# So apparently rural America (modern hunter gatherers) think city folk look down on them **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 17, 2016, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-rural-america-modern-hunter-gatherers-think-city-folk-look-down-on-them/772221 "2016-11-17T02:34:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-rural-america-modern-hunter-gatherers-think-city-folk-look-down-on-them/772221/161 "2016-11-22T18:18:06Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > I get why people would want to live out in the country, like I said, that’s why I go camping. > > But then I come back to where the jobs are, because as nice as it is, it isn’t nice enough to justify being in poverty to experience it every day. > > As the overwhelming net migration of people is toward the city, and not toward the country, it does seem as though I am not alone in this preference of small sacrifice of comfort in exchange for no longer living in poverty. Well my Wife and I most certainly don’t live in poverty, but you calling it a small sacrifice shows that you don’t really understand why many of us prefer rural living. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-rural-america-modern-hunter-gatherers-think-city-folk-look-down-on-them/772221/162 "2016-11-22T18:18:29Z")
Jesus Christ on a rollerskate… people live in cities because they can have there what they need, want and like, and other people live out in the country because they can have there what THEY need, want and like. Yet others live in either place in spite of themselves because they’re somehow stuck there. And there’s plenty of mutual looking down to balance things out anyway ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-rural-america-modern-hunter-gatherers-think-city-folk-look-down-on-them/772221/163 "2016-11-22T18:37:43Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Well my Wife and I most certainly don’t live in poverty, but you calling it a small sacrifice shows that you don’t really understand why many of us prefer rural living. Then count yourselves amongst the lucky ones. Since you are seeming to do well for yourselves, could you tell me why your rural neighbors are not fairing so well? The entire point of this is that the rural people are living in poverty, and would rather continue to do so, than to move to where there are jobs. Now, to be fair, when I was a kid, we did move a few times (because my father made the choice to move to where the jobs were, rather than stay in place and be poor), so I understand what it is like to have to have to adapt to a new environment. It isn’t always easy, or pleasant, I’ll agree. So yeah, there is a sacrifice involved in moving to a new place. There is also a sacrifice involved in refusing to move to where the jobs are. As an individual, you can choose which sacrifice is more important to you. If you just can’t stand the thought of someone else living within a hundred yards of you, if you can’t stand the traffic (that’s understandable, actually), if you can’t stand the noise or smells, and you can’t stand to be in a more diverse population, then living closer to a city may not be best for you. But, if you want out of the cycle of poverty in which you are complaining about being trapped, and that is important enough to you to try something new, then moving a might bit closer to the city may be in your best interest. ---
**Author:** ![Corry\_El](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecae2f/32.png) [@Corry\_El](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corry_El)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-rural-america-modern-hunter-gatherers-think-city-folk-look-down-on-them/772221/164 "2016-11-22T18:41:03Z")
I live right next to the biggest US city, and in a very dense urban area itself. And I come from a long line of NY’ers. But I’m probably closer to nowadays’ stereotypes of rural dweller politically and culturally. Anyway I like the NY area, some west coast cities, DC isn’t so bad but otherwise I avoid US cities when travelling. To me there are smaller much less interesting but significantly more dangerous versions of NY. I love the US countryside, to travel through. However in general I think it’s largely BS to pigeonhole people based on where they live. Not in some kumbaya sense, but rather the most conservative and liberal states, have 10’s of % voters on other side. In 1860 Lincoln go zero _popular_ votes in a number of soon to secede states. Literally nobody voted for him. To listen to some oversimplifications now you’d think it was like that now, but it really isn’t anywhere close. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-rural-america-modern-hunter-gatherers-think-city-folk-look-down-on-them/772221/165 "2016-11-22T18:59:21Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Then count yourselves amongst the lucky ones. Since you are seeming to do well for yourselves, could you tell me why your rural neighbors are not fairing so well? Every story is different. Trying to force them to move to the cities is not something that I support. And IMHO ridiculous. “Move them to the cities so they vote Democrat” (I’m referring to Salvors other thread) Is just as, or worse than some Republican positions. (I’m left leaning centrist and would NEVER think of voting for Trump). Anyway, it’s their choice. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-rural-america-modern-hunter-gatherers-think-city-folk-look-down-on-them/772221/166 "2016-11-22T19:25:43Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Every story is different. Trying to force them to move to the cities is not something that I support. And IMHO ridiculous. > > “Move them to the cities so they vote Democrat” (I’m referring to Salvors other thread) Is just as, or worse than some Republican positions. > > (I’m left leaning centrist and would NEVER think of voting for Trump). Anyway, it’s their choice. Who said anything about forcing? Forcing anyone to move anywhere is pretty uncool, and not something that I support. Showing them that the cities and their surroundings aren’t all that bad, and that they can break their cycle of poverty by embracing a few changes is a completely different matter, and one that I would support. If people choose to stay, and live in poverty, that is their choice, one that I would question the wisdom of, to be sure, but one that I would completely support as their right to choose. The problem comes when they don’t want to live with the consequences of their choice, and wish for everyone else to be beholden to their wants. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-rural-america-modern-hunter-gatherers-think-city-folk-look-down-on-them/772221/167 "2016-11-22T19:31:00Z")
> [@burrunderthe\_saddle](#): > > **The OP is “What have we EVER said to disparage such people ?!??!?!?!?”** It’s called “taking the piss”. Note, from the same post: “All I’ve ever done is post hopeful posts about expanding cities so more rurals out in the dirt patches of this nation **can move to civilization and have a better life**.” Emphasis mine. He’s joking, and making it very clear that he, like many others, _do_ in fact disparage such people. > [@](#): > > The cities are not civilized given their high crime, immorality, bad schools, and fanners of disparagement. Move there, No thank you! Despite their “high crime” and “immorality” (whatever the fuck _that_ means; I’m guessing it has something to do with gay people not being afraid for their lives if they don’t pretend to be straight) [cities are still safer to live in](http://science.time.com/2013/07/23/in-town-versus-country-it-turns-out-that-cities-are-the-safest-places-to-live/). But look who’s disparaging now? Cities are “not civilized”? Impressive. Does that kind of hypocrisy phase you at all? > [@](#): > > :eek: Ad hominem See, this is why we ask if english is your first language - you clearly misunderstood me, or what an “ad hominem” means. An ad hominem attack is when you attack someone’s idea based on their person, for example: “Your ideas are bad because we already know you’re an idiot”. That’s not what I’m doing here. I’m not attacking anyone’s ideas. This is not an “ad hominem”. This is just an _insult_. I’m _insulting_ the chucklefucks who thought voting for Trump was a good idea. Not saying that all their ideas are bad because they did that, just insulting them. There’s a difference. One is a logical fallacy. The other is being a dick. I am often a dick; I try _very_ hard not to be fallacious. You want a fallacy? Try the [Ad Hominem Fallacy Fallacy](http://laurencetennant.com/bonds/adhominem.html)! > [@](#): > > :dubious: “smarter we are” A fact not in evidence. Pandering to the “echo chamber” much. Arrogance unbounded! To be fair: I know what an ad hominem is, and you do not. I voted for Clinton, and you seem to have voted for Trump. That gives us two _very_ firm clues. > [@](#): > > Then msmith537 says that cities are “full of diversity, commerce innovation, and culture.” Without saying it directly msmith537 implies that rural areas are NOT diverse, innovative, nor cultured which is also untrue. No. He implied that they are _less_ diverse, innovative, and cultured. All of which is true based on the data. Cities are more diverse, foster more innovation (you could add up all of rural America and it still wouldn’t match Silicon Valley alone), and essentially define our pop culture (or maybe you can tell me how often you see a movie that wasn’t greenlit by some suit in Los Angeles, California?) > [@](#): > > There exists a geography of power. > > The rural vs. urban lens structured rural residents’ ideas about which geographic areas of the state had the ability to force other areas of the state to do something they otherwise would not. The major decisions in the state were made in the urban areas—primarily the state capital but Chicago as well—and emanated outward. All the counties south of Peoria went Red. Like wise all the eastern counties of the states of Washington, Oregon, and California are red. Illinois is pretty clearly a red state if you cut out Chicago. But keep in mind that if you cut out Chicago, you’ve cut out 21% of the population of the state. Cut out the entire Chicago metropolitan area, and you’ve cut out _75 percent_ of the state’s population. This is what your analysis is missing. If you look at these cities on a map, it may look like it’s a tiny portion of the state controlling the rest… But those tiny portions contain _massive_ numbers of people. In the case of Illinois, the _vast_ majority. And that’s what’s missing in this analysis. > [@](#): > > People living in non-metro areas can not possibly be jealous of cities, given the crime, educational problems, and pollution commonly associated with metro areas. And that’s insulting and wrong. While you can complain about crime all you want, the fact is that the cities are, economically, [where it’s at](http://www.citylab.com/work/2012/04/americas-urban-rural-work-divide/1651/). Not surprisingly, the study found that the most high-skilled, high-paying occupations tend to cluster in urban areas. Urban centers tend to specialize in knowledge-based work, with high concentrations of scientists, technicians, engineers, and executives. When it comes to pay, the closer to the city center a job cluster is, the higher the pay. Others have pointed out how, artistically, the city is _far_ more influential and important - you could have the most brilliant theater production in the history of mankind, but if you’re performing at “The Barn” in Tremont, Maine, your odds of being as famous or influential as even a middling Broadway production (let alone a smash hit like “Hamilton” or “The Book of Mormon”) is essentially nil. Additionally, you have far more options. Living in Bumfuck, Missouri, your options for an open mic night are probably the one decent bar in town, and that’s it. Living in Boston, you’re a 10-minute drive from more venues and locations than you can shake a stick at. Want to be a doctor in the city? They always need more of those! Want to be a doctor in a small town that already has a doctor? Better hope that guy _dies_. Urban living has its disadvantages, as you so kindly point out. They are largely structural and occur when you have so many people living so close together. But the structural advantages are nothing to scoff at. There’s a reason so many people move to the city. > [@](#): > > Rural residents often conceptualized threats to rural life as cold, distant bureaucracies, located in cities. People regarded governments, WalMarts, and even headquarters of corporate farms all as urban entities, out of touch with the values that had at one time made rural communities stable and secure places to live. In this framework, rural residents readily viewed government as anti-rural. > > Many people living in rural areas believe the cities were places in which information and networking count more than effort. Many Republicans in general, regardless of type of place, linked ideas of hard work with opposition to social welfare programs. > > If we simply write off rural residents’ antipathy toward urban areas as a cover for racism, it does three unfortunate things for our understanding of public opinion. First, it implies that urban life is less racist than rural life. This assumption is simply belied by the striking level of racial segregation within metro areas across the United States. Second, assuming anti-urbanism is centrally about racism prevents us from recognizing the complex ways that place identity guides interpretations of politics. Third, writing off rural vs. urban frameworks as just about race prevents us from seeing the complexity of racism itself. Apart from point one ([which is demonstrably false](http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/08/28/the-black-white-and-urban-rural-divides-in-perceptions-of-racial-fairness/) - urban areas certainly at least more _woke_, partially because there is more diversity in them, and pointing to redlining as a counterexample doesn’t help you much there), this is _shockingly_ well-thought-out and cogent statement. And then I realized you just lifted it wholesale. At least you offered a source. > [@](#): > > [http://www.jakebowers.org/MethodsPapers/Walsh-18-02-2011.pdf](http://www.jakebowers.org/MethodsPapers/Walsh-18-02-2011.pdf) -\_- > [@](#): > > The cities have big problems and Sanctuary cities continue to create those problems. The residents of the cities need to bind together to solve problems just like self reliant Rural areas do. Stand up and speak out at your council meetings. Tell the leadership just how they are screwing up. Shout it out loudly in every venue! Until the cities house is in order don’t think for a minute that the rural areas will allow themselves to be railroaded or marginalized or overpowered. Buddy, with all due respect, your advice is neither good nor interesting, and we don’t need it. Most of the problems most cities face are structural. Economically, urban areas are _substantially_ better-off than rural areas, with [lower unemployment](http://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/rural-economy-population/employment-education/rural-employment-and-unemployment/) and far more job options. The view you have of the city is _absurd_. No wonder, if you listen to Rush “Rape Police” Limbaugh. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-rural-america-modern-hunter-gatherers-think-city-folk-look-down-on-them/772221/168 "2016-11-22T19:32:28Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Who said anything about forcing? Forcing anyone to move anywhere is pretty uncool, and not something that I support. > > Showing them that the cities and their surroundings aren’t all that bad, and that they can break their cycle of poverty by embracing a few changes is a completely different matter, and one that I would support. > > If people choose to stay, and live in poverty, that is their choice, one that I would question the wisdom of, to be sure, but one that I would completely support as their right to choose. > > The problem comes when they don’t want to live with the consequences of their choice, and wish for everyone else to be beholden to their wants. Fair enough. But do understand that not all Trump voters where poor out of work miners. It’s anecdotal I realize, but the only Trump voters that I know personally are VERY well to do country folks. ---
**Author:** ![Salvor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Salvor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Salvor)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-rural-america-modern-hunter-gatherers-think-city-folk-look-down-on-them/772221/169 "2016-11-22T19:32:55Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > What? Why isn’t Detroit looking better than my neck of the woods if that’s universally true? Because Detroit is a blighted city. Take the average measure of prosperity of rural counties vs the average measure of prosperity of people living in cities, then for fun take the median. I’d be surprised if cities do worse. In crime they probably do, but then it’s hard to get robbed when you live at the top of a mountain surrounded by wild boars and poisonous snakes where most human beings choose not to tread for fear of death and boredom. ---
**Author:** ![Salvor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Salvor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Salvor)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-rural-america-modern-hunter-gatherers-think-city-folk-look-down-on-them/772221/170 "2016-11-22T19:38:41Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Every story is different. Trying to force them to move to the cities is not something that I support. And IMHO ridiculous. > > “Move them to the cities so they vote Democrat” (I’m referring to Salvors other thread) Is just as, or worse than some Republican positions. > > (I’m left leaning centrist and would NEVER think of voting for Trump). Anyway, it’s their choice. In my defense, I was not advocating forced movement to cities, just figuring out a way to make cities so ridiculously attractive that even the Duck Dynasties of the world feel more of a pull. Once they come to the city, I think conservatism of the sort that thrives in rural america will be greatly dulled. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-rural-america-modern-hunter-gatherers-think-city-folk-look-down-on-them/772221/171 "2016-11-22T19:45:35Z")
> [@Salvor](#): > > where most human beings choose not to tread for fear of death and boredom. And there you go again. Every chance you get you take a shot at rural living. This is why people are getting defensive. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-rural-america-modern-hunter-gatherers-think-city-folk-look-down-on-them/772221/172 "2016-11-22T20:06:59Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Fair enough. But do understand that not all Trump voters where poor out of work miners. It’s anecdotal I realize, but the only Trump voters that I know personally are VERY well to do country folks. So, does that mean that you do not personally know any poor people in your area? That all the people you know are VERY well to do? How exactly are you as in touch with the poor rural Americans as you seem to be claiming here, then? Of course, if you are one of the people living out away from the city, and being fortunate enough to make that work and prosper, then why would you want to change? I kinda dream of making my fortune, then retiring to the countryside myself one day, when proximity to the city and the economic opportunities it provides is of less importance. The Trump voters we are talking about are not as fortunate as you and your friends are, so their drives, motivations and goals are very different than yours. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-rural-america-modern-hunter-gatherers-think-city-folk-look-down-on-them/772221/173 "2016-11-22T20:13:32Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > And there you go again. Every chance you get you take a shot at rural living. This is why people are getting defensive. I find it funny that the same people that complain that political correctness is ruining the country, and said that we need someone that tells it like it is, are now complaining that people are saying mean things to them and should be nicer. Which is it? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-rural-america-modern-hunter-gatherers-think-city-folk-look-down-on-them/772221/174 "2016-11-22T20:14:06Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > And there you go again. Every chance you get you take a shot at rural living. This is why people are getting defensive. So, you deny that, to a city dweller, the country side has no dangers to encounter that may take them unawares? And you also contend that, to a city dweller, the countryside will be as engaging and interesting as the venues available in a city? ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-rural-america-modern-hunter-gatherers-think-city-folk-look-down-on-them/772221/175 "2016-11-22T20:21:52Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > So, does that mean that you do not personally know any poor people in your area? That all the people you know are VERY well to do? Some are VERY well to do. Most are middle class. I understand it is not typical. Actually most people in my area live in the country and have a small commute into one of two small towns. Some by choice and others because it makes the most economic sense. Town is Insanely expensive. Like I said before. Whatever floats your boat. > [@](#): > > How exactly are you as in touch with the poor rural Americans as you seem to be claiming here, then? Where did I claim that? ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-rural-america-modern-hunter-gatherers-think-city-folk-look-down-on-them/772221/176 "2016-11-22T20:31:38Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > I find it funny that the same people that complain that political correctness is ruining the country, and said that we need someone that tells it like it is, are now complaining that people are saying mean things to them and should be nicer. > > Which is it? Your not talking about me my friend. I didn’t vote for the Cheeto. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-rural-america-modern-hunter-gatherers-think-city-folk-look-down-on-them/772221/177 "2016-11-22T20:33:50Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > So, you deny that, to a city dweller, the country side has no dangers to encounter that may take them unawares? > > And you also contend that, to a city dweller, the countryside will be as engaging and interesting as the venues available in a city? Salvos was talking about people that already live in the country. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-rural-america-modern-hunter-gatherers-think-city-folk-look-down-on-them/772221/178 "2016-11-22T20:35:38Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Your not talking about me my friend. I didn’t vote for the Cheeto. We’re talking about those people in this thread though, and our besaddled friend definitely fits my comment. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-rural-america-modern-hunter-gatherers-think-city-folk-look-down-on-them/772221/179 "2016-11-22T20:55:04Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Some are VERY well to do. Most are middle class. I understand it is not typical. Actually most people in my area live in the country and have a small commute into one of two small towns. Some by choice and others because it makes the most economic sense. Town is Insanely expensive. Like I said before. Whatever floats your boat. So, you do not live in a typical rural area. > [@](#): > > Where did I claim that? > [@enipla](#): > > Well my Wife and I most certainly don’t live in poverty, but you calling it a small sacrifice shows that you don’t really understand why many of us prefer rural living. This at least implies that you do know why people prefer to live in a rural areas. Definitely implies that you have some sort of knowledge about the life that I do not. This is belied by the fact that you don’t actually know any of the poor rural Americans who swung the election in Trump’s favor. At this point, I think that my going camping gives me just as much, or more (since you said you don’t anymore) authority on this subject. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-rural-america-modern-hunter-gatherers-think-city-folk-look-down-on-them/772221/180 "2016-11-22T21:07:45Z")
> [@burrunderthe\_saddle](#): > > Obviously, msmith537 has not lived in small town America or msmith537 has but put down hard because msmith537 did not integrate into the community with respect for how the locals perceived things. I have. I haven’t. and I did. However, your assumption simply proves my point. Small town America, you either “integrate” or you get “put down hard”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-rural-america-modern-hunter-gatherers-think-city-folk-look-down-on-them/772221.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-rural-america-modern-hunter-gatherers-think-city-folk-look-down-on-them/772221.md?page=10)