# So Bob Ross. He's a good painter, but he sucks, right? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** arts-crafts\ **Created:** [October 30, 2019, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-bob-ross-hes-a-good-painter-but-he-sucks-right/842690 "2019-10-30T05:27:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2019, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-bob-ross-hes-a-good-painter-but-he-sucks-right/842690/41 "2019-10-31T00:52:59Z")
Read Walter Pater on the Mona Lisa. One of the most famous pieces of 19th century art criticism. It was revered BEFORE it got stole. [https://madeleineemeraldthiele.wordpress.com/2017/01/24/walter-pater-on-leonardos-mona-lisa/](https://madeleineemeraldthiele.wordpress.com/2017/01/24/walter-pater-on-leonardos-mona-lisa/) ---
**Author:** ![Alpha\_Twit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alpha_twit/32/265_2.png) [@Alpha\_Twit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alpha_Twit)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2019, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-bob-ross-hes-a-good-painter-but-he-sucks-right/842690/42 "2019-10-31T01:12:39Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > …And he did it all while wearing the same clothes for like 30 seasons. It’s worth noting that this was at least partly a calculated move on his part. He very clearly wanted to present a comfortable, relaxed image and his casual clothing added to that presentation. He also wanted relatively simple clothing that wouldn’t clash or detract from what was appearing on the canvas. Perhaps most importantly though, he wanted to keep the appearance of the show relatively timeless. Clothing colors and styles go in and out of fashion but faded denims and a simple shirt always look good. ---
**Author:** ![Chingon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chingon/32/17645_2.png) [@Chingon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chingon)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2019, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-bob-ross-hes-a-good-painter-but-he-sucks-right/842690/43 "2019-10-31T01:34:11Z")
A bunch of Gils in here today. ---
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2019, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-bob-ross-hes-a-good-painter-but-he-sucks-right/842690/44 "2019-10-31T02:09:49Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > Read Walter Pater on the Mona Lisa. One of the most famous pieces of 19th century art criticism. It was revered BEFORE it got stole. > > [https://madeleineemeraldthiele.wordpress.com/2017/01/24/walter-pater-on-leonardos-mona-lisa/](https://madeleineemeraldthiele.wordpress.com/2017/01/24/walter-pater-on-leonardos-mona-lisa/) I’m sure art critics were aware of it, but the general public didn’t until the image was plastered all over the world’s newspapers when it was stolen. Note how references to it [doubled at the time it was stolen](https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Mona+Lisa&year_start=1800&year_end=2000&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2CMona%20Lisa%3B%2Cc0) in 1911. Wikipedia says it was ["not widely known outside the art world](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mona_Lisa) and “By 1911, the painting was still not popular among the lay-public.” **JohnGalt** of course your eye is drawn to it: it’s now the most recognizable painting in the world. And you’re not actually seeing the painting; you’re seeing Morse’s version of it. More important is the attitude of the painters in the painting. None are painting it, a sign they don’t see it as anything special. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Colossus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.colossus/32/9423_2.png) [@Dr.Colossus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Colossus)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2019, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-bob-ross-hes-a-good-painter-but-he-sucks-right/842690/45 "2019-10-31T03:10:38Z")
So I’ve been thinking about this thread all day. It’s worth noting I’m an artist for a living (murals mostly). While it’s true most contemporary artists HATED Ross and didn’t consider him or his productions “art” or “an artist,” a lot of them resented his success. Bill Alexander, his mentor, also resented his success, but happily appeared on the show. He’s been [quoted] ([Bill Alexander (painter) - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Alexander_(painter)))as saying “[Bob] does wet on wet? _I INVENTED_ wet on wet” (no he did not). He goes on to say “it’s not just that he betrayed me; it’s that _he thinks he does it better_.” Can you imagine someone thinking Bob Ross had a big ego? This only come after the success of the Joy of Painting, which Bob did _[for free](https://www.reddit.com/r/Entrepreneur/comments/7oc89l/til_bob_ross_was_never_paid_for_his_show_on_pbs/)_. Bob did that show FOR FREE!! He made his money through Bob Ross Inc which capitalized on the show’s success by selling “how to” instructional books. To that end, he did each painting from each show 3 times: Once as a rough reference that was stationed off camera during the show for him to refer to and copy. Then he did the live painting during the show. Then after the show he did a 2 hour demo of the painting, more polished, with a photographer clicking a pic every few steps to compile into his books. He was known to shoot a whole series season in a few short days, clearing his schedule to teach classes (which is how he made his actual living). Imagine 13 episodes of paintings in 2 days. That’s 39 paintings in two days, counting the repaints. Some people here ask if he painted other things, like people. His son is quoted as saying he never wanted to paint people. That he believed the nuance of expression in one’s face was too complicated to capture (at least not in a half hour). He was known to omit any presence of humanity from his paintings–“no chimneys on the cabins because that indicated a person was in there.” I believe he achieved exactly what he aspired to do: teach art to **everyone**. Sure he used chintzy craft-painting methods, but look at what he could accomplish in 30 minutes. I can’t do it and I have a college degree in it. I saw it mentioned online that he was NOT a landscape artist, he was NOTHING. “Just compare him to an old master’s landscape. [LOOK AT THIS PAINTING BY CHURCH](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Heart_of_the_Andes#/media/File:Church_Heart_of_the_Andes.jpg).” That’s fine–that’s an AMAZING painting. …but show me what that painting looked like 30 minutes after the canvas was blank. Think it’d look as good as a finished Bob Ross? Of course it wouldn’t. All this debate about “what is art” and “is it innovative” was put to bed by Warhol. Soup is art. Just soup. Not to mention conspicuous consumerism brought on by post-modernism, art worth a million bucks such as this stupid red square. [I defy anyone to bullshit their way into aggrandizing a solid red square and pretending it means something worth a million bucks](https://www.gerhard-richter.com/en/art/other/glass-and-mirrors-105/mirror-blood-red-6873/?p=1). No one sane would see a blood red painting and consider it worth millions without some backlogged lineage that somecrazyhow makes it worth a million bucks. People are too hard on Bob. He didn’t parade around under the guise of something grander than he was the way Thomas Kinkade did, who did little more than sign a painting done by a series of minions. [He also didn’t die in disgrace from alcohol poisoning the way Kinkade did](https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2012/may/09/thomas-kinkade-dark-death-painter). ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2019, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-bob-ross-hes-a-good-painter-but-he-sucks-right/842690/46 "2019-10-31T04:26:48Z")
I’ve found the replies in this thread very interesting and informative. Thanks to you all for your input so far! I’ve been chewing on them for quite a good part of the day. I look forward to additional thoughts. My 8-year-old daughter and I both love watching his show, btw. I find his show to be even more of a work of art than his paintings. The show itself provokes emotions in viewers, and awe, and it’s got many unique elements that are recognizable across our culture. I can’t say the same for his paintings, even as they’re technically beautiful. My daughter watches Joy of Painting with her mouth open most of the time. I think the act of him painting, watching the scene unfold and listening to his patter, is what is the most interesting part of it all. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2019, 7:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-bob-ross-hes-a-good-painter-but-he-sucks-right/842690/47 "2019-10-31T07:40:37Z")
> [@AncientHumanoid](#): > > If he had painted San Francisco trolley cars, would he have been a BARTIST? In the first place the BART system doesn’t include the trolley cars. Now that I’ve got the killjoy business out of the way: No, he would have been [Thomas Kinkade](https://thomaskinkade.com/shop/limited-edition-art/san-francisco-powell-street-limited-edition-art/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIlPbuqf7F5QIVjcBkCh2y7gXCEAQYAyABEgK3hfD_BwE)… ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2019, 8:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-bob-ross-hes-a-good-painter-but-he-sucks-right/842690/48 "2019-10-31T08:06:56Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > Like bad **Kincaid** knock-offs? You’re not really selling it, there 😛 point of order: Robert **Kincaid** was the hunky National Geographic photographer from the novel (and subsequent musical) _The Bridges of Madison County_. Thomas **Kinkade** was [del]Painter Spice[/del] the _soi-disant_ Painter of Light.[sup]TM[/sup] ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2019, 8:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-bob-ross-hes-a-good-painter-but-he-sucks-right/842690/49 "2019-10-31T08:23:57Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > To me it’s the other way around - anything can be defined as “art” if you ask the right critic, but actual technical skills take work. There’s a scene in Vonnegut’s [Bluebeard\*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluebeard_(Vonnegut_novel)) in which the dissatisfied wife of Abstract Expressionist Rabo Karabekian taunts her husband that he (along with the Abstract Expressionist friends he hangs out with) doesn’t actually have the technical skills to create representational art, and that’s why he falls back on such things as solid patches of color, with a contrasting-colored circle in the corner and calls it art. Karabekian’s response is to take a piece of charcoal and create portraits of their two sons on a slab of unpainted drywall in the kitchen. Awestruck, Mrs. Karabekian asks why he doesn’t do that all the time. His answer is that “it’s just too fucking _easy_.” A few pages later, she has decamped with both of their sons AND their portraits, which she removed from the drywall in the kitchen, using a hacksaw. \*It’s still in print, and has my full endorsement as a novel worth reading. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2019, 8:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-bob-ross-hes-a-good-painter-but-he-sucks-right/842690/50 "2019-10-31T08:37:41Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > There’s a scene in Vonnegut’s [Bluebeard\*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluebeard_(Vonnegut_novel)) in which the dissatisfied wife of Abstract Expressionist Rabo Karabekian taunts her husband that he (along with the Abstract Expressionist friends he hangs out with) doesn’t actually have the technical skills to create representational art, and that’s why he falls back on such things as solid patches of color, with a contrasting-colored circle in the corner and calls it art. Karabekian’s response is to take a piece of charcoal and create portraits of their two sons on a slab of unpainted drywall in the kitchen. > > Awestruck, Mrs. Karabekian asks why he doesn’t do that all the time. His answer is that “it’s just too fucking _easy_.” I would never denigrate Expressionist art - even a laymen like myself can see that that shit ain’t simple (also, I have a fondness for Miro). At the risk of sliding into cliche, I was referring to the more conceptual trends popularized over the past half-century or so. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2019, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-bob-ross-hes-a-good-painter-but-he-sucks-right/842690/51 "2019-10-31T11:58:51Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > In the first place the BART system doesn’t include the trolley cars. > > Now that I’ve got the killjoy business out of the way: > > No, he would have been [Thomas Kinkade](https://thomaskinkade.com/shop/limited-edition-art/san-francisco-powell-street-limited-edition-art/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIlPbuqf7F5QIVjcBkCh2y7gXCEAQYAyABEgK3hfD_BwE)… 😛 Yeah, I know. 😉 Frankly, I’m surprised this nitpick took so long! ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2019, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-bob-ross-hes-a-good-painter-but-he-sucks-right/842690/52 "2019-10-31T12:29:59Z")
With regards to Ross vs creators of modern art, Ross is more of a lifelong session musician versus a one hit wonder. He didn’t make great art because he wasn’t trying to make great art. The one hit wonders were trying to make art but usually failing, but their total output was more because you only have to succeed once. For every museum quality piece you see in a modern art wing there are probably a lot more that just aren’t up to that quality for many of the artists, and they certainly couldn’t make them in 30 minutes. (With the exception of Pollock I suspect, as every museum seems to have its own Pollock so there are probably lots to go around.) ---
**Author:** ![TimfromNapa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d26b3c/32.png) [@TimfromNapa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TimfromNapa)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2019, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-bob-ross-hes-a-good-painter-but-he-sucks-right/842690/53 "2019-10-31T20:41:15Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > I remember catching Bob Ross on PBS when flipping channels back in the 90s, and being just mesmerized: by his hair, his voice, his application of Prussian Blue and Van Dyke Brown and Sap Green with a two-inch brush to make a happy little tree in front of some mountains atop a crystal lake. > > The dude was a pot brownie in denim, and he made **gorgeous landscapes somehow magically appear out of nowhere upon an 18x24 canvas, gently brushed with liquid white.** Let me be clear: I have no artistic ability so I may be easily impressed. Also, I may have smoked my fair share of marijuana while channel surfing between the years of 1995 and 1999. > > I’ve begun watching these shows with my son and daughter on Hulu, and I’m still as mesmerized by ol’ Bob Ross and his fluffy 'fro and happy little clouds, but his art reminds me of something you’d see hanging on the wall of a Ramada in Jeff City Missouri or being sold along the back wall of a Goodwill in Fowlerville Michigan. > > So, I’ve come to the conclusion that Bob Ross is: 1) Relaxing and inoffensive to listen to, 2) An interesting character, and 3) A technically good painter. But, he’s basically a really shitty _artist_. He spits out these generic landscapes while lulling his viewers into a sense of wonder, making you say “Holy shit dude, that’s a fucking _pine tree_. _ **How did he do that?** _” And he did it all while wearing the same clothes for like 30 seasons. God bless him and his technique, but he basically sucked as someone who created _ART_, right? You can’t fairly judge Bob Ross as an artist on the basis of what you saw on his show. The purpose of his show was instruction. He demonstrated basic techniques that could enable anyone to paint a convincing landscape. He was not there to show the world how great an artiste he was and blow viewers’ sox off. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2019, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-bob-ross-hes-a-good-painter-but-he-sucks-right/842690/54 "2019-10-31T21:41:28Z")
> [@Dr.Colossus](#): > > Some people here ask if he painted other things, like people. His son is quoted as saying he never wanted to paint people. [At least one painting](https://imgur.com/gallery/ZiNG6vU) [has a person](https://digg.com/video/bob-ross-campfire-human). ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2019, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-bob-ross-hes-a-good-painter-but-he-sucks-right/842690/55 "2019-10-31T22:21:40Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > [At least one painting](https://imgur.com/gallery/ZiNG6vU) [has a person](https://digg.com/video/bob-ross-campfire-human). Looks like a scene from _ **Bambi** _. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2019, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-bob-ross-hes-a-good-painter-but-he-sucks-right/842690/56 "2019-10-31T23:19:14Z")
> [@RealityChuck](#): > > Ross was an art teacher. He never claimed to be an artist and never made a living doing fine art. Before the show, he made his money from painting on souvenir gold-mining pans in Alaska and from selling art supplies. > > His talent was for teaching and showing people how to create a passable amateur painting. That’s not easy. > > I personally preferred Bill Alexander – the guy who taught Ross all he knew – and, of course Jon Gnagy. I found Ross boring. I never watched Bob Ross…too old for his demographic but I watched Jon Nagy all the time as a kid. I think his show was only 15 minutes? I remember it being on before the Mighty Mouse cartoons on Saturday mornings. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2019, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-bob-ross-hes-a-good-painter-but-he-sucks-right/842690/57 "2019-10-31T23:32:59Z")
> [@carrps](#): > > I never watched Bob Ross…too old for his demographic Yeah, that is gibberish. ---
**Author:** ![Gorbag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ec9cab/32.png) [@Gorbag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorbag)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2019, 11:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-bob-ross-hes-a-good-painter-but-he-sucks-right/842690/58 "2019-11-01T11:36:54Z")
> [@crazyjoe](#): > > Webster’s definition of “scientist” simply states that it is someone who possesses expert knowledge in the natural or physical sciences. > > Being a scientist doesn’t mean you have a degree. > Being a mechanical engineer means you’ve studied Chemistry, Physics, and Calculus, and that you use the scientific method to test hypothesis with regards to mechanical devices, oftentimes needing to have deep knowledge of the physical properties of all of the substances used in the products you are testing (ie how much force can we place upon thi metal rod before it bends? breaks?) Anyone telling you a mechanical engineer is not a scientist is woefully misinformed. There is, in fact, a difference between science and engineering, which has to do with the goals of the two professions, and thus, how that knowledge is employed (or which branches of knowledge are learned). Engineers start with a goal - something they want to build, and a set of specifications, parameters or characteristics they wish to achieve. They then look at the stuff they already know about, and figure out how to combine those things in order to get what they want. This may involve inventing something new. Scientists start with a thing - something they observe, and try to determine the relevant characteristics about that. That is, they try to derive principles, laws, or relationships from something that is unknown or at least not fully known. Consider the difference between computer science, and computer eningeering. The former takes an abstract typically logically defined notion of a “computer” and derives principles from that. For instance algorithmic complexity, the advantage of qbits, etc. They are not concerned with the difference in heat dissipation of 64GB memory modules, and often can do much of their work without any actual computer at all. In many ways actual computers get in the way of the science - the interest isn’t how a particular DELL computer runs a search algorithm, but how quickly the memory usage grows as the size of the problem approaches infinity (something that would never be realizable on any physical machine). Computer engineers, however, are very concerned with the construction of actual computers, and thus make engineering trade-offs, e.g. power dissipation vs. signal delay on a bus, etc. These are factors typically ignored by computer scientists. Now you might argue knowing CS helps do CE and understanding CE can allow CS’s to build new kinds of machines to model or measure (for instance, processor in memory architectures, graph machines, etc.) that may not fit traditional von Neumann architectures. I’m not disagreeing with that. But the way they look at the world, the kinds of papers they will write and the contributions they make are different at a fairly fundamental level. That some engineers may do some science in the course of their efforts, and many scientists do some engineering (to build tools, or even build a new thing they want to observe) of course can and will happen. But that doesn’t make the two titles interchangeable, nor the sets of knowledge that enable those approaches interchangeable. ---
**Author:** ![tullsterx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e9bcb4/32.png) [@tullsterx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tullsterx)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2019, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-bob-ross-hes-a-good-painter-but-he-sucks-right/842690/59 "2019-11-01T15:10:43Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Bob Ross was a great artist in exactly the same way that Bill Nye is a great scientist. Yeah, that seems about right. I do wonder if he had his “real” art somewhere and his show art was just for the show. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2019, 10:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-bob-ross-hes-a-good-painter-but-he-sucks-right/842690/60 "2019-11-02T10:22:29Z")
> [@RealityChuck](#): > > More important is the attitude of the painters in the painting. None are painting it, a sign they don’t see it as anything special. We can only \*really \*see what TurbanDude is painting, and it doesn’t even appear to be any of the paintings in front of him. So I think you’re reading way too much into that aspect of it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-bob-ross-hes-a-good-painter-but-he-sucks-right/842690.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-bob-ross-hes-a-good-painter-but-he-sucks-right/842690.md?page=4)