# So admit it, are (still) sure Trump will not become the new president? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 23, 2016, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-admit-it-are-still-sure-trump-will-not-become-the-new-president/755445 "2016-05-23T07:07:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-admit-it-are-still-sure-trump-will-not-become-the-new-president/755445/161 "2016-05-24T18:04:33Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > No, but these types of racist characterizations of Second Amendment proponents by Second Amendment opponents do make a difference. They drive people away from the left faster than a full grown tranny in the little girls room. The contrast of your second sentence to your first is the dictionary definition of “cognitive dissonance,” ---
**Author:** ![Hank\_Beecher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hank_beecher/32/7275_2.png) [@Hank\_Beecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hank_Beecher)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-admit-it-are-still-sure-trump-will-not-become-the-new-president/755445/162 "2016-05-24T18:04:50Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > . . . are entirely fair, by and large. The same white people who tote rifles in public would scream for the cops if they saw a black doing the same – we may hope; they might do something worse. That’s not true and you know it. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-admit-it-are-still-sure-trump-will-not-become-the-new-president/755445/163 "2016-05-24T19:57:59Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > You are wrong. The sort of people that would OC a rifle (that’s pretty far out on the extreme gun-rights supporter side of the spectrum) would be very unlikely to complain about anyone carrying a gun. Unless the guy with a gun is black. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-admit-it-are-still-sure-trump-will-not-become-the-new-president/755445/164 "2016-05-24T20:20:33Z")
Remember the black dude at the Tea Party rally who was carrying? Was covered by the news pretty extensively, although for some reason I can’t imagine they seemed to go out of their way to not show the actual guy, only his gun. Would’ve screwed up the narrative I guess. Also means they couldn’t find a white guy carrying that day. If they had found a white guy, not only would we have seen his face, but he’d also have been asked about Obama’s birth certificate. ---
**Author:** ![Hank\_Beecher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hank_beecher/32/7275_2.png) [@Hank\_Beecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hank_Beecher)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-admit-it-are-still-sure-trump-will-not-become-the-new-president/755445/165 "2016-05-24T21:22:19Z")
Interestingly, the only incident I have seen of any non-police carrying guns at any presidential rally was a black Bernie supporter in a group protesting Trump. When the video was posted on Reddit the Trump supporters responded by saying that the guy had wacky political views, but good for him for protecting himself by exercising his right to open carry. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-admit-it-are-still-sure-trump-will-not-become-the-new-president/755445/166 "2016-05-24T21:41:51Z")
> [@Enola\_Gay](#): > > QFT. As Trump said himself, he’d have to shoot someone on Fifth Avenue for his fans to turn against him. But I think they’d even rally behind him if he shot someone–they’d tout him as a Second Amendment champion. > > The biggest problem on the left, as I see it, is that they keep underestimating him. But he doesn’t have anywhere near enough fans to win. You don’t need to turn his fans against him at all. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-admit-it-are-still-sure-trump-will-not-become-the-new-president/755445/167 "2016-05-24T21:45:13Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > But he doesn’t have anywhere near enough fans to win. You don’t need to turn his fans against him at all. This. We keep forgetting, Trump’s talent for appealing to people, while vast, is far overshadowed by his talent for alienating people. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-admit-it-are-still-sure-trump-will-not-become-the-new-president/755445/168 "2016-05-24T22:08:01Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > That’s not true and you know it. That’ll earn you a warning under the ‘liar’ rule, Hank. That construction is specifically mentioned in the sticky. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-admit-it-are-still-sure-trump-will-not-become-the-new-president/755445/169 "2016-05-24T22:19:22Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > Unless the guy with a gun is black. You’re wrong too. The incident adaher cited was exactly what I thought of. > [@adaher](#): > > Remember the black dude at the Tea Party rally who was carrying? Was covered by the news pretty extensively, although for some reason I can’t imagine they seemed to go out of their way to not show the actual guy, only his gun. Would’ve screwed up the narrative I guess. Also means they couldn’t find a white guy carrying that day. If they had found a white guy, not only would we have seen his face, but he’d also have been asked about Obama’s birth certificate. [Man carries assault rifle to Obama protest -- and it's legal - CNN.com](http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/08/17/obama.protest.rifle/) is a story about the incident. Who do you think was more upset by his rifle? His fellow OCers or the anti-gun liberals at the town hall? [See here for the answer](http://www.nbcnews.com/id/32457652/ns/politics-white_house/t/man-assault-rifle-attends-obama-protest/#.V0TSAfkrJGo) (I’d give a hint, but I don’t think you really need one). Oh, and [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYKQJ4-N7LI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYKQJ4-N7LI) is the video where MSNBC went to great pains to hide the race of the man with the rifle (and blustered on about race like idiots). ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-admit-it-are-still-sure-trump-will-not-become-the-new-president/755445/170 "2016-05-24T22:38:58Z")
> [@glee](#): > > Just a couple?! > I live in the UK and so Trump’s lie about London mattered particularly. > Note that the London police and both our major political parties all condemned Trump’s lie. To be fair, he probably meant Luton - the UK’s Taliban Central - and the airport is marketed as ‘London Luton’. 🙂 And he’d still be wrong. But seriously, it amazes me that the Republicans can have chosen Trump. As for Clinton, I suppose it’s ‘her turn’. ---
**Author:** ![Hank\_Beecher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hank_beecher/32/7275_2.png) [@Hank\_Beecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hank_Beecher)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-admit-it-are-still-sure-trump-will-not-become-the-new-president/755445/171 "2016-05-24T23:24:02Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > That’ll earn you a warning under the ‘liar’ rule, Hank. That construction is specifically mentioned in the sticky. Um, dude, that is was Brain Glutton said too me and when I responded that he was making it up \*I \*am the one who got the warning. In fact, he has said that to me over and over, and when I report it nothing happens. It is clear that your warning are reserved, Stormfront style, for those arguing against the sacred positions of the board. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=19275775#post19275775](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=19275775#post19275775) ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-admit-it-are-still-sure-trump-will-not-become-the-new-president/755445/172 "2016-05-24T23:37:11Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > You’re wrong too. The incident adaher cited was exactly what I thought of. Wow, so you found one incident of a black guy with a gun that wasn’t shot dead on sight by the cops. Racism is over! Party at Ditka’s house! ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-admit-it-are-still-sure-trump-will-not-become-the-new-president/755445/173 "2016-05-24T23:40:35Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > Wow, so you found one incident of a black guy with a gun that wasn’t shot dead on sight by the cops. Racism is over! Party at Ditka’s house! Cops weren’t the subject of Brainglutton’s asinine claim. > [@BrainGlutton](#): > > The same white people who tote rifles in public would scream for the cops if they saw a black doing the same – we may hope; they might do something worse. His claim is that white people who OC would scream for the cops if they saw a black person OCing. Because racism. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2016, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-admit-it-are-still-sure-trump-will-not-become-the-new-president/755445/174 "2016-05-25T00:47:43Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > No, but these types of racist characterizations of Second Amendment proponents by Second Amendment opponents do make a difference. They drive people away from the left faster than a full grown tranny in the little girls room. After discussion, this is earning a warning as well for hate speech. ---
**Author:** ![john\_b\_2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a9a28c/32.png) [@john\_b\_2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/john_b_2)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2016, 6:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-admit-it-are-still-sure-trump-will-not-become-the-new-president/755445/175 "2016-05-25T06:42:01Z")
> [@Enola\_Gay](#): > > QFT. As Trump said himself, he’d have to shoot someone on Fifth Avenue for his fans to turn against him. But I think they’d even rally behind him if he shot someone–they’d tout him as a Second Amendment champion. > > The biggest problem on the left, as I see it, is that they keep underestimating him. Yes, truly so. Trump is in the processing of stealing the base of the Democratic party–low income white Americans–away from them, while Hillary is p!ssing off that same base _and_ recruiting only minorities, or so it seems, while alienating the young and not so young Left that Bernie has a lock on. Quite frankly, if current trends persist, I think that the election is Trump’s to lose. The intense dislike of Hillary among large segments of voters is, while not so strong as those who fear and despise Trump, surprisingly large, and it ain’t shrinking. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2016, 8:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-admit-it-are-still-sure-trump-will-not-become-the-new-president/755445/176 "2016-05-25T08:20:43Z")
> [@john\_b\_2](#): > > The intense dislike of Hillary among large segments of voters is, while not so strong as those who fear and despise Trump, surprisingly large, and it ain’t shrinking. True, but as in the famous example of the two people being chased by a bear Clinton only has to run faster than the other guy. And Trump’s “strongly unfavorable” ratings, which are _over 50%_, aren’t exactly shrinking either. ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2016, 9:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-admit-it-are-still-sure-trump-will-not-become-the-new-president/755445/177 "2016-05-25T09:33:36Z")
Yes I’m worried. Clinton may be a competent administrator but she’s just not inspiring and she represents the status quo at a time when it seems very evident that the electorate does not want the status quo. So far nothing seems to stick to Trump, attacks on him just seem to make him more popular because he can portray it as “the establishment” trying to tear him down. Clinton can’t play that card so when more scandals on her spring up as they surely will before November it hurts her and she has no real good options to fight back with. Her best option would be to completely ignore Trump, pretend he doesn’t exist and just run a positive campaign trying to sell the US on her vision. The problem is, does she have any? ---
**Author:** ![GunnarFranz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/da6949/32.png) [@GunnarFranz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GunnarFranz)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2016, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-admit-it-are-still-sure-trump-will-not-become-the-new-president/755445/178 "2016-05-25T12:14:48Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > People keep thinking that when I want the Republican Party gone it means that I don’t want more than one party. This is not the case. I want a second party, but it would be better for it to be to the left of the Democrats. The Democrats are PLENTY right of center. The radically reactionary views of the Republicans need to be pushed to the fringe, where they can’t have any power. There are plenty of moderate Republicans who can be considered socially liberal but prefer small gov’t in terms of spending and influence. The definition of party lines blur over time, ideally the Republican party would just adapt, but that hasn’t been the case of late. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2016, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-admit-it-are-still-sure-trump-will-not-become-the-new-president/755445/179 "2016-05-25T13:56:03Z")
> [@john\_b\_2](#): > > Yes, truly so. Trump is in the processing of stealing the base of the Democratic party–low income white Americans–away from them . . . . . . while pissing off everybody **else.** Low-income whites might have been numerous enough to form a “Silent Majority” in Nixon’s day, but they are a minority now. He can’t win with them alone. And even among low-income whites he’ll piss off a lot of the women. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2016, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-admit-it-are-still-sure-trump-will-not-become-the-new-president/755445/180 "2016-05-25T13:58:56Z")
Those mythical moderate socially liberal Republicans never seem to show up when Republican states are trying to outlaw abortion and peek in everyone’s underwear. And by “small government”, they mean gutting the the 1st amendment so that they can impose their religious preferences on the rest of us. Oh, and cutting school lunches. Small government republicans hate feeding children. I guess on balance, I’m glad there’s so few of them around any more. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-admit-it-are-still-sure-trump-will-not-become-the-new-president/755445.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-admit-it-are-still-sure-trump-will-not-become-the-new-president/755445.md?page=10)