# So can we get an ultimate list of who's not planning on sticking around? **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [March 17, 2005, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-can-we-get-an-ultimate-list-of-whos-not-planning-on-sticking-around/294954 "2005-03-17T06:30:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Tamex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ccd318/32.png) [@Tamex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamex)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2005, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-can-we-get-an-ultimate-list-of-whos-not-planning-on-sticking-around/294954/141 "2005-04-22T17:48:41Z")
> [@Spatial Rift 47](#): > > Could someone explain exactly what happened? I would be most appreciative. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=302206](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=302206) This message was a “sticky” announcement when I came back to the boards last month after several months’ absence. After a month’s thought on the matter, I have decided to renew. I do still enjoy the boards, especially GQ, and I do like to contribute when I have time. I don’t agree with what **Tubadiva** did, but I can see why she did it. I’m still not sure why she was allowed to remain an administrator…I don’t think she should have been banned, mind you, since (as **Scotticher** has pointed out) it did happen off-board, but I think that if it were up to me, I’d have asked her to resign and go back to being a Charter Member. Obviously, it is not up to me, so we will just have to see if the administration of this board made the right decision. And I also hope, as **Cicero** does, that the administration listens to our concerns in these threads. Well, we’ll see what happens this year, won’t we? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![OpalCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8edcca/32.png) [@OpalCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OpalCat)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2005, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-can-we-get-an-ultimate-list-of-whos-not-planning-on-sticking-around/294954/142 "2005-04-22T18:25:49Z")
Undecided. Mostly because I just don’t come here that much anymore. ---
**Author:** ![LordVor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/90ced4/32.png) [@LordVor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LordVor)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2005, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-can-we-get-an-ultimate-list-of-whos-not-planning-on-sticking-around/294954/143 "2005-04-26T23:57:59Z")
(is it worth it just for GQ) > [@manhattan](#): > > [It is.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=311679) But for every thread like that there are 10 like [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=312369), where the mods let the thread run for pages with people spouting off their opinion and not being bothered to look for facts. When I signed up, I was **scared** to post incorrect information in “your” forum. Then it generally relaxed to “people can start with the annecdotes once the question was actually answered.” Now everybody jumps in with the annecdotes, and somebody may answer the question eventually. The Pit’s basically been spoiled by Reeder. Now everybody thinks you can just link to a story and say “this is bad”. This place and GD never really held me, and IMHO just gets repetitive after a few years. Cafe Society holds promise, but as a parent of a toddler I never get to see anything first-run anyway. So I’m gone for a while. I probably won’t come back as long as Tuba’s an admin, but that’s not the only reason why I’m not giving the board more of my money. -lv ---
**Author:** ![The\_27th\_Evil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ebca7d/32.png) [@The\_27th\_Evil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_27th_Evil)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2005, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-can-we-get-an-ultimate-list-of-whos-not-planning-on-sticking-around/294954/144 "2005-04-27T02:55:05Z")
I’d love to stick around, but the money is quite tight right now, so I shall have to bid you a fond farewell. It’s been great. I’ll miss you guys. ---
**Author:** ![Spatial\_Rift\_47](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a8b319/32.png) [@Spatial\_Rift\_47](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spatial_Rift_47)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2005, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-can-we-get-an-ultimate-list-of-whos-not-planning-on-sticking-around/294954/145 "2005-04-27T03:22:49Z")
**LordVor** , maybe you just happened to post a bad example of your point, but in that thread someone answered the OP point by point in post #4. I just came back after a 3.5 year absence from the SDMB, and having that added perspective on the history, I agree with **Roland Orzabal** ’s observation: > [@Roland Orzabal](#): > > But, in the words of many people much wiser than I, “this, too, shall pass”. It won’t be long before all this fades into SDMB history, and becomes one of those periods we all remember but don’t reference unless necessary. “It’s called a changeover. The movie goes on, and nobody in the audience has any idea.” -Fight Club ---
**Author:** ![FordPrefect](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e99b99/32.png) [@FordPrefect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FordPrefect)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2005, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-can-we-get-an-ultimate-list-of-whos-not-planning-on-sticking-around/294954/146 "2005-04-27T04:24:21Z")
> [@OpalCat](#): > > Undecided. Mostly because I just don’t come here that much anymore. 1. I have decided to stay 2. This is silly, but… 3. Bye Opal??? (I have never done the third item before, but what the hell, I gotta get my $7.48 USD worth somehow. ) ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2005, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-can-we-get-an-ultimate-list-of-whos-not-planning-on-sticking-around/294954/147 "2005-04-27T05:01:37Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > I’m not renewing. Not because of the money, or because of the Mods, but because I need to simplify my life, and I’m spending too much time here. I went from 2,000 to 3,000 posts in a frightenly short amount of time. > > I’ve seen enough Usenet flame wars to appreciate how the Mods keep things relatively civil here. They’re human, but they do a great job overall. Some of you guys should appreciate them more. I’ll miss you. I hope you reconsider or find you way back some time. If not, good luck. I’ve enjoyed your posts. ---
**Author:** ![LordVor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/90ced4/32.png) [@LordVor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LordVor)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2005, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-can-we-get-an-ultimate-list-of-whos-not-planning-on-sticking-around/294954/148 "2005-04-27T05:44:00Z")
Thanks for the thought **Spatial Rift 47** , but that “item by item answer” was biased hogwash with no factual backing. And I know that this too shall pass. Perhaps my feelings will change in the future. But right now I’ve lost respect for Tuba for not resigning (because it would have been best for the board), I’ve lost respect for Ed for trying to rewrite the privacy policy to state that what Tuba did would have been ok under the new privacy policy (even if he eventually recanted), and I lost respect for Dex a long time ago (Euty). Although opening a locked thread to yell at me and then relocking it didn’t help much in Dex’s case. Every time I see one of their posts, or one of their decisions, I find myself automatically taking the other side, and I just don’t want to turn into “that guy” who’s always carping on the administration. So…thanks for all the fish. ---
**Author:** ![Dunderman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecb155/32.png) [@Dunderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dunderman)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2005, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-can-we-get-an-ultimate-list-of-whos-not-planning-on-sticking-around/294954/149 "2005-04-27T05:52:39Z")
Wow. I didn’t realize so many people are leaving. I’ve already renewed. I’m really trying to wrap my head around the concept of leaving over Tuba-gate, but I can’t. It was a bad thing, but leaving over it? And leaving over the moderators, who are the best I’ve seen on any board anywhere? I love this place. I love the people here, the subjects we discuss, the sympathetic ears that are always available. I love the intelligence, the incredibly broad knowledge base, everything. I can talk to people here that I wouldn’t have met in a million years. People from around the world, from all walks of life, with all professions and life stories. I could never say no to that. So I don’t contribute that much and everything I know someone else knows better. So what? I get to read and learn. I’m staying this time, and unless the board takes a turn for the worse that is many orders of magnitude greater than the turn it has allegedly already taken, I’ll be staying next time too. ---
**Author:** ![SlowMindThinking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dc4da7/32.png) [@SlowMindThinking](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlowMindThinking)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2005, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-can-we-get-an-ultimate-list-of-whos-not-planning-on-sticking-around/294954/150 "2005-04-27T14:11:34Z")
> [@OpalCat](#): > > Undecided. Mostly because I just don’t come here that much anymore. Damn. And I never sent a picture of me in a speedo. (See if you remember that thread.) I renewed. I’ve never been a prolific poster, but I need this outlet. It keeps getting harder to tell when people at work are sucking up. That’s something I never worry about here. As far as leaving over the moderators, I didn’t join because of them (except for maybe Chronos), so why would I leave because of them? ---
**Author:** ![fessie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c37758/32.png) [@fessie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fessie)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2005, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-can-we-get-an-ultimate-list-of-whos-not-planning-on-sticking-around/294954/151 "2005-04-27T14:49:42Z")
I already renewed. But I agree completely with nearly all of the criticisms listed here - we’re not treated as “paying customers”, TubaDiva should’ve gotten the axe, fora do become redundant after awhile, this place isn’t quite as (dignified/cool/intelligent) as it used to be. What I really resent about the TubaDiva/StageManager incident is that it made me aware of the snark boards. We shouldn’t have been prohibited from discussing the incident here - this is a group of highly communicative people. Expecting us to just shut up & wait was unreasonable. So of course the conversation took place elsewhere. Only that elsewhere - it’s nasty. It’s everything that this place strives not to be. And knowing it exists casts an entirely different shade on the Dope. All of a sudden this place seems false. I hate that I’ve lost my enthusiasm for posting here. Howsomever… I agree with Roland, this too shall pass. I’ll get over my loss of naivete, new intelligent posters will join, and the dialogue will pick up again. I’ll miss you guys who are leaving. I’ve enjoyed knowing you. Hope you come back. ---
**Author:** ![owlstretchingtime](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/958977/32.png) [@owlstretchingtime](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/owlstretchingtime)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2005, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-can-we-get-an-ultimate-list-of-whos-not-planning-on-sticking-around/294954/152 "2005-04-27T15:06:45Z")
I’m out of here for a few reasons: Firstly it’s time consuming - time that I could more productively use. Secondly the stuff I like talking about (football, marmite, Round the Horne, American Hair etc) is a very niche area on here and I can’t be arsed with most of the US posts (yes I know it’s a yank board but it used to be more cosmopolitan). Thirdly the place is infested with up-their-own-arse lefties who are all about 20 years old. They get a bit shrill at times. in fact the only thing i don’t give a toss about is TubaDiva outing that nonce. It’s been a fun few years, but it’s no longer the place I joined way back then. ---
**Author:** ![Jenaroph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e8c25b/32.png) [@Jenaroph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jenaroph)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2005, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-can-we-get-an-ultimate-list-of-whos-not-planning-on-sticking-around/294954/153 "2005-04-27T15:12:11Z")
I was torn over this, but for various reasons I’m not renewing. I don’t expect to be missed much, since most of my posts are of the drive-by type, but the OP is asking for a comprehensive list, so… ---
**Author:** ![Hot\_Buttered\_Toast](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b38774/32.png) [@Hot\_Buttered\_Toast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hot_Buttered_Toast)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2005, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-can-we-get-an-ultimate-list-of-whos-not-planning-on-sticking-around/294954/154 "2005-04-27T15:21:53Z")
I’ve finally decided not to renew - I don’t post much and I’m not going to pay just for the search function. There are other factors, but those are the main ones. ---
**Author:** ![Mayfield\_St.Cloud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/67e7ee/32.png) [@Mayfield\_St.Cloud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mayfield_St.Cloud)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2005, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-can-we-get-an-ultimate-list-of-whos-not-planning-on-sticking-around/294954/155 "2005-04-27T21:03:11Z")
> [@akennett](#): > > But then the Tuba/SM fiasco, and all the bitter aftermath, happened. And while I have expressed no opinions on the matter, I have read the back and forth on the board, watching the story (or at least the public aspects thereof) unfold. Suddenly my decision became easier. The choices made by the board administration and, to a much lesser extent, the reactions to these decisions among the membership have led me to decide that the SDMB is not a place that I want to spend my money. > > Normally, I would have quietly let my membership expire. I sincerely doubt my absence would be noted, and it is not in my nature to make such announcements in any case. However, I think it is important that the administration know that their actions are costing the SDMB members, even if they are chronic lurkers. Thank you, **akennett** , for composing and typing my post for me. Saved me a good deal of time and effort. ---
**Author:** ![manhattan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/manhattan/32/7_2.png) [@manhattan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/manhattan)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2005, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-can-we-get-an-ultimate-list-of-whos-not-planning-on-sticking-around/294954/156 "2005-04-27T21:19:57Z")
> [@fessie](#): > > And knowing it exists casts an entirely different shade on the Dope. All of a sudden this place seems false. I hate that I’ve lost my enthusiasm for posting here. > > Howsomever… > > I agree with Roland, this too shall pass. I hope it passes soon. In the meantime let me suggest the following. Gossip exists. Someone in your real life is gossiping about work and maybe about you. Someone at your church is gossiping about your church and maybe about you. It kind of sucks to learn what the specific gossip is, as is the case with these anonymous communities – it does kind of sap one’s enthusiasm. And it’s frustrating – the incoherent mix of the true, the false and the lies most often serves only to hide truth. But learning what the gossip is didn’t make it exist – it existed already. At some point, you just have to get past the fact that people are gossiping and move forward. ---
**Author:** ![furt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/439d5e/32.png) [@furt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furt)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2005, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-can-we-get-an-ultimate-list-of-whos-not-planning-on-sticking-around/294954/157 "2005-04-27T21:40:58Z")
Still on the fence. Cumulative wieght of the same stuff everyone else has complained about. ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2005, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-can-we-get-an-ultimate-list-of-whos-not-planning-on-sticking-around/294954/158 "2005-04-27T22:44:40Z")
> [@Tamex](#): > > I don’t agree with what **Tubadiva** did, but I can see why she did it. I’m still not sure why she was allowed to remain an administrator…I don’t think she should have been banned, mind you, since (as **Scotticher** has pointed out) it did happen off-board, but I think that if it were up to me, I’d have asked her to resign and go back to being a Charter Member. I don’t understand why, honestly. For one mistake she made everyone wants (to varying degrees) to string her up. But she’s done so many good and useful things. It’s not fair to weigh her on only one issue. ---
**Author:** ![fessie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c37758/32.png) [@fessie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fessie)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2005, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-can-we-get-an-ultimate-list-of-whos-not-planning-on-sticking-around/294954/159 "2005-04-27T22:52:28Z")
That’s a lot like saying good people should never have to go to jail. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Carter\_of\_Mars](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/2bfe46/32.png) [@John\_Carter\_of\_Mars](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Carter_of_Mars)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2005, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-can-we-get-an-ultimate-list-of-whos-not-planning-on-sticking-around/294954/160 "2005-04-28T00:31:35Z")
> [@Hot Buttered Toast](#): > > I’ve finally decided not to renew Rats! Ever since that time you shot **Giraffe** down, you’ve been one of my favorites. Sorry you’re not going to renew, but best wishes to you. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-can-we-get-an-ultimate-list-of-whos-not-planning-on-sticking-around/294954.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-can-we-get-an-ultimate-list-of-whos-not-planning-on-sticking-around/294954.md?page=9)