# Snow White and other questions **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 25, 2022, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snow-white-and-other-questions/958385 "2022-01-25T22:04:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2022, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snow-white-and-other-questions/958385/61 "2022-01-26T19:51:09Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Really? Would it be less objectionable to cast a white girl as a fictional creature who was green in the original story? Seems to have been. I don’t recall seeing a lot of objecting going on in 1989 when the animators drew her that way. Well, I objected to the fact that they made it into a happy ending, but that was it. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2022, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snow-white-and-other-questions/958385/62 "2022-01-26T19:56:18Z")
> [@Mama\_Zappa](#): > > Re Porgy and Bess etc. - there was evidently a bit of an uproar in response to a recent revival of The Wiz - claiming the producers etc. were racist for having an all-black cast. The stupid, it burns!! I’d be curious to read any such objections. Got a link? ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2022, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snow-white-and-other-questions/958385/63 "2022-01-26T20:03:02Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > From [boxofficemojo.com](http://boxofficemojo.com), worldwide gross: > Maleficent(2014) - $758 million > Cinderella(2015) - $542 million > Beauty & The Beast (2017) - $1.2 billion > Maleficent:Mistress of Evil (2019) - $491 million > Lion King (2019) - $1.6 billion > Aladdin (2019) - $1.05 billion > Mulan (2020) - $66 million, but not released in theaters in most of the world > Cruella (2021) - $283 million > > I wish I made “mistakes” like that. Even if you were to assume Mulan is a failure anyway (and by all accounts it is legitimately pretty bad, dull and horribly different from the cartoon version), that’s one failure in nine movies. Eight for nine is an incredible run in that industry, and obviously the profitable ones blow away whatever they lost on Mulan. And that’s despite the fact a lot of the other movies weren’t all that great either. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2022, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snow-white-and-other-questions/958385/64 "2022-01-26T20:06:16Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > In LotR that is absolutely true. I don’t think there’s any question that the dwarves in either story are meant to be humans with dwarfism, and I doubt Peter Dinklage is confused on the issue, either. Yes, they’re “fairy tale” dwarves, not “real” dwarfs, but obviously there’s a significant history of deliberately confusing the two in western culture, right down to the word we use to describe humans who are extremely short. I’m not well versed on the historical depiction of little people in art and popular culture - or, for that matter, in Disney’s _Snow White_ - to have an opinion on the validity of Dinklage’s criticism, but the idea that Disney took a bunch of stereotypes about humans with dwarfism, and dropped them on a bunch of fantasy dwarves, isn’t inherently absurd, and deserves to be refuted on its actual merits, not with the ignorant bullshit presented by the OP. ---
**Author:** ![SmellMyWort](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea5d25/32.png) [@SmellMyWort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmellMyWort)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2022, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snow-white-and-other-questions/958385/65 "2022-01-26T20:15:51Z")
Yeah, The Love Bug was the #2 top grossing movie in 1969. Some mistake. [https://www.the-numbers.com/market/1969/top-grossing-movies](https://www.the-numbers.com/market/1969/top-grossing-movies) ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2022, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snow-white-and-other-questions/958385/66 "2022-01-26T20:51:17Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > I’m not well versed on the historical depiction of little people in art and popular culture - or, for that matter, in Disney’s _Snow White_ - to have an opinion on the validity of Dinklage’s criticism, but the idea that Disney took a bunch of stereotypes about humans with dwarfism, and dropped them on a bunch of fantasy dwarves, isn’t inherently absurd, and deserves to be refuted on its actual merits, not with the ignorant bullshit presented by the OP. Originally dwarves weren’t even short (which is funny considering that we use “dwarf” as a synonym for “small” these days). In the Medieval period, when pagan beliefs became “silly folktales” as Christianity took over all corners of Europe, that’s when that aspect started to appear. I think it was an attempt to diminish their importance, by diminishing their size. Originally they were nature and/or death spirits who took on the appearance of old men and lived in mountain areas. (Hence the imagery of having long beards.) I don’t know how early they were portrayed as having proportions similar to that of people with disproportionate dwarfism. That may have been a Disney idea originally. It seems almost like an etymological feedback loop; dwarves in folklore become short, then small humans are called dwarves, then Disney patterns their dwarves after some types of human dwarfism. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2022, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snow-white-and-other-questions/958385/67 "2022-01-26T21:25:10Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Asking the question here certainly created a minefield. No it didn’t. It was just a super stupid question that tried and failed to make a super stupid point. The only way it’s like a minefield is that it blew up in your face. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2022, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snow-white-and-other-questions/958385/68 "2022-01-26T21:26:45Z")
> [@CalMeacham](#): > > > [@ThelmaLou](#): > > > > How long until some group (you tell me who) sues some production company insisting that _Porgy and Bess_ be presented with an all-white cast? > > I really do think that the reason the motion picture versions of Porgy and Bess aren’t available, and that the reason nobody’s making a new one, is to avoid any sensitive discussions about this work. Even without insisting on an all-white cast, this is a potential minefield. The simpler explanation is that it’s an _opera_, which have limited appeal as movies. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2022, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snow-white-and-other-questions/958385/69 "2022-01-26T21:27:12Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > I’m not well versed on the historical depiction of little people in art and popular culture - or, for that matter, in Disney’s _Snow White_ - to have an opinion on the validity of Dinklage’s criticism, but the idea that Disney took a bunch of stereotypes about humans with dwarfism, and dropped them on a bunch of fantasy dwarves, isn’t inherently absurd, and deserves to be refuted on its actual merits, not with the ignorant bullshit presented by the OP. FWIW, [this is a really interesting article](https://dsq-sds.org/article/view/576/753) by a woman who’s written a couple of books about this history of little people as performers. > [@Abstract](#): > > Can a class of individuals that was once considered among the most prominent of freaks be “defreaked”? And if so, what could cause such a makeover to occur? The answers to these questions are playing out among persons with dwarfism in an increasing number of nations. Although the social roles of many members of this former “freak” population have undergone a transformation during the last half-century, the forces that caused them to be mocked and exploited as they struggled to cope are still very much in evidence. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2022, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snow-white-and-other-questions/958385/70 "2022-01-27T11:41:36Z")
Who cares? The original Animated versions are classics, and will be admired for generations. The live-action ones are poorly made & are unlikely to be seen, in a decade. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2022, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snow-white-and-other-questions/958385/71 "2022-01-27T13:16:30Z")
> [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](#): > > The live-action ones are poorly made & are unlikely to be seen, in a decade. The quote the honorable D. Duck, “Consequences schmonsequences, as long as I’m rich!” ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2022, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snow-white-and-other-questions/958385/72 "2022-01-27T14:01:47Z")
> [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](#): > > Who cares? > The original Animated versions are classics, and will be admired for generations. > The live-action ones are poorly made & are unlikely to be seen, in a decade. Who cares? Disney shareholders and employees? Look, if you don’t like the new live-action ones, that’s your prerogative. But to call them “poorly-made” and “mistakes”, when obviously a ton of people wanted to see them and enjoyed them, is just a bunch of deluded elitist bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2022, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snow-white-and-other-questions/958385/73 "2022-01-27T14:09:55Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > …a bunch of deluded elitist bullshit. On this site?? Can’t be. (Pretentious? Moi??) ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2022, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snow-white-and-other-questions/958385/74 "2022-01-31T17:51:45Z")
[![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/UDhCgAoggX8/maxresdefault.jpg "The Mermaid (Lyrics) - Great Big Sea") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDhCgAoggX8) ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2022, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snow-white-and-other-questions/958385/75 "2022-02-03T23:10:10Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > No it didn’t. It was just a super stupid question that tried and failed to make a super stupid point. Ad hominem example of deluded elitist bullshit ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2022, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snow-white-and-other-questions/958385/76 "2022-02-04T01:09:51Z")
You’re talking about the original “Porgy and Bess” foolishness, right? ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2022, 7:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snow-white-and-other-questions/958385/77 "2022-02-07T07:57:20Z")
[![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/PjhfUZyA6LI/hqdefault.jpg "Futurama - Reverse-Mermaid") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjhfUZyA6LI) ---
**Author:** ![nightshadea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/7ba0ec/32.png) [@nightshadea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nightshadea)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2022, 9:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snow-white-and-other-questions/958385/78 "2022-02-07T09:31:21Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > You won’t be surprised to learn that _Little Mermaid_ and _Pinocchio_ are already in the works. But you may be baffled to hear that _Bambi_ and _Lilo & Stitch_ are also getting the same treatment. ok Bambi I know they can do it because they’ve sort of done the forest animals as a movie before (see (“Perri” )but how the hell can they do lilo as stitch? stitch and the other aliens as CGI? Tho concerning the op …is he going to throw a fit if they ever make the dungeons and dragons dragon lance movie ? because dwarves are a huuuge part of that universe … > [@muldoonthief](#): > > And I have no idea why you’re referring to Herbie the Love Bug. My 10 year old self thought that movie was awesome. 5 year old me thought so too although I did wish my middle name wasn’t herbert for a few years … ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2022, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snow-white-and-other-questions/958385/79 "2022-02-07T13:08:54Z")
> [@nightshadea](#): > > 5 year old me thought so too although I did wish my middle name wasn’t herbert for a few years … [![](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/PQONBf9xMss/hqdefault.jpg "What does Herbert mean?") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQONBf9xMss) ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2022, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snow-white-and-other-questions/958385/80 "2022-02-07T13:26:46Z")
> [@nightshadea](#): > > Tho concerning the op …is he going to throw a fit if they ever make the dungeons and dragons dragon lance movie ? because dwarves are a huuuge part of that universe … I doubt it. The dwarfs in that universe are people. The dwarfs in snow white are sort of a joke. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snow-white-and-other-questions/958385.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snow-white-and-other-questions/958385.md?page=5)