# So apparently rural America (modern hunter gatherers) think city folk look down on them **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 17, 2016, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-rural-america-modern-hunter-gatherers-think-city-folk-look-down-on-them/772221 "2016-11-17T02:34:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Waymore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Waymore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waymore)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-rural-america-modern-hunter-gatherers-think-city-folk-look-down-on-them/772221/141 "2016-11-22T01:43:06Z")
> [@JR\_Brown](#): > > Whut? I’m in Boston, which has its fair share of High Culture; if you pick an off-night, and don’t mind having a less-than-ideal seat, you can go see a performance of almost any ballet, opera, or classical concert for around $25. If you can’t swing that, you can get subsidized tickets through various local institutions (the public library system, for one). And if you’re _completely_ broke, there’s free concerts in the park during the summer. > > Average people don’t participate in High Culture stuff due to lack of interest, not lack of funds. And if you _do_ want to participate in High Culture stuff, you will have more opportunities and more variety of offerings in a decent-sized city than in ruralia. This a thousand times. People don’t participate in High Culture because they don’t want to, not because they can’t. People don’t eat healthy because they don’t want to, not because they can’t. People don’t save adequately because they don’t want to… ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-rural-america-modern-hunter-gatherers-think-city-folk-look-down-on-them/772221/142 "2016-11-22T01:59:58Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > (a republiopath) I’d really prefer not to see this sort of thing. Disagree all you want but demonizing your opponent accomplishes nothing. ---
**Author:** ![burrunderthe\_saddle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@burrunderthe\_saddle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/burrunderthe_saddle)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-rural-america-modern-hunter-gatherers-think-city-folk-look-down-on-them/772221/143 "2016-11-22T02:01:19Z")
> [@JR\_Brown](#): > > Whut? I’m in Boston, which has its fair share of High Culture; if you pick an off-night, and don’t mind having a less-than-ideal seat, you can go see a performance of almost any ballet, opera, or classical concert for around $25. If you can’t swing that, you can get subsidized tickets through various local institutions (the public library system, for one). And if you’re _completely_ broke, there’s free concerts in the park during the summer. > > Average people don’t participate in High Culture stuff due to lack of interest, not lack of funds. And if you _do_ want to participate in High Culture stuff, you will have more opportunities and more variety of offerings in a decent-sized city than in ruralia. Oh, there is a “\*\*High \*\*Culture”? That’s separating! That’s interesting, free concerts in the park during the summer. rural areas have those. But **TANSTAAFL**. So to you, only \*\*average \*\*people have a lack of interest? Disparaging much. I am not impressed by your **use of the Latin** “ruralia”. It only further increase barriers to communication. ““Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she With silent lips.”" Been to Boston and worked at Harris Corporation. I found the people around Peabody Square very stand-offish and snobby. NYC not so much. Been to NYC and worked in NJ, I found the NYC people quite welcoming when they unexpectedly at there behest offered to enter into an open and honest dialog with me and my family on our summer vacation. Our visit was to the WTC and so the locals had a more sober personality. I guess those I spoke to in NYC have realized that we are in this thing together. Some Bostonian’s need to work on their togetherness skills. I did run into a couple of Bostonian’s on the AT around MT. Katahdin [**they were very agreeable and real.**](http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Real%20people) Maybe that is because they ventured out and opened there eyes to people and things around them, noticing the differences and cherishing the good in that. ---
**Author:** ![burrunderthe\_saddle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@burrunderthe\_saddle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/burrunderthe_saddle)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-rural-america-modern-hunter-gatherers-think-city-folk-look-down-on-them/772221/144 "2016-11-22T02:04:59Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Is English your first language? That sounds pleasing to the ear and yet not to strong of verbal attack. Good job! But again, To ask the question is, well, “disparaging”! Reminds me of a group of people with totalitarian views on a given subject, who constantly monitor others for any deviation from prescribed thinking? ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-rural-america-modern-hunter-gatherers-think-city-folk-look-down-on-them/772221/145 "2016-11-22T03:44:46Z")
> [@burrunderthe\_saddle](#): > > To ask the question is well “disparaging”! > > msmith537 contrasted cities having diversity, commerce innovation, and culture while she did not associate those attributes to rural areas, an incorrect generalization, which is disparaging. > > I regard or represent drad dog’s whole post as being of little worth. You could have just said “No.” It would have quicker. ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-rural-america-modern-hunter-gatherers-think-city-folk-look-down-on-them/772221/146 "2016-11-22T03:49:09Z")
> [@burrunderthe\_saddle](#): > > No, you read it again. > Assistance does not mean nor is it stated that city council must vote a certain way in chambers. And in fact there was one council member who was not stupid and who voted no on the whole boondoggle. What assistance means at all isn’t stated. The statute is broad enough that, if he or she can convince the governor, any official can be removed at any time. And I’m sure that the officials were well aware of that. > [@](#): > > Agreed, all posters, myself included are using our 20-20 hindsight. But remember I didn’t start the finger pointing. It was BobLibDem that cast baseless Disparaging remarks on the water inspectors. > > MY opinion, All municipalities should be required to become ISO 9000 certified to avoid all of the Flint mismanagement. Who were his remarks disparaging too? Anti-government activists? > [@](#): > > And there in lies the root cause of the democrat party failures. > “You can make some of the people happy all the time and all of the people happy some of the time, but you can’t make all the people happy all the time.” The Republican party is also a broad coalition. That’s the inevitable result of first-past-the-post, winner-take-all elections: two very broad parties, and independents who flitter between them election-to-election. > [@](#): > > PS. MY experience all over the country, having been in all 50 states and lived in 20 of them, Rural folks are pretty much happy most of the time up to the point they have to deal with some stupid liberal democrat idea. > > And that is the rub, the city liberal democrats force rural communities to do what works for them. Or maybe they are just jealous that rural communities are not just totally miserable and afraid of their own shadows. That sure sounds like you’re looking down on city folks. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-rural-america-modern-hunter-gatherers-think-city-folk-look-down-on-them/772221/147 "2016-11-22T03:53:38Z")
> [@burrunderthe\_saddle](#): > > That is patently untrue and is disparaging. I have observed that people in rural areas will cogitate on changes longer because their planning cycle is synchronized to the growing season. You answered this: Originally Posted by msmith537 These rural areas of which people speak tend to be culturally homogenous regions that are extremely resistant to change or any sort of outside ideas breaking in. Please try again if you want to disagree with msm. It looks like you agree that they are resistant to change, for agricultural reasons. This also means that you are being “disparaging” to someone I think. But definitions are not a strong suit here. What does the growing season have to do with this anyway? ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-rural-america-modern-hunter-gatherers-think-city-folk-look-down-on-them/772221/148 "2016-11-22T06:27:03Z")
> [@burrunderthe\_saddle](#): > > You are way over budget on the facts cadet! > No, government jobs do not need doing! I hope you’ve never called the police. Or the fire department. Or gotten welfare. Or social security - yeah, people have to administrate that, it’s not as simple as sending your check to a PO box and then having it magically spit out a retirement fund. Or medicare. Or any other government service. > [@](#): > > High rates of employment in government positions is Obama’s form of the 1930’s WPA and CCC. > > [http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/government-workers-now-outnumber-manufacturing-workers-9977000](http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/government-workers-now-outnumber-manufacturing-workers-9977000) > > Make America Great Again! As others have pointed out, leaving aside Obama’s first year (the middle of a huge recession), manufacturing jobs have been steadily on the rise. And government jobs? > **[There's A Huge Difference In Public Sector Jobs Under Obama Vs. The...](https://www.businessinsider.com/public-sector-jobs-under-various-presidents-2014-10?IR=T)** > > Obama has faced a staggering headwind. Down. Consistently. > [@burrunderthe\_saddle](#): > > That sounds pleasing to the ear and yet not to strong of verbal attack. Good job! > > But again, To ask the question is, well, “disparaging”! > > Reminds me of a group of people with totalitarian views on a given subject, who constantly monitor others for any deviation from prescribed thinking? The reason he’s asking, and I’m going to ask again, is because it is _incredibly_ hard to communicate intelligibly with you. Much of what you’re saying makes very little to no sense, you hop back and forth from subject to subject at whimsy, you shift the goalposts like a creationist shocked to find that we do in fact have “the missing link”, you misuse words consistently, and you show offense at basically everything, including things you completely misread (he’s not using average to disparage people, he’s saying _on average, most people just aren’t interested_, which is pretty accurate and disparages… well, everyone, but nobody in particular). If english were not your first language, this behavior would make a lot more sense and be a lot more worthy of continuing to try to explain these concepts. As is… Not so sure. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-rural-america-modern-hunter-gatherers-think-city-folk-look-down-on-them/772221/149 "2016-11-22T15:16:42Z")
**burrunderthe saddle** - You seem to be proving my point for me with your stubborn, and quite honestly baffling, insistence that there is some sort of parity between major cities and rural areas in terms of the very things that define major cities. It would sound as insane as me recommending someone move to Manhattan for the reasonable cost of living and expansive living spaces. They are simply not the things that define Manhattan. People leave rural American and move to cities because the cities afford them the opportunity to do and see things they simply can’t do or see in rural America. It’s not a matter of “looking down on them”. They simply want more than what rural America has to offer. I’m sorry if you don’t like that, but if rural America offered everything a city offered, it wouldn’t be “rural”. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-rural-america-modern-hunter-gatherers-think-city-folk-look-down-on-them/772221/150 "2016-11-22T15:41:14Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > **burrunderthe saddle** People leave rural American and move to cities because the cities afford them the opportunity to do and see things they simply can’t do or see in rural America. It’s not a matter of “looking down on them”. They simply want more than what rural America has to offer. Annndddd. People leave cities to rural areas because cities don’t offer them the opportunity to do and see things you simply can’t do or see in cities. Whatever floats your boat. ---
**Author:** ![Salvor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Salvor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Salvor)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-rural-america-modern-hunter-gatherers-think-city-folk-look-down-on-them/772221/151 "2016-11-22T16:02:15Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > 77% white is not “diverse”. > > ISP? Internet Service Provider? > > \*\*You are going to compare a high school production of Guys & Dolls to Broadway? The Met? The Guggenheim? > \*\* > > I’m not “disparaging” rural America. I’m simply stating the objective fact that major cities offer these things at a level that rural America simply can not compete at. It’s really not even a comparison because that’s what cities are, by definition. In fairness to highschool productions, they can sometimes rival and even outstrip original movie productions in costuming. Just take a look at this marvel of design and costume work for Audrey II from little shop of horrors. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/IwtT0zOF0uM/hqdefault.jpg "little shop of horrors:feed me") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwtT0zOF0uM) Best. Plant. Evar. ---
**Author:** ![Salvor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Salvor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Salvor)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-rural-america-modern-hunter-gatherers-think-city-folk-look-down-on-them/772221/152 "2016-11-22T16:10:14Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Annndddd. People leave cities to rural areas because cities don’t offer them the opportunity to do and see things you simply can’t do or see in cities. > > Whatever floats your boat. It’s a lot easier to live in a city and reap the benefits long term and take trips to more rural areas than the reverse, because the economic benefits of rural America for most people are just weaker. You can still have your own home in or near a city center, the idea that moving out several ours of drive time into the stix is needed to have your own space is nonsense. If you literally want your own private streams running through your property then perhaps there is a benefit, if you have a stable enough income to not take the economic hit. ---
**Author:** ![Salvor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Salvor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Salvor)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-rural-america-modern-hunter-gatherers-think-city-folk-look-down-on-them/772221/153 "2016-11-22T16:19:27Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > **burrunderthe saddle** - You seem to be proving my point for me with your stubborn, and quite honestly baffling, insistence that there is some sort of parity between major cities and rural areas in terms of the very things that define major cities. It would sound as insane as me recommending someone move to Manhattan for the reasonable cost of living and expansive living spaces. They are simply not the things that define Manhattan. > > People leave rural American and move to cities because the cities afford them the opportunity to do and see things they simply can’t do or see in rural America. It’s not a matter of “looking down on them”. They simply want more than what rural America has to offer. > > I’m sorry if you don’t like that, but if rural America offered everything a city offered, it wouldn’t be “rural”. The only reason I would ever consider moving to some primeval patch of land is if we ever got two things to happen. 1. gigabit + low latency internet to such a location 2. some sort of ULTRA fast transport system that could get to remote areas quickly, as in sub 15-20 minutes to a city center. Maybe in another 200 years when some 5th generation hyperloop criss crosses the nation it would be worth it. In the end though, I still don’t think I’d move to a remote area. I’d rather live in some version of this: instead of this: [![](https://assets.atlasobscura.com/media/W1siZiIsInVwbG9hZHMvcGxhY2VfaW1hZ2VzLzc2MDE1Y2YwOGMzNzZjYzE5ZV9VdG9waWFfQ29sbGVnZS5qcGciXSxbInAiLCJ0aHVtYiIsIngzOTA-Il0sWyJwIiwiY29udmVydCIsIi1xdWFsaXR5IDkxIC1hdXRvLW9yaWVudCJdXQ/Utopia_College.jpg) ](https://assets.atlasobscura.com/media/W1siZiIsInVwbG9hZHMvcGxhY2VfaW1hZ2VzLzc2MDE1Y2YwOGMzNzZjYzE5ZV9VdG9waWFfQ29sbGVnZS5qcGciXSxbInAiLCJ0aHVtYiIsIngzOTA-Il0sWyJwIiwiY29udmVydCIsIi1xdWFsaXR5IDkxIC1hdXRvLW9yaWVudCJdXQ/Utopia_College.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![burrunderthe\_saddle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@burrunderthe\_saddle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/burrunderthe_saddle)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-rural-america-modern-hunter-gatherers-think-city-folk-look-down-on-them/772221/154 "2016-11-22T17:05:40Z")
**Roundup, Yippee-ki-yay,** **The OP is “What have we EVER said to disparage such people ?!??!?!?!?”** Rounding up the **we** : > [@Salvor](#): > > What have we:smack: EVER said to disparage such people ?!??!?!?!? > > So apparently rural America (modern hunter gatherers):rolleyes: think city folk look down on them > > All I’ve ever done is post hopeful:dubious: posts about expanding cities so more rurals out in the dirt patches:p of this nation can move to civilization:mad: and have a better life:dubious:. You post is Disparagement as indicated at the smilies! :smack: question asked and answered! :rolleyes: US Rural communities feed the nation and much of the world and have a diverse economy from manufacturing to leading edge technology businesses. :dubious: Implies currently without hope. In the biblical sense hope is salvation and its many blessings, past, present, and future. In the non-biblical sense, **hope is for sissies!** 😛 So working in the dirt is somehow abhorrent. :mad:The cities are not civilized given their high crime, immorality, bad schools, and fanners of disparagement. Move there, No thank you! :dubious: Arrogant thinking that your city life is better than rural life. Rounding up the **we** : > [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > One of the great advantages of this forum being an “echo chamber”🙂 is that we’re unlikely to offend too many people too stupid:eek: to figure out that Trump is a shitty candidate. > > Trump voters are either stupid or evil.:eek: :eek: Ad hominem 🙂 this forum being an “echo chamber” for Ad hominem attacks lends a bad reputation to the forum. Digging deeper we might conclude that Budget Player Cadet prefers to hide behind the wall of the forum and receives gratification from it by calling people names. Insecure much? > [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Honestly, if you asked me what the largest contributor to this cultural schism was, “liberals being smug/arrogant” would not be my first choice. My first choice would be “half the nation are fucking idiots:eek:”. Because without that, you don’t get the smugness. > > But okay, let’s just say that a big part of why Trump got voted in was that people were sick of liberals being smug and arrogant about how much smarter \*\*we \*\*are. :dubious: :eek: Ad hominem :dubious: “smarter we are” A fact not in evidence. Pandering to the “echo chamber” much. Arrogance unbounded! Rounding up the **we** : > [@drad\_dog](#): > > Sorry but the way it works is that Blue states are the net providers and Red states are the net takers:mad:. Not smugness, just reality.:smack: :mad: Red states don’t take anything. It is given or returned. :smack: Just because drad dog says it does not make it so. In fiscal year 2011, the federal government provided $607 billion in grants to state and local governments which was borrowed (not sourced in a blue state) increasing the national debt. **Blue states do not provide nor do red states take!** We are all living off borrowed money! Rounding up the **we** : > [@eschereal](#): > > a republiopath:( ☹ Term was moderated by Jonathan Chance! Rounding up the **we** : > [@msmith537](#): > > Who really lives in a “bubble”? New York, San Francisco and other major coastal cities are major population centers full of diversity, commerce innovation, and culture. These rural areas of which people speak tend to be culturally homogenous regions that are extremely resistant to change or any sort of outside ideas breaking in. The question “Who really lives in a “bubble”?” is rhetorical. msmith537 says it is the rural areas as cities is the antecedent in the statement. It is this one question that sets the tone for all that comes after to which I consider disparaging. Parsing the balance of the statement we find, msmith537 states that rural areas are culturally homogeneous regions that are extremely resistant to change or any sort of outside ideas breaking in, which is patently untrue. Obviously, msmith537 has not lived in small town America or msmith537 has but put down hard because msmith537 did not integrate into the community with respect for how the locals perceived things. Then msmith537 says that cities are “full of diversity, commerce innovation, and culture.” Without saying it directly msmith537 implies that rural areas are NOT diverse, innovative, nor cultured which is also untrue. msmith537 is living in the bubble! **Closing Remarks** When people attempt to make sense of the political world, what do they draw upon to do so? They use considerations or opinion ingredients , such as partisanship, values and principles, and self-interest. They are guided by their predispositions, the frames provided by elite rhetoric, and informal talk in their social networks. In addition, their social identities and their categorizations of people into us and them guide whom they listen to and what considerations they bring to bear when understanding politics. American politics has long been characterized by regional conflicts, but the main regional conflicts in the contemporary period are “within states, rather than across them”. Rural and city residents use the rural vs. urban divide itself as a framework to interpret politics. This framework structures perceptions of the distribution of power, resources, and values. The significance for politics of being a rural resident is not just that people in rural areas have a different demographic profile, or that the different experiences in rural areas result in different attitudes. The rural/urban divides are NOT manifestations of class conflict or conflict over material resources. It is perceptions of rural vs. urban life and geography that structure understanding of class, resources, and power. When people try to understand the world, they process information as if they are asking, “What is this an instance of?” This is at root the act of categorization, and at times the act of social identification. We should expect place to be especially powerful for understanding because it serves both functions. When it comes to abstract concepts, especially those that people do not have physical experience with, we commonly categorize them as a type of metaphor. Thinking of objects, events, people or concepts as a certain type of thing or metaphor influences the considerations that come to mind as people think about the object, event, or person There exists a geography of power. The rural vs. urban lens structured rural residents’ ideas about which geographic areas of the state had the ability to force other areas of the state to do something they otherwise would not. The major decisions in the state were made in the urban areas—primarily the state capital but Chicago as well—and emanated outward. All the counties south of Peoria went Red. Like wise all the eastern counties of the states of Washington, Oregon, and California are red. People living in non-metro areas can not possibly be jealous of cities, given the crime, educational problems, and pollution commonly associated with metro areas. There exist microcosms in the cities which exert this geography of power. Rural residents often conceptualized threats to rural life as cold, distant bureaucracies, located in cities. People regarded governments, WalMarts, and even headquarters of corporate farms all as urban entities, out of touch with the values that had at one time made rural communities stable and secure places to live. In this framework, rural residents readily viewed government as anti-rural. Many people living in rural areas believe the cities were places in which information and networking count more than effort. Many Republicans in general, regardless of type of place, linked ideas of hard work with opposition to social welfare programs. If we simply write off rural residents’ antipathy toward urban areas as a cover for racism, it does three unfortunate things for our understanding of public opinion. First, it implies that urban life is less racist than rural life. This assumption is simply belied by the striking level of racial segregation within metro areas across the United States. Second, assuming anti-urbanism is centrally about racism prevents us from recognizing the complex ways that place identity guides interpretations of politics. Third, writing off rural vs. urban frameworks as just about race prevents us from seeing the complexity of racism itself. > **[Walsh-18-02-2011.pdf](https://www.jakebowers.org/MethodsPapers/Walsh-18-02-2011.pdf)** > > 250.42 KB Face it. rural residents are a minority (17% of the population). Yet, rural residents are significant politically. Most of the area represented in U.S. legislative bodies is rural (80% of the land in the United States is rural). The geography of power has reversed! > **[Gubernatorial and legislative party control of state government](https://ballotpedia.org/Gubernatorial_and_legislative_party_control_of_state_government)** > > Ballotpedia: The Encyclopedia of American Politics The cities have big problems and Sanctuary cities continue to create those problems. The residents of the cities need to bind together to solve problems just like self reliant Rural areas do. Stand up and speak out at your council meetings. Tell the leadership just how they are screwing up. Shout it out loudly in every venue! Until the cities house is in order don’t think for a minute that the rural areas will allow themselves to be railroaded or marginalized or overpowered. > **[On-Air Schedule - 710 WOR](https://710wor.iheart.com/featured/on-air/)** > > Get the Latest Info! ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-rural-america-modern-hunter-gatherers-think-city-folk-look-down-on-them/772221/155 "2016-11-22T17:16:33Z")
That’s a lot of closing remarks. ---
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I missed this earlier: > [@burrunderthe\_saddle](#): > > You post is Disparagement as indicated at the smilies! > [@burrunderthe\_saddle](#): > > You post is Disparagement as indicated at the smilies! This is a warning for modifying another’s text inside the quote box. Do not change text within another user’s quote box. [/moderating] ---
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> [@Salvor](#): > > It’s a lot easier to live in a city and reap the benefits long term and take trips to more rural areas than the reverse, because the economic benefits of rural America for most people are just weaker. > > You can still have your own home in or near a city center, the idea that moving out several ours of drive time into the stix is needed to have your own space is nonsense. If you literally want your own private streams running through your property then perhaps there is a benefit, if you have a stable enough income to not take the economic hit. What? Why isn’t Detroit looking better than my neck of the woods if that’s universally true? ---
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> [@enipla](#): > > Annndddd. People leave cities to rural areas because cities don’t offer them the opportunity to do and see things you simply can’t do or see in cities. > > Whatever floats your boat. Yeah, that’s called camping. ---
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> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Yeah, that’s called camping. That’s one activity. One that I actually don’t participate in anymore. If you don’t understand why anyone would like to live rural, that’s fine, and I would prefer such folks stay urban. ---
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> [@enipla](#): > > That’s one activity. One that I actually don’t participate in anymore. If you don’t understand why anyone would like to live rural, that’s fine, and I would prefer such folks stay urban. I get why people would want to live out in the country, like I said, that’s why I go camping. But then I come back to where the jobs are, because as nice as it is, it isn’t nice enough to justify being in poverty to experience it every day. As the overwhelming net migration of people is toward the city, and not toward the country, it does seem as though I am not alone in this preference of small sacrifice of comfort in exchange for no longer living in poverty. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-rural-america-modern-hunter-gatherers-think-city-folk-look-down-on-them/772221.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-rural-america-modern-hunter-gatherers-think-city-folk-look-down-on-them/772221.md?page=9)