# Snow White and other questions **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 25, 2022, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snow-white-and-other-questions/958385 "2022-01-25T22:04:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2022, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snow-white-and-other-questions/958385/21 "2022-01-26T00:22:53Z")
As we as a society start to take the thoughts and feelings of people who don’t look like the typical Doper into account, they are going to present points of view that challenge assumptions you’ve been making about the world. This includes things like Snow White and y’all are just going to have to get fucking used to it. When you don’t, and have a knee jerk pro-conventional wisdom, pro establishment freak out like this, it’s fucking depressing and makes this place seem so very old and stagnant. You said we could be indiscreet. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2022, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snow-white-and-other-questions/958385/22 "2022-01-26T03:34:27Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > You said we could be indiscreet… Don’t hold back. No one else has. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2022, 10:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snow-white-and-other-questions/958385/23 "2022-01-26T10:52:45Z")
> [@chela](#): > > What makes that old Disney movie even relevant today that they think a live action movie is just the thing? This is the Disney model now. Leveraging the name familiarity of pre-existing properties is deemed less risky than attempting to develop a new concept and then explain and sell it to the public. This is how a middling animated film like _101 Dalmatians_ gets a live-action remake (and a sequel) followed by the dumb “reinvention” _Cruella_ (which itself followed the same path that was established when they took the villain from _Sleeping Beauty_ and gave her an “antihero girlboss” spin). The CGI _Lion King_ from a couple of years ago did absolutely nothing that was better than the cel-animated original, and it did a number of things that were wretchedly terrible from an objective standpoint without any consideration of the original film. However, it made over a billion dollars, because the vast moviegoing public is incomprehensibly satisfied simply to look at things they recognize. So on we will continue to roll. Disney has done this with _Dumbo,_ _Lady and the Tramp,_ _Beauty and the Beast,_ _Jungle Book,_ _Aladdin,_ _Mulan,_ and on and on and on. There is no factor of “relevance” in any of this. It’s about greasing the skids of commercial marketability, and it was inevitable that they’d get to _Snow White_ eventually. You won’t be surprised to learn that _Little Mermaid_ and _Pinocchio_ are already in the works. But you may be baffled to hear that _Bambi_ and _Lilo & Stitch_ are also getting the same treatment. This is just how things are now. Sucks balls, but as long as the bleating hordes keep showing up for empty, repetitive nonsense, it isn’t going to stop. ---
**Author:** ![naita](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naita/32/5862_2.png) [@naita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/naita)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2022, 11:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snow-white-and-other-questions/958385/24 "2022-01-26T11:03:20Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Conversations like those started by Peter Dinklage are useful and thought provoking. So would a suggestion that we stage a performance using only actors in wheelchairs. These are good conversations to have. No one is suing about it. We’re discussing it. It feels slightly wrong to only quote this completely reasonable reply and say I agree with it. So I’ll add that the OP is being a poopoo head! ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2022, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snow-white-and-other-questions/958385/25 "2022-01-26T12:04:54Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > You won’t be surprised to learn that _Little Mermaid_ and _Pinocchio_ are already in the works. And people are losing their shit over the casting of [Halle Bailey](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halle_Bailey) as Ariel. Because of course they are. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2022, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snow-white-and-other-questions/958385/26 "2022-01-26T14:15:41Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > This is the Disney model now. Leveraging the name familiarity of pre-existing properties is deemed less risky than attempting to develop a new concept and then explain and sell it to the public. > [@Cervaise](#): > > Disney has done this with _Dumbo,_ _Lady and the Tramp,_ _Beauty and the Beast,_ _Jungle Book,_ _Aladdin,_ _Mulan,_ and on and on and on. What’s funny is that of this list, only Lady and the Tramp is actually an original piece of work from Disney. The rest of these were all derivative of older works to begin with, along with Snow White, Bambi, 101 Dalmations, Little Mermaid and Pinocchio. This isn’t a Disney Now thing, it’s how Disney has always been. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2022, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snow-white-and-other-questions/958385/27 "2022-01-26T14:53:59Z")
> [@naita](#): > > It feels slightly wrong to only quote this completely reasonable reply and say I agree with it. My OP wasn’t directed at “reasonable people” as became instantly apparent. > [@](#): > > So I’ll add that the OP is being a poopoo head! I do have that element in my character. I toldja I was special. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2022, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snow-white-and-other-questions/958385/28 "2022-01-26T16:00:21Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > And people are losing their shit over the casting of [Halle Bailey](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halle_Bailey) as Ariel. I read that as “Halle Berry” and I would have agreed that casting a 55-year-old as a young mermaid would have been awful (though Berry still looks fantastic for her age). But different actress, never mind. Bailey seems like a fine choice to me. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2022, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snow-white-and-other-questions/958385/29 "2022-01-26T16:07:57Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > I read that as “Halle Berry” and I would have agreed that casting a 55-year-old as a young mermaid would have been awful (though Berry still looks fantastic for her age). But different actress, never mind. Bailey seems like a fine choice to me. Yes, it’s a natural point of confusion. But it will come as no surprise that casting a non-white girl as a fictional creature that was green in the original (written) story is being seen as a bad thing in certain quarters. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2022, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snow-white-and-other-questions/958385/30 "2022-01-26T16:10:52Z")
Really? Would it be less objectionable to cast a white girl as a fictional creature who was green in the original story? ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2022, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snow-white-and-other-questions/958385/31 "2022-01-26T16:11:42Z")
“I want my mermaids white like they are in real life.” 🤪 ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2022, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snow-white-and-other-questions/958385/32 "2022-01-26T16:11:46Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > > [@Atamasama](#): > > > > I read that as “Halle Berry” and I would have agreed that casting a 55-year-old as a young mermaid would have been awful (though Berry still looks fantastic for her age). But different actress, never mind. Bailey seems like a fine choice to me. > > Yes, it’s a natural point of confusion. But it will come as no surprise that casting a non-white girl as a fictional creature that was green in the original (written) story is being seen as a bad thing in certain quarters. - I did a deep dive into mermaid mythology and found out that black mermaids are not new. > **[Black Mermaids: The Waters Beyond Eurocentric Mythology](https://www.tor.com/2021/11/09/black-mermaids-the-waters-beyond-eurocentric-mythology/)** > > “As far as I knew, mermaids were white.” This was a response to one of my posts on Twitter this year. At first, I was indignant. A quick scan of their account showed their bigoted views, but I stil… ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2022, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snow-white-and-other-questions/958385/33 "2022-01-26T16:13:10Z")
Apparently so. I mean, I personally am fine with the casting, although I find the whole story objectionable for reasons that have nothing to do with anyone’s color and am unlikely to watch the film. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2022, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snow-white-and-other-questions/958385/34 "2022-01-26T16:13:17Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Would it be less objectionable to cast a white girl as a fictional creature who was green in the original story? Only green water-breathing actresses with tails need apply. Preferably Danes. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2022, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snow-white-and-other-questions/958385/35 "2022-01-26T16:25:50Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > Preferably Danes. I’m sure there are some great Danes out there just waiting for this role. ---
**Author:** ![Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/q.q.switcheroo/32/5713_2.png) [@Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.Q.Switcheroo)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2022, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snow-white-and-other-questions/958385/36 "2022-01-26T16:45:33Z")
> [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](#): > > I’m sure there are some great Danes out there just waiting for this role. I don’t know, they look kind of hairy and slobbery to me. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2022, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snow-white-and-other-questions/958385/37 "2022-01-26T17:06:22Z")
This seems like a likely spot for this (mostly tongue-in-cheek) question: People get upset when a straight person is cast in a gay role, or a hearing person in a deaf role, or any number of other cases (some more clearly objectionable than others, but in all cases it is called “acting” for a reason). Why is it OK to cast good-looking English/Australian people as good-looking Americans? ---
**Author:** ![furryman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/furryman/32/99_2.png) [@furryman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furryman)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2022, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snow-white-and-other-questions/958385/38 "2022-01-26T17:17:41Z")
Well written characters of whatever persuasion or disability can be done. Heck Mr. Dinklage himself is a good example of this. My problem is inclusion simply for the sake of inclusion. Does the Human Torch in the _Fantastic Four_ movie advance human rights? Or is he there simply to appeal to SJWs? Is there even a point in deviating from the original character? ---
**Author:** ![furryman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/furryman/32/99_2.png) [@furryman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furryman)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2022, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snow-white-and-other-questions/958385/39 "2022-01-26T17:20:39Z")
Hugh Laurie is a good actor? ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2022, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snow-white-and-other-questions/958385/40 "2022-01-26T17:20:53Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > Only green water-breathing actresses with tails need apply. Preferably Danes. Is there something I don’t know about Claire? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snow-white-and-other-questions/958385.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snow-white-and-other-questions/958385.md?page=3)