# So he was convicted. Big honking deal **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [June 1, 2024, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-he-was-convicted-big-honking-deal/1002368 "2024-06-01T03:34:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2024, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-he-was-convicted-big-honking-deal/1002368/201 "2024-06-03T17:19:09Z")
At least one of the experts walked it back when asked if it’s self-evidently improper. No, but it is untested. Well, no shit. States have the authority to administer their own elections, including federal ones. The argument presented seems weak to me. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2024, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-he-was-convicted-big-honking-deal/1002368/202 "2024-06-03T18:03:29Z")
On one hand, it’s an in for an unjust SCOTUS ruling, but on the other hand, almost literally anything is, and I’m sure prosecutors contemplated this point before proceeding. ---
**Author:** ![griffin1977](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2024, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-he-was-convicted-big-honking-deal/1002368/203 "2024-06-03T18:11:29Z")
> [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](#): > > There are potentially viable strategies by which Trump and his many ass-lickers in high places could get SCOTUS to void his conviction, for example as laid out here in this Salon article Yeah though there’s no evidence they would ultimately side with him. As in the immunity case, the may take the case and string out the appeal process longer (which is still freckin ridiculous and a massive indicmenent of the GOP side of the SCOTUS on its own) but they will ultimately not find for him. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2024, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-he-was-convicted-big-honking-deal/1002368/204 "2024-06-03T18:42:26Z")
> [@griffin1977](#): > > As in the immunity case, the may take the case and string out the appeal process longer (which is still freckin ridiculous and a massive indicmenent of the GOP side of the SCOTUS on its own) but they will ultimately not find for him. If I was a betting man this is how I’d wager they go. They can interfere just enough to make Trump’s other pending cases no longer relevant to the current election without setting a dangerous precedent that the POTUS has legal carte blanche to do whatever the heck they want without fear of repercussions outside of impeachment, which is something that could come back to bite Republicans. ---
**Author:** ![griffin1977](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2024, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-he-was-convicted-big-honking-deal/1002368/205 "2024-06-03T18:55:42Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > They can interfere just enough to make Trump’s other pending cases no longer relevant to the current election without setting a dangerous precedent that the POTUS has legal carte blanche to do whatever the heck they want without fear of repercussions outside of impeachment Yeah, I mean just the amount of delaying they’ve done to this point is completely unconscionable, we may find out this week if they plan to delay further or if they’ve done enough. But whatever happens they will almost certainly not find ultimately find for Trump in either immunity case or the NY conviction. ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2024, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-he-was-convicted-big-honking-deal/1002368/206 "2024-06-03T19:31:39Z")
> [@griffin1977](#): > > > [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](#): > > > > There are potentially viable strategies by which Trump and his many ass-lickers in high places could get SCOTUS to void his conviction, for example as laid out here in this Salon article > > Yeah though there’s no evidence they would ultimately side with him. Unfortunately, there is evidence. [Johnson in Trump verdict aftermath: ‘I do believe the Supreme Court should step in’ - Live Updates - POLITICO](https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2024/05/31/congress/johnson-scotus-step-in-trump-verdict-00160967) > “I do believe the Supreme Court should step in,” Johnson said on Fox News’ “Fox and Friends” on Friday. “I think they’ll set this straight but it’s going to take a while.” > > Johnson added of the Supreme Court justices: “ **I know many of them personally, I think they’re deeply concerned about** ” faith in the U.S. justice system. Bolding mine. I find it deeply concerning of the state of the US justice system that the speaker of the house is openly stating on a Fox interview that he personally knows Supreme Court justices and they’re deeply concerned about this. ---
**Author:** ![griffin1977](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2024, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-he-was-convicted-big-honking-deal/1002368/207 "2024-06-03T19:55:12Z")
> [@Dissonance](#): > > . I find it deeply concerning of the state of the US justice system that the speaker of the house is openly stating on a Fox interview that he personally knows Supreme Court justices and they’re deeply concerned about this While that is clearly disturbing (along with all the other GOP sycophants) that is just the world we live in right now Johnson needs Trump’s support against the “Freedom” (serious air quotes) Caucus. It all disgusting but pretty much business as usual for the GOP nothing surprising. The GOP section of the SCOTUS do not, they are there for life. If they were going go to bat for Trump to that degree they would have granted his immunity. They haven’t so that’s a pretty good indicator of where they stand. The fact theyve heard his case and delayed it to this degree (and may delay it more) it outrageous, but it’s not an indicator they will ultimately find for him. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2024, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-he-was-convicted-big-honking-deal/1002368/208 "2024-06-03T21:18:32Z")
> Johnson added of the Supreme Court justices: “ **I know many of them personally, I think they’re deeply concerned about** ” faith in the U.S. justice system. Apparently the way to restore faith in the US justice system is to get the Supreme Court to overturn any lower court ruling that Johnson or Trump doesn’t like. 🙄 The hypocrisy is no longer subtle – it’s front and center of everything Republicans do. I’m only surprised Johnson didn’t threaten the Trump trial jurors with arrest. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2024, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-he-was-convicted-big-honking-deal/1002368/209 "2024-06-03T21:22:13Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > I’m only surprised Johnson didn’t threaten the Trump trial jurors with arrest. Give it a little time. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2024, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-he-was-convicted-big-honking-deal/1002368/210 "2024-06-03T21:22:37Z")
> [@Dissonance](#): > > > "Fox and Friends” Those morons again? > **[Did 'Fox and Friends' Call Fred Rogers an 'Evil, Evil Man'?](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/fox-fred-rogers-evil/)** > > The segment prompted numerous rebuttals condemning the "maliciousness of the attack" on the legacy of the children's TV host. ---
**Author:** ![El\_DeLuxo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_deluxo/32/9043_2.png) [@El\_DeLuxo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_DeLuxo)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2024, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-he-was-convicted-big-honking-deal/1002368/211 "2024-06-03T22:04:54Z")
I apologize for calling you a dipshit; that was wrong and out of hand. Don’t need any second chances from you though. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2024, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-he-was-convicted-big-honking-deal/1002368/212 "2024-06-03T22:06:44Z")
Offer rescinded. You are an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Rhodes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rhodes/32/273_2.png) [@Rhodes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhodes)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2024, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-he-was-convicted-big-honking-deal/1002368/213 "2024-06-03T22:15:41Z")
Interesting. Between 2009 and 2022, NY closed all of its minimum security prisons. [ETA: never mind. There’s still 3.] ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2024, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-he-was-convicted-big-honking-deal/1002368/214 "2024-06-03T23:20:41Z")
IIRC, there’s someone on this board who has first hand knowledge of the NY State prison system. @Little_Nemo ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2024, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-he-was-convicted-big-honking-deal/1002368/215 "2024-06-03T23:22:51Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > > [@wolfpup](#): > > > > I’m only surprised Johnson didn’t threaten the Trump trial jurors with arrest. > > Give it a little time. Not to worry, you don’t even have to give it time. > **[Trump Campaign Crafting Revenge Plans Against Everyone That Has Prosecuted Him](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18JJz72WqCU%2F)** > > According to Donald Trump's campaign press secretary, there are already plans in place for Trump to exact his revenge on everyone involved in his prosecution... ---
**Author:** ![Dung\_Beetle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dung_beetle/32/7945_2.png) [@Dung\_Beetle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dung_Beetle)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2024, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-he-was-convicted-big-honking-deal/1002368/216 "2024-06-03T23:38:25Z")
Jebus. Why not just call Dolly Parton a fat bitch and be done with it? If loving Mr. Rogers is wrong, I don’t wanna be right. ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2024, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-he-was-convicted-big-honking-deal/1002368/217 "2024-06-03T23:47:13Z")
That’s really dependent on where you are. Juries absolutely do set sentences in some places and courts. You’re right that in NY, sentencing for criminal matters is done by the judge, except for certain kinds of murders, which are sentenced by a jury. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2024, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-he-was-convicted-big-honking-deal/1002368/218 "2024-06-04T02:22:17Z")
Are they sentenced by the jury or does the jury make a recommendation? ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2024, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-he-was-convicted-big-honking-deal/1002368/219 "2024-06-04T02:24:37Z")
In a first degree murder conviction? There’s something called a “Sentencing Proceeding” where the jury decides whether it’s death or life imprisonment. [New York State Criminal Justice Handbook | New York City Bar Association (nycbar.org)](https://www.nycbar.org/new-york-state-criminal-justice-handbook/#:~:text=You%20may%20waive%20a%20jury,death%20is%20a%20possible%20sentence.) ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2024, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-he-was-convicted-big-honking-deal/1002368/220 "2024-06-04T03:44:19Z")
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