# So Bruce Jener is LGBT - Who gives a F\*CK **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [April 26, 2015, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-bruce-jener-is-lgbt-who-gives-a-f-ck/718542 "2015-04-26T00:42:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-bruce-jener-is-lgbt-who-gives-a-f-ck/718542/161 "2015-04-28T14:20:47Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Let me get this straight. He “joined up” with the Kardashians in 1991 by marrying the former Kris Kardashian and then waited for sixteen years before the eponymous reality show premiered in 2007. They only divorced last month. And this was all in pursuit of fame and selling out? It’s all about the long game, man. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-bruce-jener-is-lgbt-who-gives-a-f-ck/718542/162 "2015-04-28T14:48:46Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > I think the lesson here is not to care about what the capital of Montana is. Essentially. My impression is that many trans people and their supporters are eager to jump directly to a world where gender transition is not just not denounced, but is a complete non-event. Like a new hairstyle, maybe worth a casual passing comment, if noticed at all. The impatience is understandable, but we’re not there yet, particularly when it’s a well-known public figure. And anyone who’s reaching for torches and pitchforks because I implied that transitioning is as capricious a choice as changing hairstyles— don’t. I’m talking about people’s reaction to the change, not the change itself. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-bruce-jener-is-lgbt-who-gives-a-f-ck/718542/163 "2015-04-28T14:55:51Z")
You know, on the one or two occasions a year where you post something serious it’s usually pretty good. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-bruce-jener-is-lgbt-who-gives-a-f-ck/718542/164 "2015-04-28T15:04:20Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Most folks really don’t care and just wish Bruce or whatever her name is would just fade away. You might and that’s okay, but saying most people do borders on insulting. Especially phrased like that. ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-bruce-jener-is-lgbt-who-gives-a-f-ck/718542/165 "2015-04-28T15:15:46Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > [http://static2.nydailynews.com/polopoly\_fs/1.2201323.1430187216!/img/httpImage/image.jpg\_gen/derivatives/index\_635\_390/april-28-2015.jpg](http://static2.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2201323.1430187216!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/index_635_390/april-28-2015.jpg) > > Sums it up nicely. Most folks really don’t care and just wish Bruce or whatever her name is would just fade away. There’s too many other important newsworthy events to focus on. The _Daily Mail_ posts nothing but shit stories that are less newsworthy than anything else every day. And every day you bring those shit stories over to the Dope and start threads on them and wring your hands about these faux serious situations. [Like a kid who was a bit player on a TV show 10 years ago kills himself and that is totally share-able news that we should all pay attention to and have a discussion about.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=755247) But a multi-generational public figure is bringing to light a serious issue that can mean life or death to many people? And one that has affected other members of this board, and an issue that one of your fellow members is dealing with _right now_. And you think it needs to be swept under the rug because it, what, bores you? Or maybe it squicks you out? Suddenly you’re a purveyor of what is important and newsworthy? Yeah right. ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-bruce-jener-is-lgbt-who-gives-a-f-ck/718542/166 "2015-04-28T15:28:02Z")
LavenderBlue: > [@](#): > > What we really need is for a Duggar to disavow the whole breed up twenty kids shit. There’s at least a couple hundred of them. At least one of them must be something other than straight. Why would you think so? Whatever genetic or environmental factors cause a person to be gay or straight, all the Duggar children have pretty much in common. In a random population, it’s possible to guess that a certain percentage are gay people, but a single family (however large) isn’t a random sampling. ---
**Author:** ![Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/6bbea6/32.png) [@Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Living_Well_Is_Best_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-bruce-jener-is-lgbt-who-gives-a-f-ck/718542/167 "2015-04-28T15:31:16Z")
God help us if aceplace57 ever became a purveyor of anything. ---
**Author:** ![scootergirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e99b99/32.png) [@scootergirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scootergirl)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-bruce-jener-is-lgbt-who-gives-a-f-ck/718542/168 "2015-04-28T15:38:15Z")
With the exception of just a few on this thread, I am impressed by the amount of folks who truly are trying to understand both intellectually and emotionally. It’s not easy. Not for most of us. Every person that makes a real effort to educate themselves, can potentially help build a path and future with less discrimination, and fear of transgender people. You never know (until it does) when it can happen in your own family. And then, something that you have felt very much removed from your whole life is up close and personal. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-bruce-jener-is-lgbt-who-gives-a-f-ck/718542/169 "2015-04-28T15:47:45Z")
> [@cmkeller](#): > > Whatever genetic or environmental factors cause a person to be gay or straight, all the Duggar children have pretty much in common. In a random population, it’s possible to guess that a certain percentage are gay people, but a single family (however large) isn’t a random sampling. The environmental factors, whatever they are, are apparently not things like “parenting”. For example, there is a [well-documented](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birth_order#Sexuality) increase in the prevalence of homosexuality in males who have older male siblings. This appears to be linked to a chemical change in the mother. ---
**Author:** ![sciurophobic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cab0a1/32.png) [@sciurophobic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sciurophobic)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-bruce-jener-is-lgbt-who-gives-a-f-ck/718542/170 "2015-04-28T17:06:42Z")
So Bruce Jenner enjoys heterosexual intercourse with women while at the same time feeling like his body shouldn’t have the anatomy that allows him to do that? Or is gender dysphoria not always accompanied by revulsion to one’s genitalia? ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-bruce-jener-is-lgbt-who-gives-a-f-ck/718542/171 "2015-04-28T17:09:47Z")
> [@Rilchiam](#): > > When I was a kid, O.J. Simpson was one of several people held up to me as a success story. I didn’t have much trouble reassessing him in 1994. Bruce Jenner hasn’t killed anyone. Actually he sorta did… ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-bruce-jener-is-lgbt-who-gives-a-f-ck/718542/172 "2015-04-28T17:11:05Z")
Okay, but not as a result of transitioning. ---
**Author:** ![Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/6bbea6/32.png) [@Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Living_Well_Is_Best_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-bruce-jener-is-lgbt-who-gives-a-f-ck/718542/173 "2015-04-28T17:15:40Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > Actually he sorta did… Haha I was going to say the same thing. ---
**Author:** ![SpoilerVirgin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4491bb/32.png) [@SpoilerVirgin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SpoilerVirgin)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-bruce-jener-is-lgbt-who-gives-a-f-ck/718542/174 "2015-04-28T17:25:24Z")
> [@sciurophobic](#): > > So Bruce Jenner enjoys heterosexual intercourse with women while at the same time feeling like his body shouldn’t have the anatomy that allows him to do that? Or is gender dysphoria not always accompanied by revulsion to one’s genitalia? Exactly. Many people who are transgender and want to live their lives in a gender different to the one that matches their genitalia do so without having sexual reassignment surgery. It’s ultimately not about sexual activity or sexual equipment; it’s about who you feel you are. As Jenner put it, he has the soul of a woman. He can want to live as a woman even if he keeps the genitalia he was born with - he said in the interview that he’s 65, and content to be asexual for now as he figures things out. ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-bruce-jener-is-lgbt-who-gives-a-f-ck/718542/175 "2015-04-28T18:11:47Z")
Really Not All That Bright: > [@](#): > > For example, there is a well-documented increase in the prevalence of homosexuality in males who have older male siblings. This appears to be linked to a chemical change in the mother. Interesting theory, I’d never heard about this before. ---
**Author:** ![purplehearingaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7bcc69/32.png) [@purplehearingaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/purplehearingaid)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-bruce-jener-is-lgbt-who-gives-a-f-ck/718542/176 "2015-04-28T18:42:53Z")
Yeah I am more concerned with what is going on in the world than what dress Bruce want to wear today. ---
**Author:** ![SpoilerVirgin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4491bb/32.png) [@SpoilerVirgin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SpoilerVirgin)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-bruce-jener-is-lgbt-who-gives-a-f-ck/718542/177 "2015-04-28T18:46:56Z")
> [@cmkeller](#): > > Interesting theory, I’d never heard about this before. Here is the [Wikipedia article](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraternal_birth_order_and_male_sexual_orientation) with links to the various scientific studies. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-bruce-jener-is-lgbt-who-gives-a-f-ck/718542/178 "2015-04-28T18:51:43Z")
> [@purplehearingaid](#): > > Yeah I am more concerned with what is going on in the world than what dress Bruce want to wear today. So am I but, not having the intelligence of a lesser monkey, I can be concerned about multiple things at the same time. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-bruce-jener-is-lgbt-who-gives-a-f-ck/718542/179 "2015-04-28T19:01:36Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > You might and that’s okay, but saying most people do borders on insulting. Especially phrased like that. You did notice the thread title? _So Bruce Jener is LGBT - Who gives a F_CK\* That’s an open invitation for people to say, **I don’t.** I would have ignored this thread if it been a normal, hooray for trannys thread and aren’t they so cool. Because obviously everybody participating would be high-fiving themselves for being so progressive and understanding. I would have ignored the thread because I don’t thread shit. But this thread’s title invited everybody to the party. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-bruce-jener-is-lgbt-who-gives-a-f-ck/718542/180 "2015-04-28T19:07:03Z")
When you repeatedly announce that you don’t give a fuck, it becomes obvious that you do, in fact, give a fuck. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-bruce-jener-is-lgbt-who-gives-a-f-ck/718542.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-bruce-jener-is-lgbt-who-gives-a-f-ck/718542.md?page=10)