# So-called 'abused' prisoners = The beheaders **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 12, 2004, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-called-abused-prisoners-the-beheaders/244714 "2004-05-12T01:31:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Unregistered\_Bull](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3da27b/32.png) [@Unregistered\_Bull](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unregistered_Bull)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2004, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-called-abused-prisoners-the-beheaders/244714/121 "2004-05-13T02:27:20Z")
> [@Hail Ants](#): > > I don’t bother posting in The Pit because of insightful musing such as these. > > Yes, you’re right. Bush is Hitler, those prison guards are his jack-booted SS troops, the US is the cause of all the evil in the world… No. But you probably would have been a good canidate for the SS. ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2004, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-called-abused-prisoners-the-beheaders/244714/122 "2004-05-13T02:40:23Z")
> [@GLWasteful](#): > > Y’know, when Jesus watches you read tripe like this, it makes him roll over in his grave. Y’know, Jesus isn’t in his grave, which is rather the point. Just sayin’ and all 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Hail\_Ants](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/dc4da7/32.png) [@Hail\_Ants](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hail_Ants)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2004, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-called-abused-prisoners-the-beheaders/244714/123 "2004-05-13T02:49:14Z")
Jeez, what are you people, like 15 or 16 (another reason The Pit is a waste of time). If you think anything I’ve said or linked deserves to be called nazi-ish, you are the most over-sensitive liberal douches ever… ---
**Author:** ![GLWasteful](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f05b48/32.png) [@GLWasteful](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GLWasteful)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2004, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-called-abused-prisoners-the-beheaders/244714/124 "2004-05-13T03:19:39Z")
**Hail Ants** : > [@](#): > > Yes, you’re right. Bush is Hitler, those prison guards are his jack-booted SS troops, the US is the cause of all the evil in the world… Tell ya what, Skip. Point out to me one fucking instance where I in any way shape or form intimated that Bush (who I certainly don’t care for, but I imagine that most have figured that out by now) is like Hitler. I’m waiting. . . That’s what I thought. Now, if you don’t mind, show me where I said anything that could ever, in any version of reality, including youurs, that favorably compared the Abu Ghraib guards to SS troops. I thought not. Are you ever going to do **anything** besides strew the ground behind you with strawmen as you flee? Or are you actually going to address some of the people who have pointed out to you the blatant ignorance that you have displayed so very magnificently? Again, I thought not. I thank the fates that those such as you don’t control anything even remotely resembling foreign policy. Or else the globe might glow green and I’d hafta tell people I was from Canada. You are a waste of air. Waste ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Love](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e8c25b/32.png) [@Dr.Love](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Love)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2004, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-called-abused-prisoners-the-beheaders/244714/125 "2004-05-13T04:58:28Z")
> [@Hail Ants](#): > > Jeez, what are you people, like 15 or 16 (another reason The Pit is a waste of time). If you think anything I’ve said or linked deserves to be called nazi-ish, you are the most over-sensitive liberal douches ever… Well, I’ll give it a try, so, here are nazi-ish quotes from your original post: > [@Hail Ants](#): > > I retract any statements I made before about their treatment being wrong. These worthless scumbags deserved everything they got & more. They **deserve to be spit on, pissed on, shit on, having their little schlongs laughed at by a woman.** > > Because these are the **same people who literally just butchered a totally innocent civilian alive** for a camera and had fun doing it. > > They don’t even deserve the dignity or expense of a bullet to the head. **They should be chained en-mass to an iron girder and thown into the sea.** (my bolding) The first point is this: None of the people improsoned at Abu Ghraib were the ones who murdered Berg, simply proven by the fact that the prisoners were detained at Abu Ghraib when the murder took place. Secondly, current evidence says that 70-90% of the prisoners at Abu Ghraib were detained there by mistake, and thus cannot be indirectly linked to Berg’s murder. So, lets look at these points taken together. Your plan is to have hundreds of people killed, the vast majority of whom had no connection to the crime in question. In fact, from the way you posted, it seems that all you wanna do is kill some Arabs as revenge for the death of Berg. Which is, coincidentally, strikingly similar to what the Al Qaeda operatives in question did: kill one random American who had nothing to do with the torture that took place at Abu Ghraib. Does that make sense? ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2004, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-called-abused-prisoners-the-beheaders/244714/126 "2004-05-13T05:03:30Z")
> [@Brutus](#): > > If a certain culture feels that forcing a man wearing panties or to rollick about with other naked men is worse than _having your fucking head cut off_, then said culture is fucked, and in dire need of updating. My dear **Brutus** , surely you must see the falseness of this statement. While I would agree that having your head cut off is as bad as it gets, there are many indivuals and cultures for which this isn’t so. And one of them is our culture. “Give me liberty or give me death”. Doesn’t this suggest that living without our freedom is worse than death? There are many who value their honor and/or dignity more than their lives, and to be stripped of their honor and/or dignity, as _they_ define it, could be considered a fate _worse_ than death. And, sadly, being raped, sodomized or tortured, or all of the above, might certainly be seen as stripping someone of their honor and/or dignity. Do you see what I’m getting at, or have I botched it again? ---
**Author:** ![ITR\_champion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c67d28/32.png) [@ITR\_champion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ITR_champion)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2004, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-called-abused-prisoners-the-beheaders/244714/127 "2004-05-13T05:21:53Z")
> [@flickster](#): > > Funny thing **ITR** , those words do not apear in Diogenes’ response to my post at all. So I guess we now know who the “deliberately disingenuous fuck” is. Well **Diogenes** did in fact use the words “deliberately disingenuous fuck”, though in rereading it appears that they weren’t actually directed against you. However, don’t ask me why, but i’ve got a funny feeling that he would be perfectly okay with labelling you as a “deliberately disingenuous fuck”. Of course I may be wrong. If **Diogenes** posts a message saying that he was deeply offended by my erroneous description of his quote, then I’ll humbly apologize to him. However, since you are now taking cites from an organization that [wants](http://www.kacvtv.org/local/media/media13.shtml) Osama bin Laden and Al Queda to triumph and destroy the United States, I don’t think I’ll feel too guilty about hurting your feelings. > [@](#): > > Jeez, what are you people, like 15 or 16 (another reason The Pit is a waste of time). If you think anything I’ve said or linked deserves to be called nazi-ish, you are the most over-sensitive liberal douches ever… I’ll take that as a compliment. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2004, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-called-abused-prisoners-the-beheaders/244714/128 "2004-05-13T05:42:19Z")
> [@athelas](#): > > You must answer both questions yes or both no. If you expect the US to be judged more harshly than the terrorists, you must also acknowledge that the US is morally superior. If you say no - they just be judged according to the same standard, then you must also agree that they are roughly equivalent in terms of moral standards. Tricky question, I admit. If yes, and we are morally superior, then we \*really, really \* dropped the ball when we hired killers, rapists and in-general perverts to be prison guards in Iraq. Not to mention that whole ‘invasion under false pretense’ thing. Our collective faces must be red. If no, and we are equivalent in terms of moral standards, then a video taped beheading should not cause such a stir in you, sir. Or perhaps it is that your question presents somthing of a [false dichotomy.](http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?FalseDichotomy) ---
**Author:** ![Hail\_Ants](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/dc4da7/32.png) [@Hail\_Ants](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hail_Ants)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2004, 10:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-called-abused-prisoners-the-beheaders/244714/129 "2004-05-13T10:27:32Z")
Let me **really** leave this Pit crap with a bang. I’ve just had the pleasure of watching the unedited Nick Berg video. **Fuck these people.** Just as every German wasn’t a Nazi and every Japanese not Tojo we still carpet bombed them into the stone age day & night. Because that’s what you do in war. Watching these savages saw off Berg’s head and shriek and yodel to their pig god while he screams in agony, I couldn’t fucking care less how many Iraqis got fucked in the ass with flourescent tubes. Next time wrap them with barbed wire first. Let this be a lesson to every Arab muslim in the world. You are all going to pay for 9/11 for decades to come! Or maybe I need to switch to decaf… :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2004, 10:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-called-abused-prisoners-the-beheaders/244714/130 "2004-05-13T10:42:01Z")
> [@Senggüm](#): > > we should A-bomb these cockroaches too! I won’t even try to understand, as you suggest, this “difference.” A A-bomb to kill 5 people? Seems a lot to me… Except of course if what you were doing was advocating genocide of the Iraki people… ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2004, 10:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-called-abused-prisoners-the-beheaders/244714/131 "2004-05-13T10:47:16Z")
> [@Hail Ants](#): > > Let this be a lesson to every Arab muslim in the world. You are all going to pay for 9/11 for decades to come! > > Or maybe I need to switch to decaf… :rolleyes: You understand the mind set of the people who flew those planes into the WTC quite well. You hatefilled cunt of a human being. ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2004, 10:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-called-abused-prisoners-the-beheaders/244714/132 "2004-05-13T10:49:41Z")
Oh and if as reported there are pics or videos of Americans **killing** Iraqis you surely wouldn’t have a problem with Iraqis going after Americans for decades to come would you? ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2004, 10:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-called-abused-prisoners-the-beheaders/244714/133 "2004-05-13T10:51:06Z")
**Hail Ants** , your posts disturb me greatly. Your assertion that Iraqis should be killed _en masse_ based on the barbaric actions of non-Iraqi terrorists (in a situation largely of the US’s making) makes your opinion tremendously similar to the opinions of the supporters of terrorists. I really feel that you have succumbed to your anger to the degree of psychopathy. Really, I think you need to talk to a head doctor. ---
**Author:** ![Sevastopol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cdc98d/32.png) [@Sevastopol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sevastopol)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2004, 11:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-called-abused-prisoners-the-beheaders/244714/134 "2004-05-13T11:11:30Z")
> [@Hail Ants](#): > > Let me **really** leave this Pit crap with a bang. > > I’ve just had the pleasure of watching the unedited Nick Berg video. > > **Fuck these people.** > > Just as every German wasn’t a Nazi and every Japanese not Tojo we still carpet bombed them into the stone age day & night. Because that’s what you do in war. > > Watching these savages saw off Berg’s head and shriek and yodel to their pig god while he screams in agony, I couldn’t fucking care less how many Iraqis got fucked in the ass with flourescent tubes. Next time wrap them with barbed wire first. > > Let this be a lesson to every Arab muslim in the world. You are all going to pay for 9/11 for decades to come! > > Or maybe I need to switch to decaf… :rolleyes: To be contrary, this is a valuable and insightful post. It’s a cry from the heartland that that the Pro-War folks were able to exploit so easily. Generally, the similarly minded have enough inhibition to dress it up in some sort of rationalisation for polite company, then argue that to the bitter end, facts and the usual stuff notwithstanding. But you know, there’s a reason the War rationale couldn’t stand up in a bat’s sneeze. It’s been a nod and wink to those many Americans like HA, who were comforted to understand the administration felt the same way. And it is _many_ Americans who hold the same violent & racist & cowardly views. It’s in the national character dammit, be proud of who we are. HA I embrace you. [Aside]Hail Ants: What an appropriate name, sorta in a militaristic mindless-drone kinda way. I have even money on parody, can be a bit of a no-no in the pit. ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2004, 11:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-called-abused-prisoners-the-beheaders/244714/135 "2004-05-13T11:13:56Z")
You sir, are an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Sevastopol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cdc98d/32.png) [@Sevastopol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sevastopol)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2004, 11:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-called-abused-prisoners-the-beheaders/244714/136 "2004-05-13T11:22:23Z")
With running hot and cold irony tonight it’s hard to be sure what the peoples mean. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2004, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-called-abused-prisoners-the-beheaders/244714/137 "2004-05-13T12:49:58Z")
> [@](#): > > Watching these savages saw off Berg’s head and shriek and yodel to their pig god while he screams in agony, I couldn’t fucking care less how many Iraqis got fucked in the ass with flourescent tubes. Next time wrap them with barbed wire first. > > Let this be a lesson to every Arab muslim in the world. You are all going to pay for 9/11 for decades to come! Geez, **HA** , maybe you oughtta watch a little less TV (yeah, and switch to decaf). By the logic of what you are saying above, if someone had shown you a video of [Clara Harris](http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/metropolitan/1741377) running down her husband with the family Mercedes, I guess you’d be howling for the extermination of all middle-aged, upper middle-class Texas women. Jeepers, can’t you see how stupidly you’ve been behaving? ---
**Author:** ![Sevastopol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cdc98d/32.png) [@Sevastopol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sevastopol)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2004, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-called-abused-prisoners-the-beheaders/244714/138 "2004-05-13T13:07:15Z")
Shhh, don’t scare it off. We should keep HA in a cage like a canary, to see what mainstream GOP America is thinking. Perhaps with a small bell. ---
**Author:** ![Mauvaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mauvaise/32/11084_2.png) [@Mauvaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mauvaise)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2004, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-called-abused-prisoners-the-beheaders/244714/139 "2004-05-13T13:19:38Z")
Perhaps if Hail Ants feels so strongly about the cause, he should enlist in the military service of his choice and head on over there. Kill him some Arabs. Rah Rah Rah. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Desmostylus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c57346/32.png) [@Desmostylus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Desmostylus)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2004, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-called-abused-prisoners-the-beheaders/244714/140 "2004-05-13T13:40:04Z")
> [@sevastopol](#): > > Shhh, don’t scare it off. We should keep HA in a cage like a canary, to see what mainstream GOP America is thinking. Perhaps with a small bell. This isn’t mainstream GOP America. And it sounds more like a chickenhawk than a canary. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-called-abused-prisoners-the-beheaders/244714.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-called-abused-prisoners-the-beheaders/244714.md?page=8)