# So disappointed in Castle Season 8 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 5, 2015, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-disappointed-in-castle-season-8/736766 "2015-11-05T23:53:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![kiz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/7feea3/32.png) [@kiz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kiz)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2016, 10:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-disappointed-in-castle-season-8/736766/41 "2016-04-21T10:46:00Z")
> [@Tapiotar](#): > > Fillion’s smirk has stopped being charming and became annoying. Fillion has also gotten too old and pudgy to pull off the childish enthusiams with boyish charm. It is past time to end the show. Yep. His _schtick_ was charming during the first few seasons, then it became a caricature. Don’t get me wrong, I like Fillion very much, but yeah, Castle’s run its course. Let it die a dignified death. ---
**Author:** ![Tim\_R.Mortiss](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tim_r.mortiss/32/142_2.png) [@Tim\_R.Mortiss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tim_R.Mortiss)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2016, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-disappointed-in-castle-season-8/736766/42 "2016-04-21T15:42:24Z")
Joke suggestion: replace Katic with Kirstie Alley. Serious suggestion: Get Coté de Pablo to join the show as Beckett’s replacement on the Force. She can reprise her Ziva David role, or make up a fresh one. Either way, she has no time or tolerance for Castle’s foolishness, but he’s still friendly with the Mayor, you know… ---
**Author:** ![dracoi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/90db22/32.png) [@dracoi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dracoi)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2016, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-disappointed-in-castle-season-8/736766/43 "2016-04-21T16:58:24Z")
> [@Tim\_R.Mortiss](#): > > Serious suggestion: Get Coté de Pablo to join the show as Beckett’s replacement on the Force. She can reprise her Ziva David role, or make up a fresh one. Either way, she has no time or tolerance for Castle’s foolishness, but he’s still friendly with the Mayor, you know… I could see that working. It would be a similar dynamic to what her character had with Dinozzo. Castle could use a Klingon. (That’s my inside joke about NCIS: if NCIS were cast in Star Trek Next Generation style, is there any way that Ziva would not be a Klingon?) ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2016, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-disappointed-in-castle-season-8/736766/44 "2016-04-21T17:52:52Z")
> [@Reluctant\_A](#): > > I’ve got to beg to differ with this comment. I’ve always felt like sentiments that amount to “The show was ruined when the leads got together” are missing the mark, for whatever TV show that are made in reference to. And, for _Castle_ in particular, the show continued to be good after Rick and Kate got together, IMHO. The show didn’t really fall off until “For Better or For Worse,” which is a full two seasons after they hooked up. I tend to agree with you on this. Season 6, with all of the teases and delays over the wedding date, was a little frustrating, but it was still generally\* enjoyable to me. However, it was also the last season that creator / showrunner Andrew Marlowe was really involved in the show, IIRC. I stuck it out through season 7, even though the stories strayed further and further from the formula that had made the show so good in the first place. I got 3 or 4 episodes into this season, and gave up…the idea of Beckett keeping Castle in the dark over the Conspiracy (which had become ludicrously over-the-top, anyway…once Bracken had been sent to prison, that plotline should have been **over** ) was the last straw, for me. - - as you note, “For Better or For Worse” was probably the stupidest episode of the series to that date. Beckett had take a job at the Justice Department the previous year – and we’re supposed to believe that the extensive background check which Justice undoubtedly ran on her didn’t turn this up? “Ms. Beckett, would you care to explain this husband of yours whom you failed to mention in your paperwork?” ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2016, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-disappointed-in-castle-season-8/736766/45 "2016-04-21T18:10:47Z")
According to Wiki, the last episode of the season is titled “Crossfire”. My bet is that she dies, and the is a short season 8 where he solves the murder and breaks T_H_E C_O_N_S_P_I_R_A_C\*Y once and for all. ---
**Author:** ![Reluctant\_A](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/839c29/32.png) [@Reluctant\_A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reluctant_A)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2016, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-disappointed-in-castle-season-8/736766/46 "2016-04-23T00:42:05Z")
Someone on a dedicated _Castle_ message board made an observation that I thought was interesting yesterday: it seems as though, over the course of the last two seasons (which, FWIW, also appears to coincide with when they changed show runners), they have slowly and methodically carried out the process of either diminishing or straight eliminating the roles of all of the strong female characters on this show. Anybody else picking up on that? ---
**Author:** ![Tim\_R.Mortiss](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tim_r.mortiss/32/142_2.png) [@Tim\_R.Mortiss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tim_R.Mortiss)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2016, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-disappointed-in-castle-season-8/736766/47 "2016-04-23T00:56:47Z")
> [@dracoi](#): > > I could see that working. It would be a similar dynamic to what her character had with Dinozzo. Castle could use a Klingon. (That’s my inside joke about NCIS: if NCIS were cast in Star Trek Next Generation style, is there any way that Ziva would not be a Klingon?) I always thought Ziva was more like Mr. Data. Both of them have trouble with idioms, and neither of them ever use contractions. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2016, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-disappointed-in-castle-season-8/736766/48 "2016-05-13T15:39:12Z")
And the ax has fallen - [Castle canceled after 8 seasons | EW.com](http://www.ew.com/article/2016/05/12/castle-canceled-abc?1212) ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2016, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-disappointed-in-castle-season-8/736766/49 "2016-05-13T15:53:36Z")
Now Fillion can get back to real work. ---
**Author:** ![Cyros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a698b9/32.png) [@Cyros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyros)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2016, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-disappointed-in-castle-season-8/736766/50 "2016-05-13T16:53:09Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Now Fillion can get back to real work. Writing? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2016, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-disappointed-in-castle-season-8/736766/51 "2016-05-13T16:58:27Z")
_Spectrum_! ---
**Author:** ![nightshadea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/7ba0ec/32.png) [@nightshadea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nightshadea)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2016, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-disappointed-in-castle-season-8/736766/52 "2016-05-13T18:27:37Z")
From what I read long ago the chick that was beckett was irritated over the whole thing where he held up the show over wanting a huge contract and that’s where most of the big problems started Tho I wouldn’t be surprised if she didn’t go back to her home country and do local stuff or just be a wealthy house wife and have kids (her husband wasn’t impressed with Hollywood and all that and wanted to go back to the old country)reportedly ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2016, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-disappointed-in-castle-season-8/736766/53 "2016-05-13T19:15:29Z")
> [@nightshadea](#): > > Tho I wouldn’t be surprised if she didn’t go back to her home country and do local stuff or just be a wealthy house wife and have kids (her husband wasn’t impressed with Hollywood and all that and wanted to go back to the old country)reportedly Stana Katic has four movies filmed and in post-production right now and has been working pretty steadily in Hollywood since 2004. She’s from Ontario, Canada. She married her husband last year. Doesn’t look like she’s leaving Hollywood any time soon. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2016, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-disappointed-in-castle-season-8/736766/54 "2016-05-13T19:21:17Z")
No power in the 'verse can stop him. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2016, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-disappointed-in-castle-season-8/736766/55 "2016-05-13T23:42:31Z")
I had a suspicion that the “Stana Katic leaving” thing was a ruse to make the planned cliffhanger extra suspenseful, that they’d make everyone believe Beckett had died then she’d actually return, maybe halfway through the season. Apparently they filmed two different endings in case they weren’t renewed, so it may tie itself up with a satisfying conclusion at least. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2016, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-disappointed-in-castle-season-8/736766/56 "2016-05-14T03:07:40Z")
> [@Reluctant\_A](#): > > Someone on a dedicated _Castle_ message board made an observation that I thought was interesting yesterday: it seems as though, over the course of the last two seasons (which, FWIW, also appears to coincide with when they changed show runners), they have slowly and methodically carried out the process of either diminishing or straight eliminating the roles of all of the strong female characters on this show. Anybody else picking up on that? I don’t follow that at all. Alexis’s role grew from earnest kid to actual useful grown-up, Beckett got promoted to captain, they introduced Toks as a badass recurring character, etc. What strong female characters were reduced or eliminated? ---
**Author:** ![Snooooopy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee7513/32.png) [@Snooooopy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snooooopy)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2016, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-disappointed-in-castle-season-8/736766/57 "2016-05-14T03:17:00Z")
As much as I have enjoyed the show, I was rooting against it getting a Season 9. I just didn’t see a way for the show to continue without Beckett in a form that I would really want to watch. Kill her off? If this show didn’t suck so much at serialized storytelling, that might be an option, but I was seriously not looking forward to a lengthy slog through The Hunt For Beckett’s Killer. Divorce? No, this couple was meant to go the distance. Pack her off on some deep-cover op? Meh. We got eight frequently enjoyable seasons; no reason to be greedy. ---
**Author:** ![elfkin477](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@elfkin477](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfkin477)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2016, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-disappointed-in-castle-season-8/736766/58 "2016-05-14T03:18:26Z")
> [@JSexton](#): > > I don’t follow that at all. Alexis’s role grew from earnest kid to actual useful grown-up, Beckett got promoted to captain, they introduced Toks as a badass recurring character, etc. What strong female characters were reduced or eliminated? Gates is gone. Castle’s mom and Lanie both have less airtime. ---
**Author:** ![Reluctant\_A](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/839c29/32.png) [@Reluctant\_A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reluctant_A)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2016, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-disappointed-in-castle-season-8/736766/59 "2016-05-14T13:23:42Z")
Not only those, but Beckett has also been diminished: she’s been promoted, sure, but that promotion has also come with less screen time, and a lessened impact on any given episode. ---
**Author:** ![ftg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ftg/32/2801_2.png) [@ftg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ftg)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2016, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-disappointed-in-castle-season-8/736766/60 "2016-05-14T18:48:22Z")
This … show. The 5/9 one could have been interesting. Castle going on about demons and such. But it got stupider and stupider. E.g., there’s a huge secret room next to the pointless PI office. They mention a landlord. Is this landlord an idiot? How could such a large, unused chunk of NYC real estate be ignored for years? You know the sq ft of each floor, know where all the runs are, etc., it would not have just sat there. All found due to an amazing coincidence just for this episode. Now, if the show continued, you’d have to incorporate this new space into an already waste of a set. Or you just do the usual episode reset. (Wished they had done a reset on the Castle missing and Beckett’s 2nd giant conspiracy stuff.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-disappointed-in-castle-season-8/736766.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-disappointed-in-castle-season-8/736766.md?page=4)