# So Bruce Jener is LGBT - Who gives a F\*CK **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [April 26, 2015, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-bruce-jener-is-lgbt-who-gives-a-f-ck/718542 "2015-04-26T00:42:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-bruce-jener-is-lgbt-who-gives-a-f-ck/718542/141 "2015-04-28T02:49:34Z")
> [@Shagnasty](#): > > . . . Doesn’t a lot of transgender rhetoric go into direct opposition with feminist ideology? . . . It does seem to reinforce gender differences in society rather than to seek to minimize them. I prefer an ideal society where there aren’t any really important gender differences: both boys and girls can play with either/both dolls and guns. Suppose that there were no obvious societal differences. No preconceived roles in dress and costume, no traditional male or female jobs or roles. No patriarchal assumptions in corporate or political hierarchy. Then…what would changing sexes really mean? Why would anyone, then, want to “live as a woman” when they would already be doing so in every overt way? ---
**Author:** ![Teach-me-not](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a4c791/32.png) [@Teach-me-not](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Teach-me-not)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-bruce-jener-is-lgbt-who-gives-a-f-ck/718542/142 "2015-04-28T02:56:29Z")
> [@faithfool](#): > > His kids aren’t important to him anymore because he’s waited _sixty five freaking years_ to transition and do something for himself? What?? Ya, this seems to be a new “argument” for bigotry: “But think about the kids!!” :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-bruce-jener-is-lgbt-who-gives-a-f-ck/718542/143 "2015-04-28T02:57:44Z")
> [@Teach-me-not](#): > > Ya, this seems to be a new “argument” for bigotry: “But think about the kids!!” :rolleyes: The poster was talking about the testicles, not the kids. ---
**Author:** ![Teach-me-not](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a4c791/32.png) [@Teach-me-not](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Teach-me-not)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-bruce-jener-is-lgbt-who-gives-a-f-ck/718542/144 "2015-04-28T03:01:43Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > The poster was talking about the testicles, not the kids. Uh, I misread. But hey, at least I am not the only one. 🙂 Apologies to **Aquadementia** (hope I spelled it right). ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-bruce-jener-is-lgbt-who-gives-a-f-ck/718542/145 "2015-04-28T03:34:43Z")
Mugger: “Your kids or your testicles!” Jack Benny: “I’m thinking! I’m thinking!” ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-bruce-jener-is-lgbt-who-gives-a-f-ck/718542/146 "2015-04-28T04:26:56Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > I don’t know why you are taking such an obnoxious tone with me when all I’ve said is I’m doing my best to understand this condition as fully and completely as I can. Because what you’re saying is inane. It’s like learning that the capital of Montana is Helena and saying, “Whoa, I need to wrap my mind around this.” Bruce Jenner suffers from gender dysphoria and is taking the appropriate medical steps towards a healthy mind and body congruence. What else is there to get? ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-bruce-jener-is-lgbt-who-gives-a-f-ck/718542/147 "2015-04-28T04:36:14Z")
> [@Jinx](#): > > It matters to me because I grew up with Jenner on every box of Wheaties. All the kids were told to “Eat Your Wheaties” and grow up to be just like him. I mean, he was iconic to Wheaties and power like Popeye was to spinach. This is heartbreaking IMHO. But, more than that, it is puzzling to me if he felt THAT uncomfortable in a man’s body, how could he fake it and excel at it? Have you ever tried to do something you hate? He should have been a depressed recluse, not a public figure. Why would he strive to be such a super athlete? None of this makes any sense. I’m sorry, but I need a lot of time to accept this. The whole world is turning upside down. He excelled at being an athlete, not at being the world’s definition of A MAN. I’m sorry you are so deeply affected by another human’s choice to make themselves more comfortable in their own skin. ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-bruce-jener-is-lgbt-who-gives-a-f-ck/718542/148 "2015-04-28T04:49:32Z")
When I was a kid, O.J. Simpson was one of several people held up to me as a success story. I didn’t have much trouble reassessing him in 1994. Bruce Jenner hasn’t killed anyone. ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-bruce-jener-is-lgbt-who-gives-a-f-ck/718542/149 "2015-04-28T04:54:14Z")
> [@panache45](#): > > This. > > Or, in my case, if just ONE person had come out in the early 60s. I came out in 1963, and as far as I knew I was the only openly gay person in the world. > > It’s a lot easier to deal with things, if you know others have dealt with them, and survived. Bruce Jenner is just one, in a long line of transgendered folk. But he makes it a little easier for those who follow. There are parallels between his journey and that of a gay person, and if his story furthers understanding, it benefits us all. Paul Lynn most certainly was “out”. And damn, he was funny. ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-bruce-jener-is-lgbt-who-gives-a-f-ck/718542/150 "2015-04-28T05:10:24Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > Paul Lynn most certainly was “out”. And damn, he was funny. Paul Lynde. And I don’t believe he ever came out. I don’t think that was possible back in the 60s/70s: although I’m sure everyone suspected it. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-bruce-jener-is-lgbt-who-gives-a-f-ck/718542/151 "2015-04-28T05:21:50Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Because what you’re saying is inane. It’s like learning that the capital of Montana is Helena and saying, “Whoa, I need to wrap my mind around this.” Bruce Jenner suffers from gender dysphoria and is taking the appropriate medical steps towards a healthy mind and body congruence. What else is there to get? Ok. I see. Since we aren’t in the Pit, no further comment. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 7:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-bruce-jener-is-lgbt-who-gives-a-f-ck/718542/152 "2015-04-28T07:15:51Z")
[http://static2.nydailynews.com/polopoly\_fs/1.2201323.1430187216!/img/httpImage/image.jpg\_gen/derivatives/index\_635\_390/april-28-2015.jpg](http://static2.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2201323.1430187216!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/index_635_390/april-28-2015.jpg) Sums it up nicely. Most folks really don’t care and just wish Bruce or whatever her name is would just fade away. There’s too many other important newsworthy events to focus on. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 9:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-bruce-jener-is-lgbt-who-gives-a-f-ck/718542/153 "2015-04-28T09:57:19Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Because what you’re saying is inane. It’s like learning that the capital of Montana is Helena and saying, “Whoa, I need to wrap my mind around this.” Bruce Jenner suffers from gender dysphoria and is taking the appropriate medical steps towards a healthy mind and body congruence. What else is there to get? There’s a difference between an intellectual understanding of facts - “Bruce Jenner has stated he is transgender and is transitioning to being a woman” - and _emotional_ understanding of someone else’s viewpoint and motivation for taking an action. I believe the latter is the one Ambivalid is having some difficulty with. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 10:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-bruce-jener-is-lgbt-who-gives-a-f-ck/718542/154 "2015-04-28T10:22:39Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > [http://static2.nydailynews.com/polopoly\_fs/1.2201323.1430187216!/img/httpImage/image.jpg\_gen/derivatives/index\_635\_390/april-28-2015.jpg](http://static2.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2201323.1430187216!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/index_635_390/april-28-2015.jpg) > > Sums it up nicely. Most folks really don’t care and just wish Bruce or whatever her name is would just fade away. There’s too many other important newsworthy events to focus on. Lots of people _do_ care about Bruce Jenner though, for a variety of reasons. And having THE US Olympic athlete of the 1970s announce that he’s transitioning to being a woman is definitely newsworthy. There’s lots of stuff on the news I don’t personally care about. That’s why God also gave us the ability to transition to a different television channel. ---
**Author:** ![stpauler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@stpauler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stpauler)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-bruce-jener-is-lgbt-who-gives-a-f-ck/718542/155 "2015-04-28T12:11:49Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Bruce Jenner became a joke and a sell out when he joined up with the Kardashians. The latest media hype is just sad. > > I could care less if he wants to chop off his dick and grow boobs. More power to [DEL]him[/DEL] her. Please, please STFU up about it. OK? I don’t want to see those headlines every time I open a news site. > [@aceplace57](#): > > [http://static2.nydailynews.com/polopoly\_fs/1.2201323.1430187216!/img/httpImage/image.jpg\_gen/derivatives/index\_635\_390/april-28-2015.jpg](http://static2.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2201323.1430187216!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/index_635_390/april-28-2015.jpg) > > Sums it up nicely. Most folks really don’t care and just wish Bruce or whatever her name is would just fade away. There’s too many other important newsworthy events to focus on. For someone who doesn’t care and doesn’t want to see this and would rather focus on something more “newsworthy” and is claiming that “most folks don’t care”, you sure are repeating this notion that you don’t care. Will you be back tomorrow to post how you and most everyone else doesn’t care as well? ---
**Author:** ![Omega\_Glory](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7c8e57/32.png) [@Omega\_Glory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omega_Glory)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-bruce-jener-is-lgbt-who-gives-a-f-ck/718542/156 "2015-04-28T12:21:30Z")
> [@SpoilerVirgin](#): > > He hasn’t switched pronouns because he is currently presenting to the world as male. The interview with Diane Sawyer is intended to be the last time he presents as male in public. He is going to try to begin living as female, and once he publicly presents as female, female pronouns will be appropriate. Thanks. I haven’t been following the story, beyond snippets on the news, but I’ve been curious about that. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-bruce-jener-is-lgbt-who-gives-a-f-ck/718542/157 "2015-04-28T12:34:26Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Because what you’re saying is inane. It’s like learning that the capital of Montana is Helena and saying, “Whoa, I need to wrap my mind around this.” Bruce Jenner suffers from gender dysphoria and is taking the appropriate medical steps towards a healthy mind and body congruence. What else is there to get? I think it’s more akin to learning that the capital of Montana is now Harold, and secretly was Harold all along, despite what we were told all our lives and what all the maps say. It wouldn’t affect most of us personally, but there would be at least a moment of “wait, what?” ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-bruce-jener-is-lgbt-who-gives-a-f-ck/718542/158 "2015-04-28T12:57:33Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Bruce Jenner became a joke and a sell out when he joined up with the Kardashians. Let me get this straight. He “joined up” with the Kardashians in 1991 by marrying the former Kris Kardashian and then waited for sixteen years before the eponymous reality show premiered in 2007. They only divorced last month. And this was all in pursuit of fame and selling out? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-bruce-jener-is-lgbt-who-gives-a-f-ck/718542/159 "2015-04-28T13:16:27Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > I think it’s more akin to learning that the capital of Montana is now Harold, and secretly was Harold all along, despite what we were told all our lives and what all the maps say. > > It wouldn’t affect most of us personally, but there would be at least a moment of “wait, what?” I think the lesson here is not to care about what the capital of Montana is. I may be overthinking this, though. ---
**Author:** ![stpauler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@stpauler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stpauler)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-bruce-jener-is-lgbt-who-gives-a-f-ck/718542/160 "2015-04-28T13:34:17Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > I think the lesson here is not to care about what the capital of Montana is. I may be overthinking this, though. Or it could just be nobody’s business but the Turks. /Istanbullllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-bruce-jener-is-lgbt-who-gives-a-f-ck/718542.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-bruce-jener-is-lgbt-who-gives-a-f-ck/718542.md?page=9)