# So-called 'abused' prisoners = The beheaders **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 12, 2004, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-called-abused-prisoners-the-beheaders/244714 "2004-05-12T01:31:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![flickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7bcc69/32.png) [@flickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flickster)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2004, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-called-abused-prisoners-the-beheaders/244714/161 "2004-05-14T02:10:14Z")
I’ll stick with “as of yet unconfirmed reports of rape and murder” > [@](#): > > He later told reporters, “The American public needs to understand we’re talking about rape and murder here. We’re not just talking about giving people a humiliating experience.” > > He did not elaborate, but a Senate aide, speaking on condition of anonymity, said senators have been told videotapes are believed to exist showing rape and the corpses of what are possibly murder victims. The tapes were described in an additional part of an investigative report. The Pentagon has not yet submitted that additional part of the report to senators, the aide said. So in other words they haven’t actually seen them and Graham is just passing along heresay. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2004, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-called-abused-prisoners-the-beheaders/244714/162 "2004-05-14T02:15:11Z")
> [@Hail Ants](#): > > Jeez, what are you people, like 15 or 16 (another reason The Pit is a waste of time). If you think anything I’ve said or linked deserves to be called nazi-ish, you are the most over-sensitive liberal douches ever… For the duration of this thread, Godwin’s Law is hereby revoked. ---
**Author:** ![flickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7bcc69/32.png) [@flickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flickster)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2004, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-called-abused-prisoners-the-beheaders/244714/163 "2004-05-14T02:21:30Z")
> [@ITR champion](#): > > By the way, I’d still love to hear your reaction to the WND commentary that praises bin Laden and advocates mass murder of American civilians. My characterization of them as lying shitheads still stands. I’ve scanned through their Commentary archive and haven’t been able to locate anything like this. Care to provide a link or do you just want to continue calling everyone names? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2004, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-called-abused-prisoners-the-beheaders/244714/164 "2004-05-14T02:24:04Z")
> [@flickster](#): > > I’ll stick with “as of yet unconfirmed reports of rape and murder” > > So in other words they haven’t actually seen them and Graham is just passing along heresay. They were told by the _Pentagon_. Is the Pentagon lying? Are they unreliable? Are they making this stuff up or exaggerating? If so, why? ---
**Author:** ![flickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7bcc69/32.png) [@flickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flickster)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2004, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-called-abused-prisoners-the-beheaders/244714/165 "2004-05-14T02:32:42Z")
Can you say with 100% certainty that the fake photos which have been circulating around aren’t mixed in with the photos the Pentagon has been going through. Maybe that’s why they haven’t been released yet - efforts are still underway to sort the real from the fake. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2004, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-called-abused-prisoners-the-beheaders/244714/166 "2004-05-14T03:03:20Z")
> [@flickster](#): > > Can you say with 100% certainty that the fake photos which have been circulating around aren’t mixed in with the photos the Pentagon has been going through. Maybe that’s why they haven’t been released yet - efforts are still underway to sort the real from the fake. How could fakes- fakes that were put together _after_ the other photos had already been collected- get mixed in with the Iraqi prison photos? None of the photos _from Iraq_ are in question. Someone sent fakes to a newspaper. They weren’t from the same pool as the Iraq photos. ---
**Author:** ![ITR\_champion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c67d28/32.png) [@ITR\_champion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ITR_champion)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2004, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-called-abused-prisoners-the-beheaders/244714/167 "2004-05-14T03:05:54Z")
> [@](#): > > I’ve scanned through their Commentary archive and haven’t been able to locate anything like this. Care to provide a link or do you just want to continue calling everyone names? The link was already provided; see post number 127 of this very thread. As I’ve always said, it’s amazing what happens when you read the thread before you respond. Doesn’t surprise me much to learn that they removed the incriminating evidence from their site, however. Luckily others kept copies of it. We’ve also discussed it many times on this very board. > [@flickster](#): > > Can you say with 100% certainty that the fake photos which have been circulating around aren’t mixed in with the photos the Pentagon has been going through. Maybe that’s why they haven’t been released yet - efforts are still underway to sort the real from the fake. Yes. I can say that with one hundred percent certainty, and if I am not right then you may drag this thread up to subject me to endless humiliation. Look. The story that you dragged up about fake photos is a story about a silly prank that due to poor editing managed to make it into one single newspaper, out of the thousands of news sources in the country. To say that those forgeries are “circulating” is not an accurate assessment of the situation. That story is not in any way, shape, or form relating to the photos that Rumsfield described to Congress, photos which Rumsfield himself apparently believes with total certainty to be genuine. Now is it possible that Rumsfield got duped? I suppose, but I find it rather unlikely considering that he would surely have leapt on any hint of incorrectness if it existed. For you to wave your silly story about _one_ article in _one_ paper as an excuse for denying any photographic evidence that comes up falls under the category of denial. And now, I admit to being dishonest. I said that I would abandon this thread two pages ago, and yet hear I am. Considering how this has veered into an idiotic tangent, I believe I’ll make a second attempt. Wish me luck. ---
**Author:** ![flickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7bcc69/32.png) [@flickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flickster)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2004, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-called-abused-prisoners-the-beheaders/244714/168 "2004-05-14T05:49:42Z")
As for the fake photos, the following outlines circulation in my book > [@](#): > > The photos accompanied an article about Boston city councilor Chuck Turner, who distributed the graphic photographs yesterday at a press conference with activist Sadiki Kambon. Turner told reporters the photos showed U.S. soldiers raping Iraqi women. > > “The American people have a right and responsibility to see the pictures,” Turner said. > > Kambon, who is director of the Black Community Information Center, said at the news conference he received the photographs by e-mail from Akbar Muhammad, a representative for the Nation of Islam. As for your linked WND Commentary, I have not been able to find it on the WND site. I’ve read it through on the KACV-TV site multiple times and find no reference to OBL or advocating mass murder of American citizens. Unfortunately the KACV-TV copy does not include the author’s name so searching for alternate commentaries is not possible. He/she seems to be questioning whether America’s culture, lack of security and lack of leadership were to blame for 911 (as the piece was written on Sept 12th). > [@](#): > > For the suicide bombers who carried out these attacks, they won’t be going to paradise with 50 virgins. They will be burning forever in Hell for their evil and wickedness. The above doesn’t seem to jive with your opinion of the piece. Now, I apologize for the hijack. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-called-abused-prisoners-the-beheaders/244714.md?page=8)