# So apparently #Calexit is trending **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 9, 2016, 7:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-calexit-is-trending/771147 "2016-11-09T07:03:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-calexit-is-trending/771147/41 "2016-11-10T17:38:56Z")
> [@The\_Understander](#): > > These fuckers will be calling ourselves the Free State of Illinois, if you please. You mean the free city of parts of Chicago. And the 10th amendment is a dead amendment. What legal authority do states have to secede? ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-calexit-is-trending/771147/42 "2016-11-10T17:52:04Z")
Well a big part of the problem nowadays is the immense disparity in electoral votes and senators between the small states and the big ones. North and South Dakota and Wyoming each have 500-600,000 people, 2 senators and 3 electoral votes. Meanwhile California has nearly 39 million people, almost 23 times the number of people in those 3 states combined, yet has the same 2 senators and 55 electoral votes. 38.8 million people, 55 electoral votes = 1 per 705,000 people. 1.7 million people in 3 states, 9 electoral votes = 1 per 189,000 people. But of course, there’s absolutely no chance anyone is going to agree to change the makeup of the Senate and their distribution. We might have better luck abolishing the Electoral College (which would still require an Amendment), but after winning two elections while losing the popular vote (2004 and 2016), I doubt very much that the Republicans would be too keen on this. Another option is breaking up California, which has been proposed on several occasions. But it is still unlikely to split into more than 3 states. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-calexit-is-trending/771147/43 "2016-11-10T18:48:43Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > California could function very well without the US. We’d make a fortune leasing the Naval bases to King Trump, and that’d offset any Federal funding losses. They don’t want to pay our price, then they can park their ships in Arizona. Or Seattle, or Hawaii. You do realize you’re not our only access to the Pacific, right? ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-calexit-is-trending/771147/44 "2016-11-10T19:12:14Z")
Since we’re spit balling and we have a new president that might just go with this idea. The US could use strategic nukes along the San Andreas fault, let California set sail, creating a whole new coastline. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-calexit-is-trending/771147/45 "2016-11-10T19:31:01Z")
I don’t personally remember that time when part of the nation decided to secede after a big Republican presidential win, but I hear that it didn’t turn out well. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-calexit-is-trending/771147/46 "2016-11-10T19:56:12Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Or Seattle, or Hawaii. You do realize you’re not our only access to the Pacific, right? If California goes, odds are that Hawaii, Oregon, Washington, and Nevada would join us. 🆒 > [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > I don’t personally remember that time when part of the nation decided to secede after a big Republican presidential win, but I hear that it didn’t turn out well. We don’t have to secede, we just get Congress to kick us out. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![NetTrekker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nettrekker/32/2909_2.png) [@NetTrekker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NetTrekker)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-calexit-is-trending/771147/47 "2016-11-10T23:24:06Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > If California goes, odds are that Hawaii, Oregon, Washington, and Nevada would join us. 🆒 > > We don’t have to secede, we just get Congress to kick us out. 😛 Good point about Hawaii et al. Calexit Q&A: > **[Yes\_California\_Calexit\_Book.pdf](https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/yescalifornia/pages/1/attachments/original/1475330254/Yes_California_Calexit_Book.pdf?1475330254)** > > 2.16 MB ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-calexit-is-trending/771147/48 "2016-11-10T23:39:20Z")
> [@NetTrekker](#): > > Good point about Hawaii et al. > > Calexit Q&A: > > [https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/yescalifornia/pages/1/attachments/original/1475330254/Yes\_California\_Calexit\_Book.pdf?1475330254](https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/yescalifornia/pages/1/attachments/original/1475330254/Yes_California_Calexit_Book.pdf?1475330254) LOL > [@](#): > > … California’s infrastructure is falling apart, our public schools are ranked among the worst in the entire country, we have the highest number of homeless persons living without shelter and other basic necessities, poverty rates remain high, income inequality continues to expand, and we must often borrow money from the future to provide services for today … Good riddance! ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-calexit-is-trending/771147/49 "2016-11-10T23:52:56Z")
> [@](#): > > we have the highest number of homeless persons living without shelter and other basic necessities, If you’re gonna be homeless, where better than sunny California? California ain’t going anywhere. I’ll handle it. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![Anny\_Middon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bc79bd/32.png) [@Anny\_Middon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anny_Middon)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-calexit-is-trending/771147/50 "2016-11-11T00:04:04Z")
Actually, I’ve thinking about this. My assumption was that it would California, Oregon, Washington and maybe Nevada as a block. I was wondering if Northern Illinois might be able to join them, or if it would be prudent to buy some cheap house in western Oregon (on assumption that housing process would be low there). But, so what if the Constitution says a state can’t secede? Suppose the west coast states (plus maybe Nevada) say, “We don’t care. We’ve had it – we’re out of here.” What happens then? The army invades? I was out Tuesday evening with friends. The election results weren’t all in yet, but it looked dire. One in our party said, “You know, we liberals have 2nd amendment rights, too.” A friend of my husband tried to convince me years ago that I should get a shotgun since husband travels a lot for work. For the first time I found myself seriously considering it. ---
**Author:** ![Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omg_a_Black_Conservative)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-calexit-is-trending/771147/51 "2016-11-11T00:13:11Z")
Peace out, Cali. Good luck getting the water you need. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-calexit-is-trending/771147/52 "2016-11-11T00:17:31Z")
> [@GulfTiger](#): > > I have long supported a Constitutional Amendment setting forth a peaceful secession process. > > The EU has one, why can the US? In 1861 I argued vociferously on telegraph message boards against doing anything to prevent the CSA from seceding. Time has shown that I was right. > [@The\_Understander](#): > > These fuckers will be calling ourselves the Free State of Illinois, if you please. That’s the Free State of Northern Illinois. Downstate went for Trump. Then we can, along with Minnesota and parts of Wisconsin, petition to be absorbed by Ontario, though Ottawa, IL may need to change its name since it’s about as populous as its namsake. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Salvor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Salvor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Salvor)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-calexit-is-trending/771147/53 "2016-11-11T00:28:27Z")
> [@NetTrekker](#): > > The problem is the blue states are geographically separated by the sea of red. That really is a pity. I’d imagine combining all of the left coast would be more feasible, and we could get water from up north with the greatest water distribution system ever built that would ensure California had enough water to plant to ever higher limits. Not that I am thinking any of this through with increased seriousness… not at all, I WELCOME being a citizen of Trump nation… ---
**Author:** ![Salvor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Salvor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Salvor)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-calexit-is-trending/771147/54 "2016-11-11T00:32:12Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Or Seattle, or Hawaii. You do realize you’re not our only access to the Pacific, right? I forgot about Hawaii, we’ll take that too, they’re nice and blue. California, Oregon, Washington State, Hawaii… We’ll leave Trumpland Alaska for pacific ocean access. It’s got GREAT ports, and is still part of the US until Trump makes a “deal” and gives it to Russia. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-calexit-is-trending/771147/55 "2016-11-11T00:36:10Z")
Northern Illinois has plenty of water with, despite the pleas of California, no way of sharing it that does not involve teleportation. Sucks to be them. Shouldn’t’ve tried to make a desert bloom. Here, we need vast amounts of plumbing to make it dry enough to plow. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-calexit-is-trending/771147/56 "2016-11-11T00:36:17Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > Peace out, Cali. Good luck getting the water you need. Three words for ya, babe: De Salin Ization. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-calexit-is-trending/771147/57 "2016-11-11T00:42:50Z")
> [@Anny\_Middon](#): > > My assumption was that it would California, Oregon, Washington and maybe Nevada as a block. That may be your assumption, but it doesn’t appear to be one shared by the #CalExit movement. They’re talking about a ballot measure in 2018 in California, but not Oregon, Washington, or Hawaii. ---
**Author:** ![Salvor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Salvor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Salvor)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-calexit-is-trending/771147/58 "2016-11-11T00:44:13Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > Peace out, Cali. Good luck getting the water you need. We’ve got far more water than black conservatives, and with enough energy we can get as much as we want from the oceans. Maybe that can be used to build a new foundation of salt brine to build cities upon with the rise in sea level from the emissions from Trumpland. I can see the future of an independent California now. [http://thefabweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/City\_of\_Coreing\_by\_Rahakasvi-610x334.jpg](http://thefabweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/City_of_Coreing_by_Rahakasvi-610x334.jpg) We have the elites pulling revenue from all over the world, universal basic income raising the incomes of the people on the bottom, more prosperous society overall. ---
**Author:** ![Salvor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Salvor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Salvor)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-calexit-is-trending/771147/59 "2016-11-11T00:45:31Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > That may be your assumption, but it doesn’t appear to be one shared by the #CalExit movement. They’re talking about a ballot measure in 2018 in California, but not Oregon, Washington, or Hawaii. I now dub the new movement… #PacificRexit from pacific rim… get it? ---
**Author:** ![Pearl\_Clutching\_Provocateur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Pearl\_Clutching\_Provocateur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pearl_Clutching_Provocateur)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-calexit-is-trending/771147/60 "2016-11-11T00:45:42Z")
> [@CaptMurdock](#): > > Three words for ya, babe: > > De > > Salin > > Ization. > 😃 I live in California and people are fighting desalinization plants and insist on conservation only. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-calexit-is-trending/771147.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-calexit-is-trending/771147.md?page=4)