# So he was convicted. Big honking deal **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [June 1, 2024, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-he-was-convicted-big-honking-deal/1002368 "2024-06-01T03:34:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2024, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-he-was-convicted-big-honking-deal/1002368/61 "2024-06-01T12:55:24Z")
> [@Mijin](#): > > The lesser important thing is the effect on Trump, and the effect is that this will have hurt him a lot; not just the conviction but the trial itself. I wonder if anyone in his family believes that he didn’t f\*ck Stormy Daniels. He has stuck with denial, but come on. Does he have the ability to feel shame? ---
**Author:** ![El\_DeLuxo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_deluxo/32/9043_2.png) [@El\_DeLuxo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_DeLuxo)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2024, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-he-was-convicted-big-honking-deal/1002368/62 "2024-06-01T13:04:19Z")
Me, British? Where the hell did you get _that_ idea? ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2024, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-he-was-convicted-big-honking-deal/1002368/63 "2024-06-01T13:09:12Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > Daniels > [@kayaker](#): > > denial The latter is close enough to an anagram of the former for my taste. I’m convinced. ---
**Author:** ![griffin1977](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2024, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-he-was-convicted-big-honking-deal/1002368/64 "2024-06-01T13:11:48Z")
Basically all the assertions in the OP are false: > [@El\_DeLuxo](#): > > serves any time at all–which isn’t gonna happen for reasons There is a non-zero chance of Trump serving time. You can argue about what that chance is (my WAG is over 50%) but there is a chance. It’s not true to say it “isn’t gonna happen” > [@El\_DeLuxo](#): > > it’s going to be in one of those tennis-lessons prisons where they put all the rich, soft, white guys As others posters point out these don’t exist anywhere in America. And even the low security prisons that are (incorrectly) described that way are federal prisons so he’s not going there. > [@El\_DeLuxo](#): > > There will be no actual punishment, though, because he’s a wealthy ex-president, andthe rich and the politicians look out for and shelter each other. This is constantly trotted out as a reason Trump won’t be punished. But there it’s based on a fallacy. Yeah rich white powerful people who commit crimes are waay less likely to be punished in the US (and every other society on earth) but that’s because they are less likely to be prosecuted, more likely to be offered a lax plea deal, and less likely to be found guilty. None of that applies here. ---
**Author:** ![El\_DeLuxo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_deluxo/32/9043_2.png) [@El\_DeLuxo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_DeLuxo)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2024, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-he-was-convicted-big-honking-deal/1002368/65 "2024-06-01T13:17:15Z")
FPC Ashland KY. FPC Pensacola FL. FPC Yankton SD. Where rich white boys go to work on their golf swing and fake out the public that they’re being punished or rehabbed. ---
**Author:** ![griffin1977](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2024, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-he-was-convicted-big-honking-deal/1002368/66 "2024-06-01T13:22:55Z")
> [@El\_DeLuxo](#): > > FPC Ashland KY. FPC Pensacola FL. FPC Yankton SD. Where rich white boys go to work on their golf swing and fake out the public that they’re being punished or rehabbed Cite? Those prisons are “cushy” in comparison to the horror shows that make up the rest of the US incarceration complex, because they offer the absolute basic facilities (like access to email and some attempt at rehabilitation) they are still absolutely hideous places to be locked up (see article posted above) And Trump will absolutely not go to those as they are federal prisons ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2024, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-he-was-convicted-big-honking-deal/1002368/67 "2024-06-01T13:23:40Z")
One has to add here that the right in the USA _ **IS** _ claiming that this was a big deal. Although for revenge purposes and more worrisome: to disparage the justice system. About that: I do see the conviction as a big deal in the sense that the whole Republican party is getting more discredited for the appalling defense of Trump they are making, not only with progressives, but also with moderates. One has to realize this is the old right wing tactic of declaring that what the “enemy” does is to be strong and weak at the same time. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2024, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-he-was-convicted-big-honking-deal/1002368/68 "2024-06-01T13:31:37Z")
Where are you getting this info? Would this be one of your sources? [Club Fed (film) - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club_Fed_(film)) ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2024, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-he-was-convicted-big-honking-deal/1002368/69 "2024-06-01T13:41:46Z")
Yeah, El\_DeLuxo not being aware of recent changes, or what is really going on, is just good for making arguments from ignorance. > **[Gone Are America’s Cushiest Federal Prisons](https://www.forbes.com/sites/walterpavlo/2023/11/26/gone-are-americas-cushiest-federal-prisons/?sh=1296450e3cd9)** > > FPC Pensacola was once considered one of the easiest prisons to do time in the federal system ... no more. Infrastructure problems and overcrowding plague the camp. > Well, I can assure you that Pensacola Federal Camp is not cushy, it’s not a country club and it’s no Club Fed/Club Med. The days of “country club’’ prisons are long gone – if they ever existed. > > The long-closed federal prison camp at Eglin Air Force Base, also in Florida’s Panhandle, earned the title of Club Fed for its manicured grounds, sterling ball field and the fact that some inmates could serve as groundskeepers for an adjacent golf course. But the inmates couldn’t play golf, they didn’t have their own rooms and no one would mistake the place for anything other than an open-air prison. > People like investment banker Michael Milken, celebrity homemaker Martha Stewart, and New York City Police Chief Bernard Kerik all spent some time in minimum security and all have written or talked about it. > > None said it was a cakewalk. Because it isn’t. > > The Hall of Fame sports bettor Billy Walters devotes a chapter and a half in his bestseller Gambler: Secrets of a Life at Risk; to his time at FPC Pensacola. He writes: “Like a lot of folks, I thought I had understood and appreciated the concept of individual freedom. But I had no clue just how much we all should treasure our liberties until I lost mine. The daily decisions I take for granted – what to eat, what to wear, what time to go to bed – suddenly were stripped away. The only way to survive was to adapt and adjust to the realities of life inside the “the System.’’ > > Walters noted that “even in an institution without bars or walls, the inmates are penned up like cattle.’’ ---
**Author:** ![sciurophobic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cab0a1/32.png) [@sciurophobic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sciurophobic)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2024, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-he-was-convicted-big-honking-deal/1002368/70 "2024-06-01T13:46:42Z")
There are only 3 minimum security state prisons in New York, and there’s only one where he could be incarcerated and that’s [Queensboro](https://www.correctionhistory.org/html/chronicl/docs2day/queensboro.html), and that’s only for > inmates who have only a short time before they are released to parole supervision. If he gets a real sentence it’s going to be at least medium security. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2024, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-he-was-convicted-big-honking-deal/1002368/71 "2024-06-01T13:54:41Z")
I’m curious about the OP. Why post this? You’re angry that people are happy the rule of law was upheld? The cheering of a felony conviction of a reprehensible piece of human waste has somehow infuriated you? You enjoy reveling in your pessimism and “everything sucks” attitude like a overwhelmed teenager? I’m betting it’s actually just an expression of your frustration with the continued massive stupidity, hypocrisy, and lack of morality of Trump and his supporters. I would suggest that maybe pissing on people trying to celebrate a modicum of good news in a world of bad news isn’t the best use of your anger. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2024, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-he-was-convicted-big-honking-deal/1002368/72 "2024-06-01T14:02:50Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > no golf course. Holy shit! Trump is going to rant about cruel and unusual punishment. Do inmates have internet access? Someone mentioned checking email, but could Trump post directly to Truth Scocial? I would guess they can’t keep their phone and it would be amusing to watch Trump try to use a PC if he has access to one. I’m picturing Scotty talking into the mouse in _Star Trek: The Voyage Home_. ---
**Author:** ![griffin1977](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2024, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-he-was-convicted-big-honking-deal/1002368/73 "2024-06-01T14:19:52Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > I’m curious about the OP. Why post this? You’re angry that people are happy the rule of law was upheld? The cheering of a felony conviction of a reprehensible piece of human waste has somehow infuriated you? You enjoy reveling in your pessimism and “everything sucks” attitude like a overwhelmed teenager? Yeah this. Why are you bothered by this? An evil forner president who did a bunch of crimes has been convicted of a felony. That’s a good thing (and a big deal) and people are rightfully happy about it. Why does that bug you? No one is saying that its over, he will never be president again because of this. But it’s still something worth celebrating. ---
**Author:** ![blondebear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blondebear/32/1022_2.png) [@blondebear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blondebear)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2024, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-he-was-convicted-big-honking-deal/1002368/74 "2024-06-01T14:36:31Z")
Just imagine the crowing and moaning if he had been found innocent or there was a hung jury. I much prefer this outcome. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2024, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-he-was-convicted-big-honking-deal/1002368/75 "2024-06-01T14:39:50Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Where are you getting this info? Would this be one of your sources? > [Club Fed (film) - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club_Fed_(film)) Unfortunately, the myth of “Club Fed” continues to fester and does active harm to any effort to reform incarceration. In many Americans’ minds, if prisoners aren’t being actively tortured then they’re living a “cushy” life. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2024, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-he-was-convicted-big-honking-deal/1002368/76 "2024-06-01T14:44:06Z")
I’d still like to hear the OP explain what was farcical about the trial, other than Trump’s behavior. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2024, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-he-was-convicted-big-honking-deal/1002368/77 "2024-06-01T14:52:23Z")
Although much of what you say is true, and appeals may take years and ultimately be unsuccessful, the fact remains that Trump and all others who sometimes act presidential are deeply concerned about their legacies. This will sting. Hopefully, this will sting enough to result in sufficient people changing their minds. January 6th _was_ a big honking deal. Many think these charges are much less so. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2024, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-he-was-convicted-big-honking-deal/1002368/78 "2024-06-01T14:55:08Z")
> [@Dr\_Paprika](#): > > January 6th _was_ a big honking deal. Many think these charges are much less so. It was, in reality, still related to his ongoing cheating in elections. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2024, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-he-was-convicted-big-honking-deal/1002368/79 "2024-06-01T14:57:20Z")
Sure. But you know what I mean about “degrees of correlation”. Shady standard business practices are not sedition. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2024, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-he-was-convicted-big-honking-deal/1002368/80 "2024-06-01T15:05:22Z")
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