# So apparently #Calexit is trending **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 9, 2016, 7:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-calexit-is-trending/771147 "2016-11-09T07:03:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Salvor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Salvor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Salvor)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-calexit-is-trending/771147/61 "2016-11-11T00:49:26Z")
> [@Pearl\_Clutching\_Provocateur](#): > > I live in California and people are fighting desalinization plants and insist on conservation only. Those are the HUMAN hating environmentalists I rail against. They want to see human beings diminished and fewer of them in the world because they find them to be cancerous. This does beg a more general question… once we no longer have to deal with conservatives in trumpland… will we be at each others throats instead as liberals? We do have conservatives too but they have been domesticated and made mostly inert. I can imagine vicious fights with pc police and campus social justice warriors from my position as what I consider a true liberal liberal, and the same goes for my more moderate stance on environmental issues and building. I want to see a modern cityscape built atop the entire Bay Area and other places. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-calexit-is-trending/771147/62 "2016-11-11T00:53:22Z")
> [@CaptMurdock](#): > > Three words for ya, babe: > > De > > Salin > > Ization. > 😃 And that would require the building of massive amounts of power plants which would run on what? Coal? Oil? Nuclear? You plan on building those plants in CA? Oh, and good luck defending yourselves from the Union army. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-calexit-is-trending/771147/63 "2016-11-11T01:03:56Z")
> [@Salvor](#): > > We have the elites pulling revenue from all over the world, universal basic income raising the incomes of the people on the bottom, more prosperous society overall. Why haven’t you already done this? ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-calexit-is-trending/771147/64 "2016-11-11T01:07:50Z")
The Trumpfederacy will beg California to buy its water after their economy collapses and that’s all they have left to sell. Don’t worry, we’ll pay a mostly fairish price. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-calexit-is-trending/771147/65 "2016-11-11T01:09:06Z")
> [@Salvor](#): > > I now dub the new movement… > > #PacificRexit > > from pacific rim… get it? As the leader of a new movement, how much investigation have you done into ballot initiative laws in HI, OR, WA, and NV ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-calexit-is-trending/771147/66 "2016-11-11T01:14:44Z")
> [@Pearl\_Clutching\_Provocateur](#): > > I live in California and people are fighting desalinization plants and insist on conservation only. I live in California too. The corner would turn on fighting desalinization once people realize they’d need it to water their crops. OTOH, what’s Trump going to do? Shut off the Colorado River? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-calexit-is-trending/771147/67 "2016-11-11T01:16:32Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > And that would require the building of massive amounts of power plants which would run on what? Coal? Oil? Nuclear? You plan on building those plants in CA? Oh, and good luck defending yourselves from the Union army. Good luck paying the Union Army when your economy collapses on its own…even without some accident like the Culpepper Switch suddenly crashing…just sayin’ 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Twoflower](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/twoflower/32/22_2.png) [@Twoflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Twoflower)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-calexit-is-trending/771147/68 "2016-11-11T01:48:48Z")
California will do just fine on its own if it comes to that. And we have plenty of water, and the aqueducts to move it around. There might be a bit of fuss over our share of the Colorado River, but we don’t import any water from out of state as it is. Not that I think Calexit is an actual good idea. Balkanization of North America would leave Russia and China as the major world powers. I can’t see that as a good thing. ---
**Author:** ![Salvor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Salvor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Salvor)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-calexit-is-trending/771147/69 "2016-11-11T03:02:07Z")
> [@Twoflower](#): > > California will do just fine on its own if it comes to that. And we have plenty of water, and the aqueducts to move it around. There might be a bit of fuss over our share of the Colorado River, but we don’t import any water from out of state as it is. > > Not that I think Calexit is an actual good idea. Balkanization of North America would leave Russia and China as the major world powers. I can’t see that as a good thing. I agree, this is fun to think about as some fantasy idea, but California leaving the US would drastically weaken the nation as a whole, even if California thrived. They are better with us there, and we get some benefits too. The road trip to vegas reminds us all how ugly joshua trees are and helps us appreciate the trees we have in the cities. Putin and Assange wanted Trump to win because he thinks Trump would be less hostile to russian actions, and Assange thinks Trump will shrink Americas role in the world, which to a US hating anarchist is a good thing. I still think of the US as a benign Hegemon, that will miss us when and if we are ever gone. Still a great read, it’s like the bible of neocons, even former quasi neocons like myself. > **[David's Friend Goliath](https://foreignpolicy.com/2009/10/19/davids-friend-goliath/)** > > The rest of the world complains that American hegemony is reckless, arrogant, and insensitive. Just don't expect them to do anything about it. The world's… ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-calexit-is-trending/771147/70 "2016-11-11T04:19:45Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > Agreed. So California, Oregon, Washington state and the northeast states – New York and the New England states – should all secede and join up with Canada to form the new United States. The rest of the fuckers can argue amongst themselves whether they want to be called Trumpland or Jesusland. You misunderstand. We stay 50 states together, and we stay strong. ---
**Author:** ![Pearl\_Clutching\_Provocateur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Pearl\_Clutching\_Provocateur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pearl_Clutching_Provocateur)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-calexit-is-trending/771147/71 "2016-11-11T04:38:46Z")
> [@CaptMurdock](#): > > I live in California too. The corner would turn on fighting desalinization once people realize they’d need it to water their crops. > > OTOH, what’s Trump going to do? Shut off the Colorado River? :dubious: Trump can be like Obama. Since the river runs between states, just like the XL pipeline, it’s under federal jurisdiction. He’ll come up with phony environmental reason and dam it up. You know, to save a fish that doesn’t exist or something. :p:p:p ---
**Author:** ![NetTrekker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nettrekker/32/2909_2.png) [@NetTrekker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NetTrekker)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-calexit-is-trending/771147/72 "2016-11-11T22:41:51Z")
> [@Salvor](#): > > I forgot about Hawaii, we’ll take that too, they’re nice and blue. > California, Oregon, Washington State, Hawaii… > > We’ll leave Trumpland Alaska for pacific ocean access. It’s got GREAT ports, and is still part of the US until Trump makes a “deal” and gives it to Russia. Oregon is on coming on board with their own Secession Act [http://oregonvotes.org/irr/2018/009text.pdf](http://oregonvotes.org/irr/2018/009text.pdf) ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-calexit-is-trending/771147/73 "2016-11-11T23:33:00Z")
> [@NetTrekker](#): > > Oregon is on coming on board with their own Secession Act > > [http://oregonvotes.org/irr/2018/009text.pdf](http://oregonvotes.org/irr/2018/009text.pdf) Any idea what they mean by “The Constitution should require nonpartisan elections and forbid privileged ballot or electoral access based on affiliation with a private organization or political party.”? Are they complaining about Democrats’ super delegates? Are the Bernie Bros pushing this (ETA: I only ask because I notice the word “equality” sprinkled throughout the document)? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-calexit-is-trending/771147/74 "2016-11-11T23:34:40Z")
Also, Oregon, it’s a long ways to go, and it’ll be hard to see this through to the end, but know that this Utahn is rooting for you. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2016, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-calexit-is-trending/771147/75 "2016-11-12T00:15:11Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Any idea what they mean by “The Constitution should require nonpartisan elections and forbid privileged ballot or electoral access based on affiliation with a private organization or political party.”? > > Are they complaining about Democrats’ super delegates? Are the Bernie Bros pushing this (ETA: I only ask because I notice the word “equality” sprinkled throughout the document)? I’d guess it’s a reference to the open primaries they have in Oregon (and California now) in all races except presidential ones. The top two vote-getters in the primary election face each other in the general election, without respect to party. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2016, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-calexit-is-trending/771147/76 "2016-11-12T00:31:12Z")
You smug PNW assholes had better stay in the US because we need your electoral votes. Nobody is seceding. Nobody is moving to Canada. MOVE TO TEXAS. It’s nicer than it seems, and much more affordable. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2016, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-calexit-is-trending/771147/77 "2016-11-12T00:45:12Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > Nobody is seceding. Nobody is moving to Canada. MOVE TO TEXAS. It’s nicer than it seems, and much more affordable. That’s actually a much more realistic plan to effect change. If a million Californian Democrats moved to Texas, not only would California easily remain Democratic, but Democrats would have a healthy margin in Texas as well. Call it reverse gerrymandering. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2016, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-calexit-is-trending/771147/78 "2016-11-12T04:19:43Z")
> [@CaptMurdock](#): > > Good luck paying the Union Army when your economy collapses on its own…even without some accident like the Culpepper Switch suddenly crashing…just sayin’ 😉 We can just take California and hang all secessionists. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2016, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-calexit-is-trending/771147/79 "2016-11-12T06:12:20Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > You smug PNW assholes had better stay in the US because we need your electoral votes. > > Nobody is seceding. Nobody is moving to Canada. MOVE TO TEXAS. It’s nicer than it seems, and much more affordable. I actually like the idea of letting western Oregon go, but it sounds like eastern Oregon might want to stay: [http://katu.com/amnw/lawmaker-to-pitch-idea-to-join-eastern-parts-of-oregon-washington-with-idaho](http://katu.com/amnw/lawmaker-to-pitch-idea-to-join-eastern-parts-of-oregon-washington-with-idaho) ---
**Author:** ![NetTrekker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nettrekker/32/2909_2.png) [@NetTrekker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NetTrekker)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2016, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-calexit-is-trending/771147/80 "2016-11-12T22:42:37Z")
> **[What history says about 'Calexit' | CNN](https://www.cnn.com/2016/11/11/opinions/history-tells-us-about-calexit-cevallos/)** > > The Supreme Court said that it is illegal to secede, but secession is an American tradition, so Calexit could actually happen, writes Danny Cevallos The reality is that if California really wanted to, it could probably just leave the United States. It would be an unconstitutional, illegal act. But what could Washington actually do about it? Post another announcement on the White House webpage saying it doesn’t approve? No president would send in the military, would he? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-calexit-is-trending/771147.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-calexit-is-trending/771147.md?page=5)