Well, he tried it with an R2 unit, but it had a bad penetrator.
Not necessarily. The college friend I mentioned above–I knew intellectually that she was hot (that was largely my male friends assumed we were doing it, because they wanted to) but she simply didn’t do it for me. Attraction is idiosyncratic.
This is the essence of the OP. Just another example of Lucas’ crappy retconning. If he intended them to be brother & sister before Return of the Jedi he’d never have them do this in Empire…
They were originally set up to be each other’s love interest but there was zero chemistry. And good ol’ anti-hero Han Solo was a much bigger hit with the public after the first film than originally envisioned. Therefore…
Definitely. The first Star Wars novelization I ever read, Darth Vader was from a planet where they breathed methane.
It seemed she wasn’t too impressed with him, calling him small at first, and later only giving him a good kiss to make Han jealous. By the time of Empire she cared for him very much, like a younger brother but it’s hard to believe that she was originally intended to be Luke’s sister.
It seems like the way it was set up that even though Luke’s the hero, the princess is more attracted to the roguish Han Solo. But as the story was supposed to progress, Luke ends up pulling off a series of super alpha-male exploits which makes Leia think twice about dismissing anything romantic between them. Luke then becomes legitimate competition against Han. This would only work before the completed Empire Strikes Back because she clearly only has eyes for Han when she tells him her feelings.
But I just wish they didn’t make them twins. They don’t even look the same age.
So? Does relativistic travel speed mean nothing in this galactic setting?
They had plenty of time to get it on between New Hope and the start of Empire, didn’t they? Even if Leia was a bit busy at the time. Nothing happened.
Besides, Leia is a Zoey and Luke a Zelda. Wouldn’t have worked.
I thought it was a clearly a case of no hots. The first movie it was at best subtext and frankly not even that.
In ESB they dropped so many hints about Leia that the mystery of the “other” wasbin ROTJ dispatched in two sentences over tea and biscuits.
No, he did not. Checking with my copy of The Secret History of Star Wars, it seems that, in the first draft of The Empire Strikes Back, Luke was supposed to have a twin sister, but she was on the other side of the Galaxy, not someone he already knew.
In the second draft, when he had the flash of insight to make Darth Vader Luke’s father, he completely removed this element. Even the small bit that made it into the final movie about some mysterious “Other” was removed, replaced with Yoda saying he needed to find “another” Obi Wan apparently disagreeing, saying “He’s our only hope.”
According to Lucas himself, that line was added back in, not as some hint at the existence of Luke’s twin, but to create tension. “I was trying to set up subliminally in the audience’s mind that something is going on here, that [Luke] could fail. And if he does fail, ‘there is another hope.’” (Bouzereau, Annotated Screenplays, p. 200.) The author of the book suggests that, instead, that there was a further reason–to set up the sequel series that was supposed to follow the original.
It was only in the first draft of Return of the Jedi that Leia becomes Luke’s sister. Having abandoned the idea of a sequel trilogy, and the fans constantly speculating about who the “other” could be, Lucas felt he needed to tie up that plot line. Having her be his twin sister did that nicely, making her legitimately a possible other hope (with Force powers), and having her be born at the same time as Luke so Vader wouldn’t know about her.
Even Lucas pretty much admitted he threw that in because he had to. He didn’t particularly like it. “It’s one thing for Darth Vader to tell Luke that he’s his father, and it’s another thing to have Luke tell Leia that he is her sister and that Darth Vader’s his father. That really gets hard to swallow.” (Return of the Jedi commentary track, 2004)
Voted “He was hot for her, she wasn’t for him” but Skald, what is this ? :
I have no idea what you’re talking about…
(And we won’t be discussing forbidden inter-species love . . . no way that’s the first time Chewie got to first base.
A private “medal awarding” ceremony, riiight.)
CMC fnord!
You forgot to include “Some mild attraction, but I’m pissed you didn’t include a link to this photo.”
Well if that’s the case the decision to make Leia the twin must have been taken sometime before the premier of ESB. In that movie Leia’s force sensitivity is hinted at throughout and more or less confirmed at the end when she senses Luke hanging off the shaf exit at Bespin.
Lucas gets a lot of crap from fans like me for some of his SW-related decisions, but reading the creative process involved and the what he was dealing with (divorce, wanting to move onto to something else creatively, needing to wrap up loose ends) I’m much more sympathetic. I always hear how he says, after the fact, that everything that ended up being int he OT and PT was planned from the very start, and I always thought he was full of it, especially as things transpired in the film so haphazardly at times.
It’s cool to see that even he realized it was a stretch to make Leia Luke’s sister but the movie needed to get finished so he was under pressure.
It definitely seems that way but it could be a one way Force related telepathic message. Like maybe if Luke focused hard enough he could have sent a message to someone else he was close with, who wasn’t Force sensitive. I very much like the idea that Leia and him have a strong bond as shown in that scene, but not having it merely be because they are twins.
You have to wonder why Obi Wan didn’t tell him from the beginning.
Luke accepts the light saber and that his dad wasn’t a pilot on a spice freighter, but he’s still on the edge. Telling him that the girl pleading for help in the recording is his sister is so improbable Luke will think he’s making it all up.
When Luke says he is only going to take him to Mos Eisley he thinks he has the whole speeder ride to tell him, but they run into the murdered Jawas and Luke takes off.
When Luke finds his home burned down that would have been the time to tell him he’s got family left. But then does he explain the truth about his father at this terrible time? He’s committed to going now so forget about it.
When Obi Wan is fighting Vader and looks over to see Luke and Leia together, they are wet and he’s got lipstck on his face, that’s when he realizes he has waited too long. It finally makes sense why he would tell Vader to strike him down. He did not want to get on that ship and have to deal with that mess all the way to the next rebel base.
I knew something was missing from this Christmas season!
How about Splinter of the Mind’s Eye? It was the authorized novelization that came out between Star Wars and the Empire Strikes Back. Throughout the entire novel, Luke was seriously in love with Leia, and wound up making out with her at the end. I seem to remember a mud wrestling scene in there as well.
“going in to town to pick up some power converters…” so that’s what the kids are calling it these days…