-clinton-wound-bill-loretta-meeting/758867/130 "2016-07-06T23:54:22Z")
> [@sleestak](#): > > In other words you believe that Clinton is so stupid that he did not understand that the meeting was inappropriate or that they are both ethically challenged and would not report the meeting. Got it. Is that a joke? He had a sexual relationship with an intern and lied under oath about it. You think he is smart when it comes to making ethical decisions? In defense of Lynch, what are you supposed to say when you’re told a former President wants to see you? She should have never been put into that position. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snother-stupid-self-inflicted-clinton-wound-bill-loretta-meeting/758867/131 "2016-07-07T00:15:20Z")
Robert Reich, who actually knows Bill Clinton personally, said it was all about his sense of entitlement. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snother-stupid-self-inflicted-clinton-wound-bill-loretta-meeting/758867/132 "2016-07-07T01:51:06Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > Is that a joke? He had a sexual relationship with an intern and lied under oath about it. You think he is smart when it comes to making ethical decisions? In defense of Lynch, what are you supposed to say when you’re told a former President wants to see you? She should have never been put into that position. Bill Clinton fucked up and forced a meeting with AG Lynch while Bill’s wife’s actions were under investigation by the FBI. Bill should never have forced himself on another woman. Maybe he can’t help himself? ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snother-stupid-self-inflicted-clinton-wound-bill-loretta-meeting/758867/133 "2016-07-07T01:57:08Z")
> [@sleestak](#): > > In other words you believe that Clinton is so stupid that he did not understand that the meeting was inappropriate or that they are both ethically challenged and would not report the meeting. Got it. More blinkered. But yes in this practical sense that stupid. > [@](#): > > One thing I am very curious about is the reporter. From what I have read the reporter, Christopher Sign, had time to meet with his management before boogieing down to the airport. This is after he got a tip that the two were meeting. > > If it was an impromptu meeting, the timeline from tip-\> _meet with_ and discuss with management -\> get to the airport seems a bit tight if it was a 30 minute meeting. > > My understanding of things may be incorrect. However, if I do understand what happened correctly, it seems very odd. > > Slee Because you are not understanding correctly what happened. Which is understandable. The reporter never got to the airport while the meeting was happening. It was all after the fact. He was tipped off that it _had_ happened, got that tip confirmed by a second unnamed source, and then confirmed by Lynch when she was asked about it directly. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2016, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snother-stupid-self-inflicted-clinton-wound-bill-loretta-meeting/758867/134 "2016-07-09T02:28:50Z")
If they don’t inflict these wounds on themselves, they might actually have to move back into the White House! Have you seen how well Hillary is polling? Tell people you’re going to be President, that’s a great way to make money. Actually being President? Do you really want to begin eight years as a highly stressed civil servant when you’re pushing 70? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2016, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snother-stupid-self-inflicted-clinton-wound-bill-loretta-meeting/758867/135 "2016-07-09T04:37:23Z")
No, but if I were married to Hillary, I might not mind if _she_ does. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2016, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snother-stupid-self-inflicted-clinton-wound-bill-loretta-meeting/758867/136 "2016-07-09T04:56:42Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > If they don’t inflict these wounds on themselves, they might actually have to move back into the White House! Have you seen how well Hillary is polling? > > Tell people you’re going to be President, that’s a great way to make money. Actually being President? Do you really want to begin eight years as a highly stressed civil servant when you’re pushing 70? > > 😛 So… you’re voting Libertarian or Green based on your ageism? ---
**Author:** ![Critical1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3e96dc/32.png) [@Critical1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Critical1)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2016, 7:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snother-stupid-self-inflicted-clinton-wound-bill-loretta-meeting/758867/137 "2016-07-09T07:33:27Z")
Am I the only one who read the op and thought it was more like [This](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuC_l3ymXhM) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snother-stupid-self-inflicted-clinton-wound-bill-loretta-meeting/758867.md?page=6)