For your information, you are not allowed to call other posters liars in this forum. (You can do it in the Pit, but not here.) Don’t do it again.
Quoting from the article, which, again, you and everybody else can read at that link: “His hands and feet were bound with adhesive tape.” There is not a word about chains. If someone else reported it was chains they’d better have firsthand sources, because it’s not possible to confuse tape and chains. The statement is unambiguous. So I think you’re just wrong here. You misremembered or misunderstood, or you spoke to someone who misremembered or misunderstood.
The actual police work didn’t produce any evidence that supports your theory. You’re claiming the police did other investigating that never went anywhere and that supports your theory.
Yes, it is. But not always, and if there are two sides, both should have evidence for their ideas. If not, there aren’t really two sides.
You’ve proposed a conspiracy. What do you want me to call it? I didn’t say all alternate theories of crimes are conspiracies, but this plainly is one.
Which you haven’t demonstrated…
I’m certainly not swallowing this. Dan Brown wouldn’t publish this story.
Most crimes are solved without conspiracy theories, I think.
You know, if I were a Satanist, I’d be pretty pissed that I’d been able to keep this massive child-murdering conspiracy a secret for 40 years, only to be undone by a lone wacko on the Internet. I mean, we have people so scared that they’re clinging to their federal agent husbands in fear, yet Enid here is blithely yammering on, revealing all their dastardly crimes. She heard drums in the woods, y’all!
Chains made out of tape, maybe?
(Covers head with hands and runs away)
Yeah. That’s what I get for concentrating on not putting too many p’s in.
You can’t handle the truth.
What? Someone had to say it.
Don’t call other posters wackos, please.
Fair enough. My apologies.
Yes of course Satanic Cults exist.
Of course there are different types of Satanism.
One particular brand is NOT a cult because no gods are accepted on the other hand all other forms of Satanism as related to the Christian Cult are cults just like Christianity is a cult of many sects. Any Satanism that is derived from the Christian Satan is actually part of Christianity since said brand of Satanism believes that Jesus exists and their Satan is the Christian Satan.
Just to be clear; if worship is involved, if following a deity or belief in SUPERNATURAL DEITY(which describes all deities), is a cult.
Christianity in all forms are cults
Judaism is a cult
Islam is a cult
Hindi and all sects are cults.
Buddhism does not necessarily equal a cult since Buddhism does not require any belief in a deity, but some Buddhist do believe in a deity.
As well non religious Satanism is not a cult since no God or Deity is actually worshipped or acknowledged.
Dude, you don’t get to make up word definitions as you go along.
He’s not.
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a particular system of religious worship, especially with reference to its rites and ceremonies.
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an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, especially as manifested by a body of admirers: the physical fitness cult.
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the object of such devotion.
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a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc.
5.* Sociology*. a group having a sacred ideology and a set of rites centering around their sacred symbols.
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a body of persons adhering to a particular religious faith; a religious denomination.
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a group regarded as heretical or as deviating from a generally accepted religious tradition.
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(in the sociology of religion) a Christian denomination characterized by insistence on strict qualifications for membership, as distinguished from the more inclusive groups called churches.
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any group, party, or faction united by a specific doctrine or under a doctrinal leader.
And which definition is generally understood to be meant whenever the word “cult” is preceded by the word “Satanic” and the practices thereof are purported to include horrible murder conspiracies?
It might be an overly-literal reply to the question in the thread title, but no definitions were made up.
The word “cult” should be avoided – it carries too many negative connotations. The term “new religious movement” should be used instead.
So is there, or have there ever been, “new religious movements” with a positive view of Satan and/or Lucifer? The answer is yes, though it should be pointed out that 1) none of these groups ever hurt a fly, and 2) none of these groups ever hurt a fly.
For a contemporary American example, see the Temple Of Set, founded in 1975 and still going strong. Over in Europe, and going back a bit, the earliest clear-cut example is probably that of Ben Kadosh’s circle in Copenhagen, Denmark, ca. 1906 – and then you’ve got the Fraternitas Saturni in 1920’s Weimar Republic Germany, and so on and so forth.
As for LaVey’s Church Of Satan, it is not and has never in any way been “religious”; in the words of LaVey himself, it’s simply “Ayn Rand with trappings.”
Last but not least - and all together now - let’s remember once again that none of these groups ever hurt a fly. There has never been anything like the kind of “Satanic Panic”-style national or international child- and/or animal-sacrificing “cult” the OP describes.
I’m not sure that the Temple of Set is that sparkly clean. If Nikolas & Zeena (LaVey) Schreck were members/clerics, they have made noises that they did not find ritual animal sacrifice out of the question (tho they may have been accepting of it as providing food.)
As far as I have been able to ascertain, though, they never actually performed any animal sacrifices. No matter which “noises” they might have made along the way.
I might be wrong, though? I know little about the American scene, more about Europe.
Quite often that makes it exactly the word you want. Let us never lessen our language’s precious stock of snarl-words.
Besides, “cult” is not just another word for “sect” or “religious movement,” it has its own distinct – and useful – semantic content:
Right, but since no Satanic group anywhere in the world has ever lived up to the definitions of a “cult” as laid out in your lengthy quote, the use of the term “Satanic cult” shouldn’t be used to describe those Satanic groups which have in fact existed.
Agreed . . . Even LaVey never took the whole thing seriously enough to make a cult of it. The kind of people who follow cults, as defined above, are exactly the kind the Church of Satan purportedly does not want.
Well, this was not a widespread conspiracy or anything, but apparently it really was ritual murders performed by a cult. One of the victims was Mark Kilroy, a UT college student who was celebrating spring break in March 1989, disappeared while with friends in Matamoros, and was later found murdered. Thirteen bodies were found, including Kilroy’s.
http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20120164,00.html
It was reportedly a combination of Santería, Palo Mayombe, voodoo, Satanism and santismo.
I didn’t want to write down some of the graphic information about what was found, but you can read about it in these articles if you want to. Apparently the perpetrators were drug dealers who thought these rituals would make them invincible.
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/weird/constanzo/1.html