# So admit it, are (still) sure Trump will not become the new president? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 23, 2016, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-admit-it-are-still-sure-trump-will-not-become-the-new-president/755445 "2016-05-23T07:07:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2016, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-admit-it-are-still-sure-trump-will-not-become-the-new-president/755445/241 "2016-05-26T05:27:22Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > I don’t know if it’s quite that simple. I believe power of all sorts corrupt. It’s hard to get more powerful than the us federal government. > > If you are investing over a long period of time, bear markets are wonderful purchasing opportunities. How many less shares could I have bought if the dip didn’t occur? I don’t care if the Dow stays low for the next 20 years. That’s more shares per dollar. Not so much for the small investor. If you’re an investment house, maybe. > [@](#): > > And it’s never income, aside from dividends of course, until you sell. So where it is today with or without a bear market in '08 is irrelevant to me. I care what is when I start to sell, if need be, around 2045. OK, _value_. It’s a similar concept to opportunity cost. > [@](#): > > Some people foolishly panic during a bear market. Fiscally rational people stick to their plan. I’m not rich but we can invest about $3.6k/month and each day I’m hoping that stocks stay on sale for a decade or so. > > All that aside, I am concerned that Trump signals he doesn’t understand the danger of damaging the creditworthiness of the federal government. That’s actually scary. Clinton, as corrupt and dishonest as she is, would probably be a good manager of the country. That said, I want judges who are further right than Clinton would nominate. The courts are the most important issue to me. Really? Is one judge worth taking the risk? There’s no evidence he has any clue fiscally whatsoever, and all kinds that he’s a fuckup. Or are you slavering for the repeal of Roe vs. Wade/gay marriage/ACA? ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2016, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-admit-it-are-still-sure-trump-will-not-become-the-new-president/755445/242 "2016-05-26T05:37:26Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > Not so much for the small investor. If you’re an investment house, maybe. > > OK, _value_. It’s a similar concept to opportunity cost. > > Really? Is one judge worth taking the risk? Or are you slavering for the repeal of Roe vs. Wade/gay marriage/ACA? Yes. Because I want stuff like freedom of the press in the form of Citizen’s United to stand. I don’t want a ban on rifles, pistols, or shotguns. I want proper enforcement of the borders or new law passed to reflect the reality that we don’t care about borders. I want legal consistency and predictability. I want the legislative process respected. I’m not religious and so I don’t have religious objections to gay marriage. I do have a problem with creative interpretations of law to further a political aim. I prefer conservative courts with the exception of a lack of action on civil forfeiture. If we can get that ruled unconstitutional during Obama’s term I’d vote for Clinton as a symbol of appreciation. Abortion is a tough one. It’s an exceedingly nasty procedure. And the fetus is human and I like to promote the sanctity of innocent life of certain species. But reality being what it is the unintended consequences of forcing women to carry to term may be a greater net evil. Abortion is a bit out of my comfort zone to have a decisive opinion about. ---
**Author:** ![Sputnikkk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Sputnikkk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sputnikkk)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2016, 8:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-admit-it-are-still-sure-trump-will-not-become-the-new-president/755445/243 "2016-05-26T08:12:41Z")
This is one of many things I’ve read that makes me worry that Trump could win the Bernie Sanders supporters to get the edge on Hillary. > [@](#): > > Trump hardly goes a day without saying or tweeting something in support of Bernie Sanders’ uphill battle to win the Democratic nomination. Trump is repeatedly calling the process rigged against Sanders and generally unfair. This move accomplishes two things. > > First, it keeps the heat on Clinton and potentially tires her out even more before she even gets a chance to solely focus on beating Trump. But secondly, and even more importantly, he’s throwing an important line out to Bernie’s supporters who are still very likely to be looking for another candidate in the coming months. > **[Why Donald Trump's poll numbers are surging right now](https://www.cnbc.com/2016/05/24/why-donald-trumps-poll-numbers-are-surging-right-now-commentary.html)** > > Donald Trump's poll numbers are surging because of three things he's doing right now, says Jake Novak. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2016, 10:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-admit-it-are-still-sure-trump-will-not-become-the-new-president/755445/244 "2016-05-26T10:22:43Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Trump becoming president won’t be the cause. It will be a significant change in the fundamentals of America. Now Trump may be a symptom but he’s not the cause. The cause, in my opinion, is a much deserved breakdown in trust of the corrupt political class Or maybe he would be both a symptom and a cause. True, Trump is a symptom of a corrupt economic and political system that tried to capitalize on scared and ignorant voters and ended up with a narcissistic billionaire as its spokesperson. On the other hand, all of the important decisions would now be in his hands. A person as egotistical and unqualified for public office as Trump would have serious, long-term consequences. Seeing Trump as nothing more than a system of American decline when he would be actively making decisions to hasten its downfall is willful ignorance. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2016, 10:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-admit-it-are-still-sure-trump-will-not-become-the-new-president/755445/245 "2016-05-26T10:29:24Z")
> [@Sputnikkk](#): > > This is one of many things I’ve read that makes me worry that Trump could win the Bernie Sanders supporters to get the edge on Hillary. > [Why Donald Trump's poll numbers are surging right now](http://www.cnbc.com/2016/05/24/why-donald-trumps-poll-numbers-are-surging-right-now-commentary.html) Bernie’s not just keeping Hillary on the hot seat; he’s keeping the entire democratic party engaged in a fierce and increasingly nasty debate about what to do with all of these Johnny-come-lately activists, who were probably independents before but now want to take over the party and push out those who’ve been engaged in trying to build coalitions and political strategies over the course of years and even decades. They’re not just after Hillary; they’re coming after Debbie Wasserman Schultz. Next they’ll be after Dianne Feinstein, Barbara Boxer, and anyone else who doesn’t support out of control protesters on college campuses and $15 or $18 or $21 an hour fast food workers. And does anyone think they’ll stop there if they can push out party officials? Does anyone think they won’t then be deluded into believing they can challenge Clinton and try to impose purity on the party? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2016, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-admit-it-are-still-sure-trump-will-not-become-the-new-president/755445/246 "2016-05-26T15:11:15Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > All that aside, I am concerned that Trump signals he doesn’t understand the danger of damaging the creditworthiness of the federal government. That’s actually scary. Clinton, as corrupt and dishonest as she is, would probably be a good manager of the country. That said, I want judges who are further right than Clinton would nominate. The courts are the most important issue to me. Glad you mentioned that because on that front the people have to realize that it has been a conservative court for decades; that it could become just a bit more liberal is only fair IMHO. But besides being unfair if the Republicans win we also have to remember that **the current Republicans** are not the reasonable Republicans of the recent past; they are not only reactionary and a good number of them are bigots, they are also champions of ignorance and here one has to realize the Republicans will be nominating to the SC another conservative that is made from the same insane mold. So, it should be worrisome what we are likely to get under a more conservative court: Down goes Roe v Wade to be replaced by medieval views on how to treat women rights, down goes the EPA thanks to the courts siding with the fossil fuel industry and Republicans in their pocket and then we lose almost a decade in dealing with our emissions issue and climate change; and generally we will see more creationism and anti vaccination shown in schools thanks to the kind of Trump followers many moderate Republicans are empowering in this election. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2016, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-admit-it-are-still-sure-trump-will-not-become-the-new-president/755445/247 "2016-05-26T15:45:25Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Only Sanders scares me. Be afraid. Be very afraid. Moderate Scandinavian-style social democracy shall **rule the world,** and subject you to its hellish reign of higher taxes, lower costs of living, and resilient social safety nets! BWAAH-HA-HAAA! ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2016, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-admit-it-are-still-sure-trump-will-not-become-the-new-president/755445/248 "2016-05-26T16:43:52Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Be afraid. Be very afraid. Moderate Scandinavian-style social democracy shall **rule the world,** and subject you to its hellish reign of higher taxes, lower costs of living, and resilient social safety nets! BWAAH-HA-HAAA! I thought there was a two click rule for posts like that. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2016, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-admit-it-are-still-sure-trump-will-not-become-the-new-president/755445/249 "2016-05-27T18:05:44Z")
As a reluctant Hillary supporter (I was strongly for O’Malley in the primaries), I have to admit I’m getting a little worried she won’t be able to win, even against The Donald. He would be a disaster as President. ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2016, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-admit-it-are-still-sure-trump-will-not-become-the-new-president/755445/250 "2016-05-27T18:49:00Z")
I have to keep pinching myself to make sure I’m not dreaming, in the grip of some hideous nightmare. Are there really that many lunatics out there to give Trump a shot at the Presidency? Or will America overwhelmingly tell this ludicrous man to crawl back under his rock? I guess we’ll know soon enough. Hillary, I never dreamed I’d be rooting for you. Please, please don’t commit any major gaffes before the election. Trump must not win. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2016, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-admit-it-are-still-sure-trump-will-not-become-the-new-president/755445/251 "2016-05-27T19:33:15Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > I have to keep pinching myself to make sure I’m not dreaming, in the grip of some hideous nightmare. Are there really that many lunatics out there to give Trump a shot at the Presidency? They don’t need to be lunatics, they only need to be dumbasses, and when did we have any shortage of those? ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2016, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-admit-it-are-still-sure-trump-will-not-become-the-new-president/755445/252 "2016-05-27T21:00:54Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > I have to keep pinching myself to make sure I’m not dreaming, in the grip of some hideous nightmare. Are there really that many lunatics out there to give Trump a shot at the Presidency? Or will America overwhelmingly tell this ludicrous man to crawl back under his rock? I guess we’ll know soon enough. > > Hillary, I never dreamed I’d be rooting for you. Please, please don’t commit any major gaffes before the election. Trump must not win. > **[Robert Reich: Donald Trump could really be our next president](https://www.salon.com/2016/05/25/robert_reich_donald_trump_could_really_be_our_next_president_partner/)** > > ABC has him \*leading\* Clinton 46-44. Polls this far out don't tell us much, but they do raise a serious question The stark reality is beginning to sink in. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2016, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-admit-it-are-still-sure-trump-will-not-become-the-new-president/755445/253 "2016-05-27T21:28:08Z")
Reich is as clueless about politics as he is about the housing bubble. If you believe him, it was all the banks’ fault. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2016, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-admit-it-are-still-sure-trump-will-not-become-the-new-president/755445/254 "2016-05-27T21:30:13Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Be afraid. Be very afraid. Moderate Scandinavian-style social democracy shall **rule the world,** and subject you to its hellish reign of higher taxes, lower costs of living, and resilient social safety nets! BWAAH-HA-HAAA! What is this, the 1970s? The welfare state has been in retreat there for quite some time. Sanders never got the memo. Anyway, at this point I wouldn’t be surprised if Gary Johnson won. Clinton is now doomed. Trump is also unelectable. The Democrats can still stop Clinton at the convention since she doesn’t have enough pledged delegates, but will they be smart enough to do it? Probably not. Oh well, if Trump wins you have only yourselves to blame. ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/do_not_taunt/32/2968_2.png) [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Do_Not_Taunt)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2016, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-admit-it-are-still-sure-trump-will-not-become-the-new-president/755445/255 "2016-05-27T21:34:24Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Anyway, at this point I wouldn’t be surprised if Gary Johnson won. Clinton is now doomed. Trump is also unelectable. The Democrats can still stop Clinton at the convention since she doesn’t have enough pledged delegates, but will they be smart enough to do it? Probably not. Is there an official adaher prediction in here? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2016, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-admit-it-are-still-sure-trump-will-not-become-the-new-president/755445/256 "2016-05-27T21:38:13Z")
No, if only because Trump is her opponent. But normally that IG report would end a candidacy. It still should, if the Democrats cared about things like honesty and transparency. ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/do_not_taunt/32/2968_2.png) [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Do_Not_Taunt)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2016, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-admit-it-are-still-sure-trump-will-not-become-the-new-president/755445/257 "2016-05-27T21:53:09Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > No, if only because Trump is her opponent. But normally that IG report would end a candidacy. It still should, if the Democrats cared about things like honesty and transparency. Aw, shucks, I thought you were gearing up for a “The next president will be someone other than Trump or Clinton” type prediction. And no, the IG report didn’t say anything we didn’t already know: Clinton showed, at worst, poor judgment, but that that was common for Secretaries of State in the early 2000s. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2016, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-admit-it-are-still-sure-trump-will-not-become-the-new-president/755445/258 "2016-05-27T21:56:15Z")
It also shows she lied multiple times. It was not for convenience, it was not approved, and contrary to her team’s hilarious talking points, all SecStates did not do it this way. She exclusively used a private server, which has never been done. And she did it to evade transparency laws. Trump cannot beat any Democrat alive, except for Clinton. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2016, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-admit-it-are-still-sure-trump-will-not-become-the-new-president/755445/259 "2016-05-27T22:13:07Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > No, if only because Trump is her opponent. But normally that IG report would end a candidacy. It still should, if the Democrats cared about things like honesty and transparency. No, it shouldn’t, because the alternative is so, so much more dishonest, and so much worse in every other way as well. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2016, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-admit-it-are-still-sure-trump-will-not-become-the-new-president/755445/260 "2016-05-27T22:14:10Z")
Since she has not actually clinched the nomination, “the alternatives” are all Democrats. And if the Republican nominee were someone normal, this race would now be over. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-admit-it-are-still-sure-trump-will-not-become-the-new-president/755445.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-admit-it-are-still-sure-trump-will-not-become-the-new-president/755445.md?page=14)