# So apparently, science denialists will never admit they're wrong **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 19, 2013, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-science-denialists-will-never-admit-theyre-wrong/666669 "2013-08-19T22:19:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2013, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-science-denialists-will-never-admit-theyre-wrong/666669/1 "2013-08-19T22:19:58Z")
Today’s topic: homosexuality. Specifically, everyone’s favorite bullshit parenting study, Mark Regnerus’s incredibly bogus piece. A relative cited it on facebook as “the best study available on gay parenting”. Right, and it’s automatically better than the dozens of others done by other psychologists… why? No answer on that. I then proceeded to show him, among other things: - [Of thousands of those surveyed, only a mere handful of those called “gay parents” actually were](http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/06/13/45683) - [Head editor calling it bullshit](http://www.bilerico.com/2013/05/chief_reviewer_repudiates_regnerus_study.php) - [editor literally calling it “bullshit”](http://www.glaad.org/blog/journals-editorial-board-member-calls-anti-gay-paper-bullsht) - [Regnerus being coached on how to present the study by anti-gay groups](http://www.glaad.org/blog/mark-regnerus-was-coached-pretend-his-study-wasnt-biased) - [An internal audit admitting the article never should have made it through peer-review](http://chronicle.com/blogs/percolator/controversial-gay-parenting-study-is-severely-flawed-journals-audit-finds/30255) - [Regnerus admitting that it was flawed](http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2013/summer/suspect-science) …His response? “Pure BS. You’re in denial.” And then he went into a long rant on how the APA was hijacked by homosexuals in the 70s. I shouldn’t be surprised, but it’s still a pain in the ass when someone is _that_ stupid. So here’s to you, unnamed uncle. You are a stupid, bigoted cunt. That alone is bad enough, but when you are presented with pretty much the most slam-dunk evidence that a paper is flawed that you can possibly get, you don’t respond by claiming that the person with all the evidence is in denial. As Yahtzee put it so nicely: This post is dedicated to you, because you’re a cunt. What are you? You’re a cunt, yes you are. You live in a cunty cottage and you drive a cunty car. ---
**Author:** ![aNewLeaf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ac91a4/32.png) [@aNewLeaf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aNewLeaf)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2013, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-science-denialists-will-never-admit-theyre-wrong/666669/2 "2013-08-19T22:39:00Z")
Got a thing for gays, do you? ---
**Author:** ![G-SE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f0a364/32.png) [@G-SE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/G-SE)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2013, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-science-denialists-will-never-admit-theyre-wrong/666669/3 "2013-08-19T22:40:56Z")
You’re in denial… ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2013, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-science-denialists-will-never-admit-theyre-wrong/666669/4 "2013-08-19T23:14:46Z")
At least he didn’t shrug off all contrary evidence as being bought and paid for by Big Homo. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2013, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-science-denialists-will-never-admit-theyre-wrong/666669/5 "2013-08-19T23:18:02Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > At least he didn’t shrug off all contrary evidence as being bought and paid for by Big Homo. Well, he kinda did. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2013, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-science-denialists-will-never-admit-theyre-wrong/666669/6 "2013-08-19T23:29:16Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > And then he went into a long rant on how the APA was hijacked by homosexuals in the 70s. First I’ve heard of that one. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2013, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-science-denialists-will-never-admit-theyre-wrong/666669/7 "2013-08-19T23:36:08Z")
> [@G-SE](#): > > You’re in denial… What do you have against watersports? ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2013, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-science-denialists-will-never-admit-theyre-wrong/666669/8 "2013-08-19T23:47:24Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > First I’ve heard of that one. [It’s a (very depressing) thing.](http://www.politicalforum.com/opinion-polls/291050-gay-cabal-replaces-science-soon-constitution-itself-via-doma-prop-8-a.html) Completely insane, but when has that ever stopped anyone? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2013, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-science-denialists-will-never-admit-theyre-wrong/666669/9 "2013-08-20T00:02:59Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > And then he went into a long rant on how the APA was hijacked by homosexuals in the 70s. > [@BrainGlutton](#): > > First I’ve heard of that one. It is actually a very common tactic by followers of pseudoscience and deniers, since the most important science organizations are claiming that “A” is the case, the minority who claim it is “X” will tell others that the organizations claiming “A” were taken over by people who are conspiring against the way of life of the ones supporting the minority position. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2013, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-science-denialists-will-never-admit-theyre-wrong/666669/10 "2013-08-20T00:19:19Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > At least he didn’t shrug off all contrary evidence as being bought and paid for by Big Homo. The APA is just a front for the toaster industry. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2013, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-science-denialists-will-never-admit-theyre-wrong/666669/11 "2013-08-20T00:25:47Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > [It’s a (very depressing) thing.](http://www.politicalforum.com/opinion-polls/291050-gay-cabal-replaces-science-soon-constitution-itself-via-doma-prop-8-a.html) Completely insane, but when has that ever stopped anyone? :rolleyes: You have to admit the man’s got some impressive evidence. His opening line alone - _“In 1970, the APA held their convention in San Francisco, probably an ill-advised choice of location”_ - was enough to convince me. After all, everyone knows you can catch the gay by breathing the same air a homosexual has breathed. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2013, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-science-denialists-will-never-admit-theyre-wrong/666669/12 "2013-08-20T00:45:42Z")
See, here’s the thing. You have it backwards. Your uncle didn’t have the opinion he had because of the study. Your uncle had the opinion, and then found a study that supported the opinion. So arguing the facts with him, or global warming denialists, or people who don’t believe in evolution, or that the Holocaust happened or whatever is a pointless endeavor. You can’t use facts to argue somebody out of a position they didn’t use facts to get into. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2013, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-science-denialists-will-never-admit-theyre-wrong/666669/13 "2013-08-20T00:48:07Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > The APA is just a front for the toaster industry. Yeah, but most toasters, and almost all of the people who use them, are gay. ---
**Author:** ![aNewLeaf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ac91a4/32.png) [@aNewLeaf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aNewLeaf)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2013, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-science-denialists-will-never-admit-theyre-wrong/666669/14 "2013-08-20T00:49:08Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > You have to admit the man’s got some impressive evidence. His opening line alone - _“In 1970, the APA held their convention in San Francisco, probably an ill-advised choice of location”_ - Bohemian Grove was already taken that year. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2013, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-science-denialists-will-never-admit-theyre-wrong/666669/15 "2013-08-20T00:49:50Z")
> [@Captain\_Amazing](#): > > See, here’s the thing. You have it backwards. Your uncle didn’t have the opinion he had because of the study. Your uncle had the opinion, and then found a study that supported the opinion. Bingo ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2013, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-science-denialists-will-never-admit-theyre-wrong/666669/16 "2013-08-20T00:52:25Z")
There are people on this very board to deny climate science daily. Magellan still thinks gay marriage will lead to something, maybe someday, with no evidence whatsoever. Misinformed people cling to their favorite lies because so much else is piled atop them. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2013, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-science-denialists-will-never-admit-theyre-wrong/666669/17 "2013-08-20T01:11:06Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > There are people on this very board to deny climate science daily. > > Magellan still thinks gay marriage will lead to something, maybe someday, with no evidence whatsoever. > > Misinformed people cling to their favorite lies because so much else is piled atop them. There is a clear correlation between the US’s acceptance of homosexuality and the impacts of global climate change. I’m pretty sure this is proof that God dislikes the gays. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2013, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-science-denialists-will-never-admit-theyre-wrong/666669/18 "2013-08-20T01:21:41Z")
I though it was pirates that have the correlation. > **[Climate Denier at CPAC: Trust Me, I’m an Astronaut](https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/03/climate-denier-cpac-trust-me-im-astronaut/)** > > A breakout session at the annual conservative confab encouraged people to consider the science, not the spin. It featured exactly zero scientists. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2013, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-science-denialists-will-never-admit-theyre-wrong/666669/19 "2013-08-20T01:23:45Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > _“In 1970, the APA held their convention in San Francisco, probably an ill-advised choice of location”_ I thought in 1970 SF was still all hippies and inhaling had a different result than going gay. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2013, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-science-denialists-will-never-admit-theyre-wrong/666669/20 "2013-08-20T01:24:36Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > It is actually a very common tactic by followers of pseudoscience and deniers, since the most important science organizations are claiming that “A” is the case, the minority who claim it is “X” will tell others that the organizations claiming “A” were taken over by people who are conspiring against the way of life of the ones supporting the minority position. That would be quite an expensive and challenging enterprise. To “take over” an academic, scientific or professional discipline would require 1) finding hundreds of ideologically loyal young recruits who are also both talented and interested in the field in question, and 2) putting them all through the relevant grad schools, and 3) pushing their careers along after that, 4) all without the whole thing coming out at some point. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-apparently-science-denialists-will-never-admit-theyre-wrong/666669.md?page=2)