# So admit it, are (still) sure Trump will not become the new president? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 23, 2016, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-admit-it-are-still-sure-trump-will-not-become-the-new-president/755445 "2016-05-23T07:07:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-admit-it-are-still-sure-trump-will-not-become-the-new-president/755445/121 "2016-05-24T02:23:37Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > This is a real issue that Clinton supporters need to face. While Clinton has many qualities, she lacks charisma. And that’s a problem. Because while charisma doesn’t really matter all that much in being a President, it matters a lot in getting elected President. > > There are a lot of voters out there who approach voting for the President the same way they’d vote for Prom King. They base their decision on ridiculous things like who has better hair or who tells better jokes or who they’d rather have a beer with. Whelp, we’ve got what we’ve got. Truth be told, neither she nor Sanders has that kind of charisma, and that’s not going to change. But Hillary will be the nominee. I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say Hillary wins the Hair Vote. I’m not sure on the jokes thing, but I wouldn’t drink with Trump if he paid me. The ‘pig’ thing would rub off on me by association, and I wouldn’t be able to get a date with any of the female patrons. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-admit-it-are-still-sure-trump-will-not-become-the-new-president/755445/122 "2016-05-24T02:28:20Z")
Trump’s got something, but I’m not sure “charisma” is the right word. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-admit-it-are-still-sure-trump-will-not-become-the-new-president/755445/123 "2016-05-24T02:58:05Z")
He’s got the cult of celebrity and the “ooh, he’s a billionaire” thing going for him to appeal to the rubes. I’d agree that’s not charisma. ---
**Author:** ![truthSeeker2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7cd45c/32.png) [@truthSeeker2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/truthSeeker2)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-admit-it-are-still-sure-trump-will-not-become-the-new-president/755445/124 "2016-05-24T03:18:02Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Trump’s got something, but I’m not sure “charisma” is the right word. - Honesty and truthfulness - Good intentions - Smartness - Charisma ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-admit-it-are-still-sure-trump-will-not-become-the-new-president/755445/125 "2016-05-24T03:22:51Z")
I used to fear a Hillary presidency, and while I’m still concerned, I am absolutely terrified of the prospect of a Trump presidency. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-admit-it-are-still-sure-trump-will-not-become-the-new-president/755445/126 "2016-05-24T03:24:13Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > - Honesty and truthfulness > - Good intentions > - Smartness > - Charisma Item 1. Think Trump University where he defrauded so many people. Honesty, yep. Item 2. Good intentions? Ask the court of World opinion. That’s a resounding no. Item 3. Smartness? It was smart to alienate minorities, women, and others? Okay. Item 4. Charisma? About the same as a loud fart in a movie theater. Fortunately, Trump isn’t smart enough to make it to November without stepping on his nutsack a few dozen times. He’ll sink himself. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-admit-it-are-still-sure-trump-will-not-become-the-new-president/755445/127 "2016-05-24T03:26:43Z")
I’m not too worried, as I don’t see Trump being able to switch tactics well enough to go after the moderates. The one thing that gives me pause are the Sanders supporters who say they will stay home, and I just hope they would have stayed home anyways. (The ones saying they will vote for Trump I think are mostly saying so tactically.) But, yeah, he has to have a higher chance now than he did, just by being the official candidate. And he did get that bump. I try my best not to worry about it. I tell myself the same comforting things, but I’ve seen how he acts. If he can actually win the presidency, then he’s gonna keep doing the shit he’s been doing, since it worked. Maybe old Trump might not have been that scary, but this new one is. He’s shitty enough to do stuff like pardon people for not paying taxes, to get people to use his tax plan. He would be the type that would let the government shut down. And, yes, he uses so much bluster that he could wreck a lot of things for us internationally. At least Bush had the restraint of trying to seem like a good guy. ---
**Author:** ![truthSeeker2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7cd45c/32.png) [@truthSeeker2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/truthSeeker2)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-admit-it-are-still-sure-trump-will-not-become-the-new-president/755445/128 "2016-05-24T03:31:49Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > Item 1. Think Trump University where he defrauded so many people. Honesty, yep. > Item 2. Good intentions? Ask the court of World opinion. That’s a resounding no. > Item 3. Smartness? It was smart to alienate minorities, women, and others? Okay. > Item 4. Charisma? About the same as a loud fart in a movie theater. > > Fortunately, Trump isn’t smart enough to make it to November without stepping on his nutsack a few dozen times. He’ll sink himself. Disagree with the entire post obviously. But he will lose easily to Hillary anyways. She is far ahead. People will see the real picture emerge when she is even more ahead in polls when Bernie is out. Trump has very little chance. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-admit-it-are-still-sure-trump-will-not-become-the-new-president/755445/129 "2016-05-24T03:53:46Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > Item 1. Think Trump University where he defrauded so many people. Honesty, yep. > Item 2. Good intentions? Ask the court of World opinion. That’s a resounding no. > Item 3. Smartness? It was smart to alienate minorities, women, and others? Okay. > Item 4. Charisma? About the same as a loud fart in a movie theater. > > Fortunately, Trump isn’t smart enough to make it to November without stepping on his nutsack a few dozen times. He’ll sink himself. Just because you dislike a person does not mean they are not charismatic. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-admit-it-are-still-sure-trump-will-not-become-the-new-president/755445/130 "2016-05-24T04:16:51Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > Fortunately, Trump isn’t smart enough to make it to November without stepping on his nutsack a few dozen times. He’ll sink himself. How many times have people said that over the past year or so? I don’t think ANYTHING could stop him, short of his own death (and no, I don’t want that to happen either). ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-admit-it-are-still-sure-trump-will-not-become-the-new-president/755445/131 "2016-05-24T06:06:19Z")
NM. Double post ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-admit-it-are-still-sure-trump-will-not-become-the-new-president/755445/132 "2016-05-24T06:07:21Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > Fortunately, Trump isn’t smart enough to make it to November without stepping on his nutsack a few dozen times. He’ll sink himself. > > > [@nearwildheaven](#): > > > > How many times have people said that over the past year or so? I don’t think ANYTHING could stop him, short of his own death (and no, I don’t want that to happen either). The more Trump steps on his figurative nuts, the more his fans adore him for it. And the more the media will give Mr. Trump free air time. I think the Lefts biggest mistake is that they think they can make rational arguments to Trump fans as to why Trump would be a bad President. The don’t give two shits about rationality, they realize that a nuclear option has been made available to them, and by god, they will use that option come November 1st. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-admit-it-are-still-sure-trump-will-not-become-the-new-president/755445/133 "2016-05-24T07:07:04Z")
> [@Grrr](#): > > The more Trump steps on his figurative nuts, the more his fans adore him for it. And the more the media will give Mr. Trump free air time. > > I think the Lefts biggest mistake is that they think they can make rational arguments to Trump fans as to why Trump would be a bad President. The don’t give two shits about rationality, they realize that a nuclear option has been made available to them, and by god, they will use that option come **November 1st.** From your keyboard to the World Events Control Software. They show up on November 1st to exercise their nuclear option. Then the rest of us will show up a week later, on Election Day, and elect Hillary. ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 7:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-admit-it-are-still-sure-trump-will-not-become-the-new-president/755445/134 "2016-05-24T07:11:35Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > From your keyboard to the World Events Control Software. They show up on November 1st to exercise their nuclear option. > > Then the rest of us will show up a week later, on Election Day, and elect Hillary. My bad. I was looking at my calendar wrong. Point still stands. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 8:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-admit-it-are-still-sure-trump-will-not-become-the-new-president/755445/135 "2016-05-24T08:24:43Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > … I dont know. Finally, a correct statement from you. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 10:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-admit-it-are-still-sure-trump-will-not-become-the-new-president/755445/136 "2016-05-24T10:20:57Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Trump’s got something, but I’m not sure “charisma” is the right word. He’s been a reality star for longer than we’ve had the term “reality star”. He was a reality star back when the internet barely existed and cable tv was still province of Wayne’s World and Australian Rules Football. You don’t see anyone giving Sheldon Adelson or Richard Mellon Scaife their own tv shows. Charisma is why everyone overlooks the lies, the viciousness, and the ignorance. They don’t matter to his supporters, who are blinded by his glamour. Donald has got nothing _but_ charisma, really. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 10:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-admit-it-are-still-sure-trump-will-not-become-the-new-president/755445/137 "2016-05-24T10:27:32Z")
He’s the personification of the Citizen Kane figure. Hopefully, he’ll crash just as hard as Kane did in his election in the film. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 11:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-admit-it-are-still-sure-trump-will-not-become-the-new-president/755445/138 "2016-05-24T11:31:13Z")
> [@Grrr](#): > > The more Trump steps on his figurative nuts, the more his fans adore him for it. And the more the media will give Mr. Trump free air time. > > I think the Lefts biggest mistake is that they think they can make rational arguments to Trump fans as to why Trump would be a bad President. The don’t give two shits about rationality, they realize that a nuclear option has been made available to them, and by god, they will use that option come November 1st. They also assume that the average person in this country will see that Trump is unqualified and unfit to be commander in chief and that Hillary’s resume will impress. It’s true that the republican field was rather weak, but Trump did beat a couple of impressive resumes in Jeb Bush, John Kasich, and to a lesser degree, Chris Christie. Hillary is not at all a safe bet to win. Which is why she may have to go a little harder to the left in this campaign than I would have envisioned initially. She needs a breakout choice for her vice president, either Elizabeth Warren, Al Franken, or someone of that magnitude. I would have said Bernie Sanders but he’s going off his chain as of late. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 11:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-admit-it-are-still-sure-trump-will-not-become-the-new-president/755445/139 "2016-05-24T11:44:05Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > It’s true that the republican field was rather weak, but Trump did beat a couple of impressive resumes in Jeb Bush, John Kasich, and to a lesser degree, Chris Christie. Wasn’t this supposed to be the Year of the Deep Bench their partisans kept crowing about? Now they’re all just a bunch of schlubs who couldn’t even beat Trump. His chances, even against the Dem advantage in the EC, are far from zero, as long as the fear and hate he’s whipped up can continue. Clinton is still a strong favorite but not a lock. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-admit-it-are-still-sure-trump-will-not-become-the-new-president/755445/140 "2016-05-24T12:34:22Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Wasn’t this supposed to be the Year of the Deep Bench their partisans kept crowing about? Now they’re all just a bunch of schlubs who couldn’t even beat Trump. > > His chances, even against the Dem advantage in the EC, are far from zero, as long as the fear and hate he’s whipped up can continue. Clinton is still a strong favorite but not a lock. The republicans touted themselves as having a deep bench, which really meant a stack of candidates committed to uncompromising legislative obstructionism until they achieve complete control of the government. In reality, they were far from a deep bench. And in the end, only one can emerge the victor, whether it’s a field of 22 or just 2. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-admit-it-are-still-sure-trump-will-not-become-the-new-president/755445.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-admit-it-are-still-sure-trump-will-not-become-the-new-president/755445.md?page=8)