# So does the board skew left? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 25, 2005, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-does-the-board-skew-left/305457 "2005-05-25T17:23:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2005, 11:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-does-the-board-skew-left/305457/221 "2005-05-27T11:51:33Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > And nowhere did anyone claim that you did. However, you did claim that “resident conservatives” said, for example, that “muslim = terrorist”. That means all muslims are terrorists. Or have you redifend what the equal sign means? I recall bringing up Timothy McVeigh and/or the Oklahoma City bombing several times in response to the suggestion that racial profiling, often explicitly focusing on people from the Middle East, was a reasonable effort to identify terrorists. I don’t think many people have come out and said “All Muslims are terrorists,” and I would wager that any who have been that explicit could be dismissed as short-term right wing extremist cranks rather than residents. However, more subtle linkages between Muslims and terrorism are made here by conservatives. I don’t remember which names to name off-hand, but I am sure that they weren’t made by **RedFury** , **rjung** , **ElvisL1ves** … Okay, a brief search on profiling yielded: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=292503&page=4&pp=40&highlight=profiling](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=292503&page=4&pp=40&highlight=profiling) > [@PaulFitzroy](#): > > Well, if I’m not mistaken several Islamic “charities” in this very country have been funnelling money straight into the hands of terrorism. We all know that Mosques in America have been used as terrorist headquarters: the bastards responsible for the first World Trade Center bombing, including mastermind Shiek Rahman, operated out of the “El Salaam Mosque” in New Jersey. (Ironically, that means “Mosque of Peace in Arabic.” Funny how they define “peace.”) > > As for profiling based on Middle Eastern heritage, this is to be expected since 1. every single terrorist (!) involved in 9/11 was Middle Eastern, and 2. “Middle East” equals “Terrorist” for the average American, since the name of every terrorist on the news nowadays, for some mystical reason seems to be Muhammad this, Omar that or Abdullah the other. > [@Rune](#): > > U.S. government agencies should profile citizens as potential threats based on being Muslim or having Middle Eastern heritage. > Agree. Energy should be put to use where it statistically has the greatest pay off. It is a fact that at this time Muslims males from the Middle East are proportional more likely to be potentials threats than the average of the population. A brief search on “grienspace” and Muslim: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=276867&highlight=Muslim](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=276867&highlight=Muslim) > [@DirkGntly](#): > > I curse your religion and I curse your god, for Allah is not Yahweh. Your father, Ishmael, knew Yahweh, but you have turned from him to worship a false prophet and an illegitimate god. Realize this day that because of your ways, because of your deceptions, because of your illegitimacy, that you will burn in the fires of sheol, where no water can quench your thirst and no salve can soothe your flesh. There is no redemption of you that can be made; no restitution can be had on your behalf in the name of your religion. You will come to find your religion hollow, powerless, meaningless. It will haunt you and you will hunger, but you will not be filled. I’m confident if you continued to search for discussions of the beheadings in Iraq, you would find some broad brush strokes being painted, generally by conservatives and that sort of thing. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2005, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-does-the-board-skew-left/305457/222 "2005-05-27T12:14:42Z")
I have come to reallize and accept that part of being a leftist is truly thinking that you are in the center. The more left you are the more you beleive you are in the center. So leftists will rarely see things as slanted left, unless it is much more left then they are. It seems to hold, Righties see a bias in the media, leftists don’t yet a majority of journalists vote left of center each election. Those journalists see themselves in the center, while alternitive media sees themselves as right of center. Yes the board leans to the left and has gotten more so in the past year. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2005, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-does-the-board-skew-left/305457/223 "2005-05-27T12:38:11Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > I have come to reallize and accept that part of being a leftist is truly thinking that you are in the center. The more left you are the more you beleive you are in the center. 😕 Huh? Like I said before, I’m moderately left with libertarian leanings, but I find the American “center” to be skewed to the right overall. I can’t think of any liberal who thinks their value system is somehow American’s center. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2005, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-does-the-board-skew-left/305457/224 "2005-05-27T13:06:53Z")
> [@](#): > > I can’t think of any liberal who thinks their value system is somehow American’s center. Lets start with Dan Rather for one. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2005, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-does-the-board-skew-left/305457/225 "2005-05-27T13:09:30Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Lets start with Dan Rather for one. Yes, let’s. Provide your evidence. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2005, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-does-the-board-skew-left/305457/226 "2005-05-27T13:18:29Z")
> [@I don't care about your cat](#): > > Can I just mention that using a bunch of over-the-top adjectives, usually reserved for _aural_ speech, to describe written speech, doesn’t help anyone’s case? I’m referring to things such as this: > > “Those shrill, whiny liberals, with their screeching shrillness, are always whining and screaming shrilly. Quit crying and whining, you shrill, screechy, screaming whiners.” Reminds me of an essay I read awhile ago talking about just this: when we’re trying to dismiss someone’s argument as overly emotional, we don’t use words like “grunting,” “grumbling,” “hollering.” We use words like “shrill,” “whine,” “screech.” Often we also use words like “hysterical” and "harpies,"not “testosterone-driven” or “centaurs.” In other words, we use words that suggest the argument is being made in a high-pitched voice, with the assumption that the logical arguments are made in a low-pitched voice. And we follow up by using words that feminize the debating opponent. Something worth avoiding, IMO. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2005, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-does-the-board-skew-left/305457/227 "2005-05-27T15:49:56Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > Reminds me of an essay I read awhile ago talking about just this: when we’re trying to dismiss someone’s argument as overly emotional, we don’t use words like “grunting,” “grumbling,” “hollering.” We use words like “shrill,” “whine,” “screech.” Often we also use words like “hysterical” and "harpies,"not “testosterone-driven” or “centaurs.” > > In other words, we use words that suggest the argument is being made in a high-pitched voice, with the assumption that the logical arguments are made in a low-pitched voice. And we follow up by using words that feminize the debating opponent. Here we go again – you and your fellow grunting centaurs getting on everyone’s case about what adjectives we use. Quit your bellowing, you big heaving slab of man, you! No, that doesn’t work at all. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2005, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-does-the-board-skew-left/305457/228 "2005-05-27T15:50:49Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > No, that doesn’t work at all. I dunno–I’m feeling pretty studly right about now. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2005, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-does-the-board-skew-left/305457/229 "2005-05-27T15:52:31Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > I dunno–I’m feeling pretty studly right about now. Well, I’m glad it was good for you. Cigarette? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2005, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-does-the-board-skew-left/305457/230 "2005-05-27T15:54:10Z")
> [@Hentor the Barbarian](#): > > I recall bringing up Timothy McVeigh and/or the Oklahoma City bombing several times in response to the suggestion that racial profiling, often explicitly focusing on people from the Middle East, was a reasonable effort to identify terrorists. So? That’s a debatable positiong to hold, and is not the same as saying Muslim = terrorist. > [@](#): > > I don’t think many people have come out and said “All Muslims are terrorists,” and I would wager that any who have been that explicit could be dismissed as short-term right wing extremist cranks rather than residents. However, more subtle linkages between Muslims and terrorism are made here by conservatives. I don’t remember which names to name off-hand, but I am sure that they weren’t made by **RedFury** , **rjung** , **ElvisL1ves** … > > Okay, a brief search on profiling yielded: > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=292503&page=4&pp=40&highlight=profiling](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=292503&page=4&pp=40&highlight=profiling) > > A brief search on “grienspace” and Muslim: > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=276867&highlight=Muslim](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=276867&highlight=Muslim) > > I’m confident if you continued to search for discussions of the beheadings in Iraq, you would find some broad brush strokes being painted, generally by conservatives and that sort of thing. But you still haven’t found a quote that substantiates rjung’s claim. And keep in mind that there is the issue of “resident conservatives”. While that term is unclear, it surely doesn’t mean someone who came in for a month or two and was banned. ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2005, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-does-the-board-skew-left/305457/231 "2005-05-27T16:05:28Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > I have come to reallize and accept that part of being a leftist is truly thinking that you are in the center. The more left you are the more you beleive you are in the center. Yeah, you can certainly see that. Which is why folks like myself, or **rjung** , or **Siege** , make such a big show of being centrists. We’re always talking about how centrist we are, aren’t we? The board liberals do that constantly. :rolleyes: In fact, which group of politicians makes a huge show of being “regular folk”, emphasizing (often nonexistent) rural roots, and talking with deliberately working class affectations even if they’re not? Which party sells itself on fantasies, claiming that the rights and the way of life of “ordinary Americans” are constantly under threat from some amorphous evil emanating from universities and big cities? And if you had two brain cells to rub together, **kanicbird** , you’d realize that the evidence you use to justify the above claim could _equally_ be demonstrated to say the same thing about you. Right wingers see some tremendous bias in the media (despite the fact that the editors that determine the content of the media, along with their bosses and all the powerholders in the companies, are almost all Republicans) because they only consider things “centrist” if they’re actually tilted far towards the right. Clearly the fantasm of leftward media bias (which could hardly be true in an environment in which the folks deciding what to show or write about are staunch Republicans) is actually the result of the right considering anything leftward of Tom DeLay to be “leftist propaganda”. All I’m saying is that’s every bit as valid a conclusion of your premises as yours was. ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2005, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-does-the-board-skew-left/305457/232 "2005-05-27T16:15:07Z")
It’s funny, though, that the right presents “media bias” as if it were some shapeless power permeating society and twisting people’s minds. The media are thousands of different organizations and the multiplicity of venues is staggering. You can get your news with any kind of spin you want - either unabashedly on one side or the other, carefully centrist, or anywhere else on the scale. Even if it were true that much of the media tilted left-wing, clearsighted conservatives like **kanicbird** would see right through it and gravitate towards right-wing sources (and a lot of them do, of course.) So (again, under the assumption that this fantasm of leftward bias actually existed) how could the lefty media have any power anyway? Of course, there’s nothing objective to support this silliness, which is why it’s touted so heavily on right-wing AM Radio and much less so amongst the more “elitist” right-wing pundits you see in the right-leaning commentary magazines. The lack of objective evidence is also why folks like **kanicbird** resort to handwaving claims that “you lefties just can’t see it because you’re _so blindly partisan_”. How much more obvious could your excuse to dodge proof be, **kanicbird**? ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2005, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-does-the-board-skew-left/305457/233 "2005-05-27T16:38:22Z")
> [@RedFury](#): > > **SA** , you should be able to find the answers you seek here: > > [The National Memorial Institute for the Prevention of Terrorism](http://www.tkb.org/Home.jsp) > > * * * > > Late to the Party. No matter. What I wanted to say has already been said by any number of compañeros from the Shrill Lefty Brigade. Only better that I would have. Because, you know, I would have been, er…shrill. Yeah, that’s it. > > BTW, is McCarthy _ **really** _ dead? I can vouch for Franco, just not sure about the former. OK, to everyone out there, I took the liberty of spreadsheeting the data, and here’s the info I came up with. At first, I started with all terrorist incidents since 1968, but there are many groups that are defunct, and way too much data to wade through. So I chose exactly a 10-year span from 5/27/95 to 5/27/05 for the following numbers: **Top 15 Terrorist Groups as ranked by Incidents** 1. Unknown groups 10,097 2. Hamas 408 3. Revolutionary Armed forces of Colombia 394 4. Other Group 263 5. Communist Party of Nepal - Maoist 246 6. National Liberation Army (Colombia) 197 7. Basque Fatherland and Freedom 178 8. al-Fatah 115 9. Taliban 107 10. Corsica (FLNC) 96 11. Rafidayn 81 12. People’s War Group 74 13. United Self-Defense Forces of Colombia 73 14. Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE) 53 15. Earth Liberation Front 50 Hmm…well, that list seems to fall well short of 99.999% of terrorist groups being Muslim Let’s try, and this’ll look better for you: **Top 15 Terrorist Groups by Total Casualties** 1. Unknown Group 31,032 2. al-Qaeda 9,930 3. Hamas 3051 4. Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam 2556 5. Other Group 1818 6. Riyad us-Saliheyn Martyr’s Brigade 1657 7. Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia 1657 8. al-Fatah 1225 9. Rafidayn 1221 10. Movsar Baryayev Gang 819 11. Abu Hafs al-Masri Brigade 799 12. Jemaah Islamiyah 765 13. Dagestan Liberation Army 701 14. Lord’s Resistance Army 699 (Radical Christian group in Uganda) 15. Abu Sayyaf 671 Still looks far short of 99.999%. Unfortunately, there’s no way to rank terrorist groups by membership size, so these are the only numbers we have to work with. Make of these numbers what you will. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2005, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-does-the-board-skew-left/305457/234 "2005-05-27T16:48:06Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > But you still haven’t found a quote that substantiates rjung’s claim. And keep in mind that there is the issue of “resident conservatives”. In what way do they not? They seem to be “broadly inflammatory remarks” equating Muslims with terrorists. Even the issue of racial profiling based on being from a Middle Eastern country is more or less equating Muslims with terrorists, although the link there is certainly more tenuous (implying a higher probability of terrorists coming from a Middle Eastern country). Is it just the “SDMB resident conservatives” that you have a problem with? Before I take the time to hunt up any other such links, it would be helpful to know which you will and will not reject based on this criteria? What makes someone an “SDMB resident conservative”? ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2005, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-does-the-board-skew-left/305457/235 "2005-05-27T16:51:29Z")
> [@Hentor the Barbarian](#): > > What makes someone an “SDMB resident conservative”? Do you really have to ask? You even have a nickname for them. The “Usual Suspects”, if I recall. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2005, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-does-the-board-skew-left/305457/236 "2005-05-27T17:13:00Z")
> [@Airman Doors](#): > > Do you really have to ask? You even have a nickname for them. The “Usual Suspects”, if I recall. Not sure if that’s my nickname for them, because I don’t think I’ve used it before. However, if you could just remind me of the roster of Usual Suspects, that would be of great help. ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2005, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-does-the-board-skew-left/305457/237 "2005-05-27T18:13:05Z")
> [@Hentor the Barbarian](#): > > Not sure if that’s my nickname for them, because I don’t think I’ve used it before. However, if you could just remind me of the roster of Usual Suspects, that would be of great help. Oh, stop being so damn argumentative. **rjung** ’s quotes didn’t substantiate his statements. I agree that it’s factually wrong (and because it’s wrong, and has negative implications upon the lives of Muslims to do so, morally outrageous) to claim that 99% of terrorists are Muslim. That’s still a big step from saying that Muslims equal terrorists, which is what **rjung** was claiming people did. The quote on feminism didn’t even remotely make the claim he said it did, and if the other one was by some briefly-present troll, it’s not relevant. Trolls come in here and say things all the time. Remember the Stormfronters? Or the NAMBLA-types? If you believe that one conservative poster who was here for a couple weeks is representative of some kind of SDMB bias, then you also must believe that we are racist pedophiles, since racists and pedophiles show up (usually briefly) at times. You know perfectly well who the resident conservatives are, and it’s argumentative and childish for you to pretend that Taggert, who made 208 posts, was around for a month, and was subsequently banned is somehow the equivalent of **Starving Artist** or **Shodan**. Talking with someone like you, who will argue a point or fuss over definitions when they know perfectly well that their fussing is invalid, is like finding a kid with his hand in the cookie jar and crumbs on his face, who says over and over that he didn’t take the cookie. You’re making yourself look worse when you argue like this. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2005, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-does-the-board-skew-left/305457/238 "2005-05-27T21:58:40Z")
> [@Excalibre](#): > > Oh, stop being so damn argumentative. **rjung** ’s quotes didn’t substantiate his statements. I agree that it’s factually wrong (and because it’s wrong, and has negative implications upon the lives of Muslims to do so, morally outrageous) to claim that 99% of terrorists are Muslim. That’s still a big step from saying that Muslims equal terrorists, which is what **rjung** was claiming people did. Quit being argumentative? Why, so you can make the assertion unchallenged? Look, you stupid cunt, I quoted somebody who fucking said: “ **2. “Middle East” equals “Terrorist” for the average American,** since the name of every terrorist on the news nowadays, for some mystical reason seems to be Muhammad this, Omar that or Abdullah the other.” > [@Excalibre](#): > > You know perfectly well who the resident conservatives are, and it’s argumentative and childish for you to pretend that Taggert, who made 208 posts, was around for a month, and was subsequently banned is somehow the equivalent of **Starving Artist** or **Shodan**. I never cited Taggert, you stupid motherfucker. I cited PaulFitzroy, Rune and DirkGntly. Know what you are talking about before you post. So define “resident conservative” shithead, since it is so obvious. Does it have to be Bricker? What about kidchameleon? Duffer? Why not Rune? There are a ton of conservatives here. I don’t know which ones are resident. > [@](#): > > Talking with someone like you, who will argue a point or fuss over definitions when they know perfectly well that their fussing is invalid, is like finding a kid with his hand in the cookie jar and crumbs on his face, who says over and over that he didn’t take the cookie. You’re making yourself look worse when you argue like this. Fucker, you don’t have the first idea what you are even talking about, let alone going on to try to disparage me. You are really sounding like a big whiny pussy, all because someone dared call you a Bush apologist. Well, you’re not a Bush apologist. You’re just a stupid cunt. Feel better? ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2005, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-does-the-board-skew-left/305457/239 "2005-05-27T22:39:58Z")
> [@Hentor the Barbarian](#): > > Fucker, you don’t have the first idea what you are even talking about, let alone going on to try to disparage me. You are really sounding like a big whiny pussy, all because someone dared call you a Bush apologist. Well, you’re not a Bush apologist. You’re just a stupid cunt. Feel better? Excuse me? Miss Drama Queen, we weren’t talking about you. We were discussing **rjung**. I’m sorry that the discussion didn’t center entirely on you; I see it upsets you when you’re not the center of attention. And I certainly don’t see why you think I’d be upset at being called a “Bush apologist”. Any insult from the likes you you, or **Elvisl1ves** , or **Demostylus** can only really be interpreted as a compliment. I don’t aspire to be a part of the crowd of empty-headed True Believers that you guys enjoy so much. You guys insult anyone who’s not one of you, and I’m frankly quite satisfied not to be included in your group. You seem to think that since I used **Demostylus** ’ statement as an **example** that I was upset by it. Not so - I merely used it to illustrate the idiocy of you and your friends. If your little crowd equates “Wishes to occasionally be free of whining about Bush” with “Supports Bush”, it just indicates that you’re an idiot. I cited it as an example, in order to demonstrate how stupid you are. Honestly, I can’t imagine what could make you think I would feel injured by an insult from one of you - haven’t I made the fact that I’m contemptuous of the opinions of mindless, brainless sheep? It hurts me no more when one of you insults me than when **duffer** does. The insult of an idiot ought to be recognized as a compliment. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2005, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-does-the-board-skew-left/305457/240 "2005-05-27T23:08:58Z")
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