# So based on today....... **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 13, 2017, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-based-on-today/793518 "2017-08-13T03:07:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![nightshadea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/7ba0ec/32.png) [@nightshadea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nightshadea)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-based-on-today/793518/1 "2017-08-13T03:07:40Z")
My neighbor was watching what went on today and wondered which side was going to pull an okc type of bombing on the other (or do it themselves against fed and blame the other side ) and possibly start a second civil war I said I hope it didn’t come to that but shes doubtful about how things are going … Is it possible that we wont have to worry about north korea since well by killing each other from the inside in the next 2-4 years ? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-based-on-today/793518/2 "2017-08-13T03:18:44Z")
I don’t think we’re anywhere near anything more than a few nuts on the fringes commiting acts of violence. Ponder for a moment what it would take for you personally to take up arms against your neighbors. Speaking for myself, we’re nowhere near that sort of dystopia. ---
**Author:** ![MikeG](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikeg/32/4329_2.png) [@MikeG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MikeG)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-based-on-today/793518/3 "2017-08-13T03:29:16Z")
I’m pretty close. If I see any nazis in Chicago I will for damn sure confront them as forcefully as I can. Not in my city. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-based-on-today/793518/4 "2017-08-13T03:33:54Z")
I hate Illinois Nazis… ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-based-on-today/793518/5 "2017-08-13T03:36:26Z")
> [@MikeG](#): > > I’m pretty close. If I see any nazis in Chicago I will for damn sure confront them as forcefully as I can. Not in my city. “as forcefully as I can” could mean lots of things to lots of people. Are you going to post up on a rooftop and fire into their rally? Run them over with your car? Or something more like paint your own sign and counter-protest? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Plutonium\_Kid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8baadc/32.png) [@The\_Plutonium\_Kid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Plutonium_Kid)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-based-on-today/793518/6 "2017-08-13T03:37:38Z")
> [@MikeG](#): > > I’m pretty close. If I see any nazis in Chicago I will for damn sure confront them as forcefully as I can. Not in my city. So when you say Nazi, do you mean card carrying members of the National Socialist White Peoples Party or the Traditionalist Workers Party? Or do you mean just anybody who voted for Trump? ---
**Author:** ![Stringbean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Stringbean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stringbean)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-based-on-today/793518/7 "2017-08-13T03:49:15Z")
> [@MikeG](#): > > I’m pretty close. If I see any nazis in Chicago I will for damn sure confront them as forcefully as I can. Not in my city. Nazism was borne of this mentality. Except it was “Patriots” fighting “Communists” in the streets of Berlin. Force is not the answer. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-based-on-today/793518/8 "2017-08-13T03:51:19Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I don’t think we’re anywhere near anything more than a few nuts on the fringes commiting acts of violence. Ponder for a moment what it would take for you personally to take up arms against your neighbors. Speaking for myself, we’re nowhere near that sort of dystopia. I agree. Things were worse at many times in the past; to put things in perspective, for instance, there were the riots of the 60s. In the Watts riots (1965), 30,000 fought police, leaving 34 people dead, 1000 injured, and 4000 arrested. The 60s saw a wave of high-profile assassinations; after that of Martin Luther King in 1968, 125 cities broke out in riots. This is (so far) small potatoes compared to that. So far. The problem is that things are moving in the wrong direction, and _ **that** _ should be a concern. White supremacy and nativism is on the rise, emboldened by the antics of the current president who these factions so overtly support, who is also appallingly tolerant of it for obvious political reasons. In today’s speech he completely failed to call out the white supremacists and stooped so low as to try to blame “many sides” for a problem that “has been with us a long time”. Pretty much “nothing to see here, what’s everybody so excited about?” ---
**Author:** ![MikeG](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikeg/32/4329_2.png) [@MikeG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MikeG)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-based-on-today/793518/9 "2017-08-13T04:07:05Z")
> [@Stringbean](#): > > Nazism was borne of this mentality. Except it was “Patriots” fighting “Communists” in the streets of Berlin. Force is not the answer. Bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-based-on-today/793518/10 "2017-08-13T04:17:34Z")
> [@MikeG](#): > > Bullshit. So you’re actually advocating violence? ---
**Author:** ![MikeG](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikeg/32/4329_2.png) [@MikeG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MikeG)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-based-on-today/793518/11 "2017-08-13T04:29:34Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > So you’re actually advocating violence? I’m advocating defense against racist aggressors. ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-based-on-today/793518/12 "2017-08-13T04:34:01Z")
> [@MikeG](#): > > I’m advocating defense against racist aggressors. Even if they are just peacefully marching? That’s the problem, isn’t it. They’re hateful people so it’s ok to shoot them or kick them in the backside or use pepper spray on them? And when they say the same thing about you, what then? All you have is war. It’s tough to be one of the good guys. Not everyone has what it takes. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-based-on-today/793518/13 "2017-08-13T04:46:56Z")
How are you going to “confront” them? With violence? Yes, or no? ---
**Author:** ![MikeG](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikeg/32/4329_2.png) [@MikeG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MikeG)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-based-on-today/793518/14 "2017-08-13T04:47:55Z")
> [@Roderick\_Femm](#): > > Even if they are just peacefully marching? > > That’s the problem, isn’t it. They’re hateful people so it’s ok to shoot them or kick them in the backside or use pepper spray on them? And when they say the same thing about you, what then? All you have is war. > > It’s tough to be one of the good guys. Not everyone has what it takes. Running down and murdering people isn’t peaceful. Americans got together 72 years ago to kill the nazis threatening our country. We can do it again. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-based-on-today/793518/15 "2017-08-13T04:49:16Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > I hate Illinois Nazis… Somehow it was funnier when Henry Gibson went over the side… 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![chappachula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d2c977/32.png) [@chappachula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chappachula)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-based-on-today/793518/16 "2017-08-13T04:49:26Z")
> [@nightshadea](#): > > killing each other from the inside in the next 2-4 years ? I assume you are too young to remember the sixties? Wash, lather, and repeat. Society was completely falling apart. Violent riots, not just on campuses but also at the Democratic Party’s national convention–questioning the very basis of our constitutional democratic procedures, Thousands of rioters, all over the country, proudly calling the police “pigs”, refusing to recognize the legitimacy of our legal system. etc, etc, etc. ---
**Author:** ![MikeG](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikeg/32/4329_2.png) [@MikeG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MikeG)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-based-on-today/793518/17 "2017-08-13T04:50:20Z")
And I sure as fuck won’t back down from a war if backing down means allowing blacks, Jews, asians, hispanics, lgbtq, and all the other minorities that make up this country be attacked. I’d rather die here in Chicago fighting that than in Iraq so Cheney can slide a few billion to his buddies at Halliburton. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-based-on-today/793518/18 "2017-08-13T04:52:56Z")
> [@MikeG](#): > > And I sure as fuck won’t back down from a war if backing down means allowing blacks, Jews, asians, hispanics, lgbtq, and all the other minorities that make up this country be attacked. > > I’d rather die here in Chicago fighting that than in Iraq so Cheney can slide a few billion to his buddies at Halliburton. So you are willing to use violence? ---
**Author:** ![MikeG](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikeg/32/4329_2.png) [@MikeG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MikeG)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-based-on-today/793518/19 "2017-08-13T04:59:11Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > So you are willing to use violence? To defend people? Of course. You ever see handwringing stop a bullet? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-based-on-today/793518/20 "2017-08-13T04:59:14Z")
I don’t think you’ll get a straight answer out if him. He’s too busy playing coy and acting like an internet tough guy. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-based-on-today/793518.md?page=2)