# So apparently rural America (modern hunter gatherers) think city folk look down on them **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 17, 2016, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-rural-america-modern-hunter-gatherers-think-city-folk-look-down-on-them/772221 "2016-11-17T02:34:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![burrunderthe\_saddle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@burrunderthe\_saddle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/burrunderthe_saddle)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-rural-america-modern-hunter-gatherers-think-city-folk-look-down-on-them/772221/121 "2016-11-21T17:39:26Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > Who really lives in a “bubble”? New York, San Francisco and other major coastal cities are major population centers full of diversity, commerce innovation, and culture. These rural areas of which people speak tend to be culturally homogenous regions that are extremely resistant to change or any sort of outside ideas breaking in. It can be said the cities live in a bubble by virtue of msmith537 post. diversity - Apparently they are not fully aware of the rural demographics. [https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/table/PST045215/00](https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/table/PST045215/00) That is one disparaging remark by msmith537 ! commerce innovation - So only the cities can innovate. I guess all the locally owned and operated ISP’s do not count as innovation. That is two disparaging remarks by msmith537 ! culture - Implies that rural areas are uncultured. Most rural schools have concerts and art productions to sooth the savage breast. That is three disparaging remarks by msmith537 ! Me thinks, msmith537 is an indication, that city folk look down on rural America. msmith537 misspelled homogeneous ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-rural-america-modern-hunter-gatherers-think-city-folk-look-down-on-them/772221/122 "2016-11-21T17:39:43Z")
> [@burrunderthe\_saddle](#): > > [Flint water crisis - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flint_water_crisis#Switching_water_source) > > **LibDem created disaster pure and simple!** > > May I suggest a good security blanket? That is nonsense. The change was overseen by an emergency financial manager appointed by Rick Snyder (a republiopath). The emergency financial manager had the authority to remove/replace city officials if they went against him. The switch was _more expensive_ than continuing to get water from Detroit, but that is what the manager pushed for, and the council and mayor supported that decision because opposing it could get them booted out. Pure and simple, it was a republiopath scheme to downgrade Detroit water so that it could be sold off at a bargain price. That is not the way “libdems” operate. ---
**Author:** ![Salvor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Salvor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Salvor)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-rural-america-modern-hunter-gatherers-think-city-folk-look-down-on-them/772221/123 "2016-11-21T17:50:32Z")
> [@marshmallow](#): > > Liberal city-dwellers live in an echo chamber. It’s not an echo chamber when conservatives live in a white Christian mono-culture town that’s dependent on the fortunes of a single mill or mine. > > **Some of them, I assume, are good people.** This right here just gave me an idea for pundits and political comedians like Bill Maher and others to Attack Trump supporters. Use his EXACT rhetoric he directed towards the groups he is against back on Trump voters, and when they bitch and moan about being called deplorable and looking down on them and ridiculing them, roll the tape of Trump doing the exact same thing. Show them to their self righteous faces how empty and two faced and inconsistent they are, not in the hopes of persuading them, but in a scorched earth move to highlight how emotionally rotten their hatreds are, and how it’s anyone ELSE but them. ---
**Author:** ![Salvor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Salvor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Salvor)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-rural-america-modern-hunter-gatherers-think-city-folk-look-down-on-them/772221/124 "2016-11-21T17:53:01Z")
> [@Waymore](#): > > Hillary couldn’t beat Trump, whom you think is incredibly stupid. Doesn’t say much for her or her worldview. It says a lot about the priorities of Trumps voters and what they value. A Concern for truth is not one of them. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-rural-america-modern-hunter-gatherers-think-city-folk-look-down-on-them/772221/125 "2016-11-21T18:00:42Z")
> [@burrunderthe\_saddle](#): > > It can be said the cities live in a bubble by virtue of msmith537 post. > > diversity - Apparently they are not fully aware of the rural demographics. [https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/table/PST045215/00](https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/table/PST045215/00) That is one disparaging remark by msmith537 ! > > commerce innovation - So only the cities can innovate. I guess all the locally owned and operated ISP’s do not count as innovation. That is two disparaging remarks by msmith537 ! > > culture - Implies that rural areas are uncultured. Most rural schools have concerts and art productions to sooth the savage breast. That is three disparaging remarks by msmith537 ! > > Me thinks, msmith537 is an indication, that city folk look down on rural America. > > msmith537 misspelled homogeneous Do you know what “disparaging” means?" ---
**Author:** ![burrunderthe\_saddle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@burrunderthe\_saddle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/burrunderthe_saddle)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-rural-america-modern-hunter-gatherers-think-city-folk-look-down-on-them/772221/126 "2016-11-21T19:03:36Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > the council and mayor supported that decision because opposing it could get them booted out. Pure and simple, it was a republiopath scheme to downgrade Detroit water so that it could be sold off at a bargain price. That is not the way “libdems” operate. Typical libdem these allegations are not in evidence and are purely speculation. > [@](#): > > When Flint resorted to sourcing its water in the Flint River, the U.S. Representative and native son Dan Kildee, the city mayor and the majority of the city council and the county commissioners were (and remain) Democrats. It was the city council that voted on April 16, 2013 to approve the pipeline project to bring water directly from Lake Huron to the city and bypass Detroit. The council had no authority to make the change because the Flint was under the control of Emergency Manager Ed Kurtz, but the vote was understood elsewhere as an endorsement of the switch to Flint River water. This precipitated a decision on the part of the Detroit water system to refuse further negotiations on its contract with Flint. The shut-off took place one year later while ground was broken to build the new Karegnodi water supply pipeline. As its second choice, Flint leaders decided to source the water in the Flint River. It was Mayor Dayne Walling, a Democrat, who actually pressed the switch that cut off Flint from Detroit’s water system. [http://www.speroforum.com/a/TQUEZQRDUL52/77138-Obama-administration-and-Democrats-skip-responsibility-for-Flint-water-crisis#.WDM2kC0rJpg](http://www.speroforum.com/a/TQUEZQRDUL52/77138-Obama-administration-and-Democrats-skip-responsibility-for-Flint-water-crisis#.WDM2kC0rJpg) the elected officials (City council and Mayor) cannot be booted out by an EFM. Only the non-elected City staff and managers can be booted. Discussion to privatize the Detroit water authority only began (as reported by the medai) in 2014 after the crisis. Typical LibDim grasping at straws to deflect the blame. ---
**Author:** ![burrunderthe\_saddle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@burrunderthe\_saddle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/burrunderthe_saddle)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-rural-america-modern-hunter-gatherers-think-city-folk-look-down-on-them/772221/127 "2016-11-21T19:24:20Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > Do you know what “disparaging” means?" To ask the question is well “disparaging”! > [@](#): > > Originally Posted by msmith537 > Who really lives in a “bubble”? New York, San Francisco and other major coastal cities are major population centers full of diversity, commerce innovation, and culture. These rural areas of which people speak tend to be culturally homogenous regions that are extremely resistant to change or any sort of outside ideas breaking in. msmith537 contrasted cities having diversity, commerce innovation, and culture while she did not associate those attributes to rural areas, an incorrect generalization, which is disparaging. I regard or represent drad dog’s whole post as being of little worth. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-rural-america-modern-hunter-gatherers-think-city-folk-look-down-on-them/772221/128 "2016-11-21T19:27:01Z")
> [@burrunderthe\_saddle](#): > > To ask the question is well “disparaging”!. This sentence makes no sense. Is English your first language? > [@burrunderthe\_saddle](#): > > msmith537 contrasted cities having diversity, commerce innovation, and culture while she did not associate those attributes to rural areas, an incorrect generalization, which is disparaging. > . No. “Disparaging” does not mean “an incorrect generalization” Please consult a dictionary. ---
**Author:** ![DinoR](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dinor/32/2821_2.png) [@DinoR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DinoR)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-rural-america-modern-hunter-gatherers-think-city-folk-look-down-on-them/772221/129 "2016-11-21T20:02:43Z")
> [@Dorjan](#): > > At the end of the day this is still the bottom line and the factor that cannot be ignored. It’s an important point that entirely gets lost if we just try to shoehorn everything into a a concept as simplistic as the rural-urban divide. The downriver area is part of the Detroit metro area. While Detroit is long past the time where it’s the fourth largest city in the country (down to 21 in the last census) the overall metro area still ranks as the 11th largest largest Metropolitan statistical area. The struggle with the voters Dingell describes is not getting them out of of the rural areas to major metro areas. They are already there. That’s their problem. The big city at the core of their metro area has been dying. It’s been dying for decades. For many of them, it’s been dying for their entire lifetimes. Their non-rural piece of America has serious issues. ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-rural-america-modern-hunter-gatherers-think-city-folk-look-down-on-them/772221/130 "2016-11-21T20:25:07Z")
> [@burrunderthe\_saddle](#): > > [http://www.speroforum.com/a/TQUEZQRDUL52/77138-Obama-administration-and-Democrats-skip-responsibility-for-Flint-water-crisis#.WDM2kC0rJpg](http://www.speroforum.com/a/TQUEZQRDUL52/77138-Obama-administration-and-Democrats-skip-responsibility-for-Flint-water-crisis#.WDM2kC0rJpg) > > the elected officials (City council and Mayor) cannot be booted out by an EFM. Only the non-elected City staff and managers can be booted. Under Michigan statute [141.1567](http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(yxqsjt4arip33d4bcu5twk1b))/mileg.aspx?page=getobject&objectname=mcl-141-1567), emergency managers can recommend that the governor remove any official, elected or not, that the manager believes is not “promptly and fully provid[ing] the assistance and information necessary and properly requested” by the manager. Clearly, the emergency manager has a tremendous amount of power over the local officials; that’s the point of having an emergency manager. ---
**Author:** ![burrunderthe\_saddle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@burrunderthe\_saddle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/burrunderthe_saddle)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-rural-america-modern-hunter-gatherers-think-city-folk-look-down-on-them/772221/131 "2016-11-21T20:44:13Z")
> [@Human\_Action](#): > > Under Michigan statute [141.1567](http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(yxqsjt4arip33d4bcu5twk1b))/mileg.aspx?page=getobject&objectname=mcl-141-1567), emergency managers can recommend that the governor remove any official, elected or not, that the manager believes is not “promptly and fully provid[ing] the assistance and information necessary and properly requested” by the manager. Clearly, the emergency manager has a tremendous amount of power over the local officials; that’s the point of having an emergency manager. The key word is “EFM can recommend” and the governors power is limited and proscribed further. > [@](#): > > 168.207 County officers; removal from office; service of charges, hearing. > Sec. 207. The governor may remove any and all county officers named in section 200 of this chapter when he shall be satisfied from sufficient evidence submitted to him, as hereinafter provided, that such officer has been guilty of official misconduct, or of wilful neglect of duty, or of extortion, or habitual drunkenness, or has been convicted of being drunk, or whenever it shall appear by a certified copy of the judgment of a court of record of this state that such officer, after his election or appointment, shall have been convicted of a felony; The governor would never proceed to remove local officials in a 60% black community. > [@](#): > > When Flint resorted to sourcing its water in the Flint River, the U.S. Representative and native son Dan Kildee, the city mayor and the majority of the city council and the county commissioners were (and remain) Democrats. It was the city council that voted on April 16, 2013 to approve the pipeline project to bring water directly from Lake Huron to the city and bypass Detroit. The council had no authority to make the change because the Flint was under the control of Emergency Manager Ed Kurtz, but the vote was understood elsewhere as an endorsement of the switch to Flint River water. This precipitated a decision on the part of the Detroit water system to refuse further negotiations on its contract with Flint. The shut-off took place one year later while ground was broken to build the new Karegnodi water supply pipeline. As its second choice, Flint leaders decided to source the water in the Flint River. It was Mayor Dayne Walling, a Democrat, who actually pressed the switch that cut off Flint from Detroit’s water system. \*\* LibDem created disaster pure and simple!\*\* ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-rural-america-modern-hunter-gatherers-think-city-folk-look-down-on-them/772221/132 "2016-11-21T20:50:40Z")
> [@burrunderthe\_saddle](#): > > Typical libdem these allegations are not in evidence and are purely speculation. There has to be some reason for the change. I have a hard time understanding, > [@"\[Detroit](#): > > ([Ex-Detroit official reignites Flint water switch tiff](http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/michigan/flint-water-crisis/2016/01/26/ex-detroit-official-reignites-flint-water-switch-tiff/79379770/))"]… While under the control of a state-appointed emergency manager in 2013, Flint rejected an offer to remain with Detroit’s water system that could have saved an estimated $800 million over the life of a 30-year contract, said Bill Johnson, former public affairs director for the Detroit Water and Sewerage Department… > > Johnson this week released an email outlining the offer to Flint area officials in April 2013 — just before the city agreed to join Karegnondi. The email, written by then-Detroit Water and Sewerage Department Director Sue McCormick to her board chairman James Fausone and chief counsel William Wolfson, describes a proposed immediate 48 percent rate reduction from $20 to $10.46 per 7,500 gallons and a 20 percent savings over the Karegnondi proposal. > > A person speaking for McCormick, who is now the head of the Great Lakes Water Authority that oversees the Detroit water system, confirmed the specifics of the email. > > “When compared over the 30-year horizon, the DWSD proposal saves $800 million dollars or said differently — saves 20 percent over the KWA proposal,” McCormick wrote in the email dated April 15, 2013. > > Johnson said Detroit’s proposed deal should have never been rejected by Flint and state officials then involved with running the city. Why? > [@](#): > > the elected officials (City council and Mayor) cannot be booted out by an EFM. Only the non-elected City staff and managers can be booted. Really? > [@"\[wikithing](#): > > ([Financial emergency in Michigan - Wikipedia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_emergency_in_Michigan#Emergency_manager))"]An emergency manager, formerly an emergency financial manager, is an official appointed by the governor to take control of a local government under a financial emergency. A manager temporarily supplants the governing body, chief executive officer, or chief administrative officer of the local government and has the authority to remove any of the unit’s elected officials should they refuse to provide any information or assistance.[sup][[29]](https://www.michigan.gov/documents/snyder/EMF_Fact_Sheet2_347889_7.pdf)[/sup] Managers have complete control over the local unit with the ability to reduce pay, outsource work, reorganize departments and modify employee contracts. ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-rural-america-modern-hunter-gatherers-think-city-folk-look-down-on-them/772221/133 "2016-11-21T20:54:04Z")
> [@burrunderthe\_saddle](#): > > The key word is “EFM can recommend” and the governors power is limited and proscribed further. Read 141.1567 again. “Failure of a local government official to abide by this act shall be considered gross neglect of duty”. Therefore, if the emergency manager decides that the local officials aren’t “fully” providing assistance, this counts as neglect of duty, and the governor can remove the official. It’s exactly the situation **eschereal** described: for the local officials, opposing the emergency manager’s plans could get them removed from office. > [@](#): > > The governor would never proceed to remove local officials in a 60% black community. Well, I say that he would. Neither of our baseless opinions carry any weight whatsoever. > [@](#): > > \*\* > LibDem created disaster pure and simple!\*\* First, Democrat does not equal Liberal Democrat. The Democrats are a huge coalition, composed of more than just liberal folk. Second, again, the emergency manager was appointed by the Republican governor, and the manager had total control over the situation. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-rural-america-modern-hunter-gatherers-think-city-folk-look-down-on-them/772221/134 "2016-11-21T21:53:23Z")
> [@burrunderthe\_saddle](#): > > It can be said the cities live in a bubble by virtue of msmith537 post. > > diversity - Apparently they are not fully aware of the rural demographics. [https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/table/PST045215/00](https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/table/PST045215/00) That is one disparaging remark by msmith537 ! > > commerce innovation - So only the cities can innovate. I guess all the locally owned and operated ISP’s do not count as innovation. That is two disparaging remarks by msmith537 ! > > culture - Implies that rural areas are uncultured. Most rural schools have concerts and art productions to sooth the savage breast. That is three disparaging remarks by msmith537 ! > > Me thinks, msmith537 is an indication, that city folk look down on rural America. > > msmith537 misspelled homogeneous You’ll notice msmth537 never actually _said_ any of the words you’re putting in his mouth. ---
**Author:** ![burrunderthe\_saddle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@burrunderthe\_saddle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/burrunderthe_saddle)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-rural-america-modern-hunter-gatherers-think-city-folk-look-down-on-them/772221/135 "2016-11-21T22:15:18Z")
> [@Human\_Action](#): > > Read 141.1567 again. No, you read it again. Assistance does not mean nor is it stated that city council must vote a certain way in chambers. And in fact there was one council member who was not stupid and who voted no on the whole boondoggle. > [@Human\_Action](#): > > Neither of our baseless opinions carry any weight whatsoever. Agreed, all posters, myself included are using our 20-20 hindsight. But remember I didn’t start the finger pointing. It was BobLibDem that cast baseless Disparaging remarks on the water inspectors. MY opinion, All municipalities should be required to become ISO 9000 certified to avoid all of the Flint mismanagement. > [@Human\_Action](#): > > The Democrats are a huge coalition And there in lies the root cause of the democrat party failures. “You can make some of the people happy all the time and all of the people happy some of the time, but you can’t make all the people happy all the time.” PS. MY experience all over the country, having been in all 50 states and lived in 20 of them, Rural folks are pretty much happy most of the time up to the point they have to deal with some stupid liberal democrat idea. And that is the rub, the city liberal democrats force rural communities to do what works for them. Or maybe they are just jealous that rural communities are not just totally miserable and afraid of their own shadows. ---
**Author:** ![burrunderthe\_saddle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@burrunderthe\_saddle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/burrunderthe_saddle)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-rural-america-modern-hunter-gatherers-think-city-folk-look-down-on-them/772221/136 "2016-11-21T22:27:33Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > You’ll notice msmth537 never actually _said_ any of the words you’re putting in his mouth. > [@](#): > > Originally Posted by msmith537 > These rural areas of which people speak tend to be culturally homogenous regions that are extremely resistant to change or any sort of outside ideas breaking in. That is patently untrue and is disparaging. I have observed that people in rural areas will cogitate on changes longer because their planning cycle is synchronized to the growing season. ---
**Author:** ![burrunderthe\_saddle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@burrunderthe\_saddle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/burrunderthe_saddle)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-rural-america-modern-hunter-gatherers-think-city-folk-look-down-on-them/772221/137 "2016-11-21T22:38:37Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > There has to be some reason for the change. I have a hard time understanding, > Why? Good question but the [article](http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/michigan/flint-water-crisis/2016/01/26/ex-detroit-official-reignites-flint-water-switch-tiff/79379770/) offers no explanation. I would say, It is hard to stop the elephant in the room. Case on point Obamacare in the 1st 100 days. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-rural-america-modern-hunter-gatherers-think-city-folk-look-down-on-them/772221/138 "2016-11-21T22:40:02Z")
> [@burrunderthe\_saddle](#): > > diversity - Apparently they are not fully aware of the rural demographics. [https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/table/PST045215/00](https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/table/PST045215/00) That is one disparaging remark by msmith537 ! 77% white is not “diverse”. > [@burrunderthe\_saddle](#): > > commerce innovation - So only the cities can innovate. I guess all the locally owned and operated ISP’s do not count as innovation. That is two disparaging remarks by msmith537 ! ISP? Internet Service Provider? > [@burrunderthe\_saddle](#): > > culture - Implies that rural areas are uncultured. Most rural schools have concerts and art productions to sooth the savage breast. That is three disparaging remarks by msmith537 ! > > Me thinks, msmith537 is an indication, that city folk look down on rural America. You are going to compare a high school production of Guys & Dolls to Broadway? The Met? The Guggenheim? I’m not “disparaging” rural America. I’m simply stating the objective fact that major cities offer these things at a level that rural America simply can not compete at. It’s really not even a comparison because that’s what cities are, by definition. ---
**Author:** ![burrunderthe\_saddle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@burrunderthe\_saddle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/burrunderthe_saddle)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-rural-america-modern-hunter-gatherers-think-city-folk-look-down-on-them/772221/139 "2016-11-21T23:19:26Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > You are going to compare a high school production of Guys & Dolls to Broadway? The Met? The Guggenheim? Yes I am when you applaud highschoolers they cherish the memory for a lifetime. Maybe could it be that rural communities value family and community and life more. > [@msmith537](#): > > I’m not “disparaging” rural America. I’m simply stating the objective fact that major cities offer these things To a very select few born with a silver spoon in their mouth. Only the elite can afford tickets to those venues. Others are lucky if they attend once in their miserable lives. Your attitude brings to mind a poem stanza on the statue of liberty ““Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she With silent lips.”" ---
**Author:** ![JR\_Brown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d6d6ee/32.png) [@JR\_Brown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JR_Brown)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-rural-america-modern-hunter-gatherers-think-city-folk-look-down-on-them/772221/140 "2016-11-22T00:39:48Z")
> [@burrunderthe\_saddle](#): > > To a very select few born with a silver spoon in their mouth. Only the elite can afford tickets to those venues. Others are lucky if they attend once in their miserable lives. Whut? I’m in Boston, which has its fair share of High Culture; if you pick an off-night, and don’t mind having a less-than-ideal seat, you can go see a performance of almost any ballet, opera, or classical concert for around $25. If you can’t swing that, you can get subsidized tickets through various local institutions (the public library system, for one). And if you’re _completely_ broke, there’s free concerts in the park during the summer. Average people don’t participate in High Culture stuff due to lack of interest, not lack of funds. And if you _do_ want to participate in High Culture stuff, you will have more opportunities and more variety of offerings in a decent-sized city than in ruralia. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-rural-america-modern-hunter-gatherers-think-city-folk-look-down-on-them/772221.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-rural-america-modern-hunter-gatherers-think-city-folk-look-down-on-them/772221.md?page=8)