I reached out for conversation on other websites. A few victims discussed their experiences in Vineland and it unfortunately attracted members who were annoyed by the topic. We are rare in that sense and it is difficult to discuss a real life experience from a intelligent point of view without others reacting to you like you’re some sort of showboater looking for attention. Well,..what about the details of the story? Forget about who I am and focus on the topic.
IIRC, the only documented wide spread case of systematic sexual child abuse by a religious group in “recent” history of the western world was perpetrated by the Roman Catholic Church.
I think we are focusing on the real topic here-people using scary stories to make themselves look special in the eyes of others.
You’ve offered no support for any of it. Lots of similar stories have turned out to be false (I didn’t think you’d just admit that), so there’s no reason to believe any of it. Is there anything else to discuss?
And why would that be? I feel healed and was never a victim of Satanic ritual abuse. I was attacked or chased and that stays with me. But it’s surely not enough to affect my honest ability to discuss it freely for the sake of observation to the subject matter/debate in this thread.
Like I said:
Do you have some facts that would give people a reason to treat this story as credible?
The social environment in Vineland.
A zero.
No, it’s commentary about the “social environment” from you and not backed up by any independent source.
Are you really this angry with me? I’m merely stating excerpts from the newspaper articles, testimonies of the victims and my personal history. I never said whether or not I believed in all the accusations made of anyone due to the realization and point in the first place..that the entire case is a mystery and will remain that way until someone has the will to solve it and print the truth. I wanted opinions and I’m sorry if I’ve annoyed you or offended you. I didn’t have those intentions.
If you linked to any newspaper articles or quoted them, I missed it.
You described the “accusations” in great detail and named people who you claimed were involved. If you expressed any skepticism about the whole thing, I didn’t see it.
No, your position is moronic because you expect anyone to believe that.
Do you know the difference between "excerpts from the newspaper articles, testimonies of the victims " and “repeating stuff I think I remember from forty years ago?”
And you have not demonstrated that there is a “case” to discuss, much less it being a mystery.
And why would these people, who fear for their lives because they supposedly don’t know who might be a member of this cult, tell you anything?
The only information available is the article written by Steve Jublou in the Weird N.J. magazine issue #20, James Maddox who discovered the body wrote about the experience on Gateway.com ..which Gateway was his high school, it is mentioned in a few paperbacks, and most newspaper articles are difficult to obtain..although it did hit the N.Y. Times and that’s probably again..placing importance on the fads of the times who knows? It’s a mysterious case and was never addressed properly. It’s too difficult to prove these so called facts which I believe in. Even if it’s truly based on my personal experience with friends, I don’t expect anyone to believe me. I am a victim of shock and devistation..not a victim of rituals. I don’t have a problem discussing it and I compose instrumental musical themes which revolve around the subject.
The fact that you would use this as a source says quite a bit about any other “evidence” you might claim to have.
To be clear, he didn’t actually verify the story you’re telling, did he? All I can find is quotes from you on other message boards that he had a “nightmarish experience” and offer no details about what he experience.
Gateway.com belongs to a company, not a website. I can’t find anything (except your posts) about whatever he wrote.
I knew a guy in high school who claimed to be a satan worshipper. I knew him well enough to know that he did this just to shock his friends and drive his mother nuts. I knew a woman in college who seriously worshipped satan. She was schizophrenic and delusional when not on her meds. Also she seemed to enjoy the shock value.
True.
Very little indeed.
The article is not available on the Weird N.J. website. It’s only in the magazine. Gateway is a site with members who attended the high school. James Maddox posted his testmony on that site. There is hardly any information available on the case.