# So How Will Fox Spin OBL Death? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 2, 2011, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-how-will-fox-spin-obl-death/580451 "2011-05-02T04:21:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2011, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-how-will-fox-spin-obl-death/580451/21 "2011-05-02T06:00:52Z")
They’re going to give credit to Bush ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2011, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-how-will-fox-spin-obl-death/580451/22 "2011-05-02T06:15:26Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > _Please_ tell me that’s a fake. I don’t think it’s a fake, but it’s also just a local Fox affiliate and not FNC. ---
**Author:** ![Hippy\_Hollow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hippy_hollow/32/4841_2.png) [@Hippy\_Hollow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hippy_Hollow)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2011, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-how-will-fox-spin-obl-death/580451/23 "2011-05-02T06:20:19Z")
> [@Baffle](#): > > Tomorrow’s Fox News headline: > > “African-American male confesses to murder of homeless elderly man” Awesome. ---
**Author:** ![x-ray\_vision](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/x-ray_vision/32/351_2.png) [@x-ray\_vision](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/x-ray_vision)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2011, 6:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-how-will-fox-spin-obl-death/580451/24 "2011-05-02T06:57:10Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > _Please_ tell me that’s a fake. [http://blog.zap2it.com/pop2it/2011/05/obama-bin-laden-dead-fox-news-affiliate-defends-itself-for-typo.html](http://blog.zap2it.com/pop2it/2011/05/obama-bin-laden-dead-fox-news-affiliate-defends-itself-for-typo.html) ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2011, 7:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-how-will-fox-spin-obl-death/580451/25 "2011-05-02T07:08:24Z")
> [@Baffle](#): > > Tomorrow’s Fox News headline: > > “African-American male confesses to murder of homeless elderly man” You left out: “Living in government-provided housing.” ---
**Author:** ![2ply](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/2/b2d939/32.png) [@2ply](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/2ply)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2011, 7:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-how-will-fox-spin-obl-death/580451/26 "2011-05-02T07:16:38Z")
There’s going to be right wing outrage Monday over bin Laden’s body being handled “according to Islamic tradition.” ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2011, 7:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-how-will-fox-spin-obl-death/580451/27 "2011-05-02T07:30:29Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > My predictions: > > 1. Call it “a victory for all America”. Big emphasis on the military and CIA. Give them all the credit and none will be left over for the White House. It is a victory for America. There should be a big emphasis on the military and the CIA as they are the ones who found bin Laden and took him out. And, as I said in another thread, it’s no great shakes for a president to say, “Okay, grab him or take him out” - especially considering who “him” was. Frankly it would have bordered on treason not to have given that order. I’m glad that Obama has not abandoned Afghanistan to the Taliban and I’m glad that we were able to locate Obama and take him out, and I’m glad Obama took the decisive action that he did. But really, all the gushing over Obama that’s taking place around here is way over the top. ---
**Author:** ![Baffle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/dec6dc/32.png) [@Baffle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baffle)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2011, 7:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-how-will-fox-spin-obl-death/580451/28 "2011-05-02T07:45:33Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I’m glad that we were able to locate Obama and take him out _gasp_ Treason! ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2011, 7:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-how-will-fox-spin-obl-death/580451/29 "2011-05-02T07:51:43Z")
Dammit, now I’m doing it. And I tried to be so careful too. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![R.P.McMurphy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7993a0/32.png) [@R.P.McMurphy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/R.P.McMurphy)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2011, 8:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-how-will-fox-spin-obl-death/580451/30 "2011-05-02T08:08:28Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > It is a victory for America. There should be a big emphasis on the military and the CIA as they are the ones who found bin Laden and took him out. And, as I said in another thread, it’s no great shakes for a president to say, “Okay, grab him or take him out” - especially considering who “him” was. Frankly it would have bordered on treason not to have given that order. > > I’m glad that Obama has not abandoned Afghanistan to the Taliban and I’m glad that we were able to locate Obama and take him out, and I’m glad Obama took the decisive action that he did. But really, all the gushing over Obama that’s taking place around here is way over the top. Please, give us all a break. bin Laden was cornered in Tora Bora and due to ineptitude was allowed to escape. Read “The Looming Towers”. The Bushies had eight years to find him, found him, and let him go. The Obama administration nailed him. Give credit where credit is due. > [@](#): > > I’m glad that we were able to locate Obama and take him out, Just based on this quote from your post, you are a total asshole. It says plenty about you. Please go away. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2011, 8:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-how-will-fox-spin-obl-death/580451/31 "2011-05-02T08:32:44Z")
> [@R.P.McMurphy](#): > > Please, give us all a break. bin Laden was cornered in Tora Bora and due to ineptitude was allowed to escape. Read “The Looming Towers”. The Bushies had eight years to find him, found him, and let him go. The Obama administration nailed him. Give credit where credit is due. No, “Bush” didn’t have eight years to find him (though he did blow it at Tora Bora); the CIA and the U.S. military had eight years to find him. But it took them longer than that. It took them about ten years as it turns out. Thus they deserve the credit. What Obama did was receive the information they developed and give the go-ahead to capture or kill bin Laden. Under the circumstances, any president would have done the same. I have no problem with jubilation over this event, nor of Democrats taking pride in the Obama administration for it. But to act like this makes him a shoo-in for reelection, or that it was due to some particular brilliance on his part is way over the top. > [@R.P.McMurphy](#): > > Just based on this quote from your post, you are a total asshole. It says plenty about you. Please go away. All it says about me is that it’s easy to type “Obama” when you mean to type “Osama”. The sentence doesn’t even make sense the way you’re trying to interpret it. ---
**Author:** ![Baboonanza](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f475e1/32.png) [@Baboonanza](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baboonanza)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2011, 8:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-how-will-fox-spin-obl-death/580451/32 "2011-05-02T08:34:33Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > It is a victory for America. There should be a big emphasis on the military and the CIA as they are the ones who found bin Laden and took him out. And, as I said in another thread, it’s no great shakes for a president to say, “Okay, grab him or take him out” - especially considering who “him” was. Frankly it would have bordered on treason not to have given that order. > > I’m glad that Obama has not abandoned Afghanistan to the Taliban and I’m glad that we were able to locate Obama and take him out, and I’m glad Obama took the decisive action that he did. But really, all the gushing over Obama that’s taking place around here is way over the top. I agree with **Starving Artist** :eek: The credit belongs to the hundreds of men and women in the intelligence and military services who have worked to make this happen, especially those who put their lives on the line to do it. Obama has certainly played his part but he deserves no more credit than any one of them, and I’d like to think that he would agree. To a certain degree he just happenned to be the man in office at the time. ---
**Author:** ![R.P.McMurphy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7993a0/32.png) [@R.P.McMurphy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/R.P.McMurphy)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2011, 8:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-how-will-fox-spin-obl-death/580451/33 "2011-05-02T08:39:44Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > No, “Bush” didn’t have eight years to find him (though he did blow it at Tora Bora); the CIA and the U.S. military had eight years to find him. But it took them longer than that. It took them about ten years as it turns out. Thus they deserve the credit. What Obama did was receive the information they developed and give the go-ahead to capture or kill bin Laden. Under the circumstances, any president would have done the same. > > I have no problem with jubilation over this event, nor of Democrats taking pride in the Obama administration for it. But to act like this makes him a shoo-in for reelection, or that it was due to some particular brilliance on his part is way over the top. > > All it says about me is that it’s easy to type “Obama” when you mean to type “Osama”. The sentence doesn’t even make sense the way you’re trying to interpret it. Yea, Obama should have been out the in his camos hunting him down. Get real. Bush (and his administration, Rumsfeld, Cheney and the rest of those assholes) blew it, Obama (and his administration) did it. As to your typo, you are just fucked up and it proves your bias. Ever hear of Freud? ---
**Author:** ![Otara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a88e4f/32.png) [@Otara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otara)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2011, 8:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-how-will-fox-spin-obl-death/580451/34 "2011-05-02T08:49:23Z")
The BBC also got it wrong, and is hardly a hotbed for right wing thought. Freud also said sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Stop over-interpretting. Otara ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2011, 8:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-how-will-fox-spin-obl-death/580451/35 "2011-05-02T08:52:24Z")
> [@R.P.McMurphy](#): > > Yea, Obama should have been out the in his camos hunting him down. Get real. Bush (and his administration, Rumsfeld, Cheney and the rest of those assholes) blew it, Obama (and his administration) did it. Another non sequitur from you. I didn’t say Obama should have been running around Pakistan in camos looking for. What I’m saying is the people who were looking for him and found him deserve the crediit. All Obama did was receive the information and give the go-ahead. There is nothing wrong in that- it’s exactly what he should have done as president. But that’s all he did, and the hero-worshipping he’s coming in for around here because of it is just silly. > [@R.P.McMurphy](#): > > As to your typo, you are just fucked up and it proves your bias. Ever hear of Freud? Yeah, and I’m also aware that sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. 😃 Besides, I’m not the only one to make that mistake, and I doubt that you’ll accuse [MSNBC](http://dailycaller.com/2011/05/02/typo-msnbc-correspondent-accidentally-reports-on-twitter-that-obama-killed/) of Freudian bias. ETA: Or, what **Otara** said. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Capt.Ridley\_s\_Shooting\_Party](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/cc9497/32.png) [@Capt.Ridley\_s\_Shooting\_Party](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capt.Ridley_s_Shooting_Party)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2011, 8:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-how-will-fox-spin-obl-death/580451/36 "2011-05-02T08:54:18Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > It is a victory for America. There should be a big emphasis on the military and the CIA as they are the ones who found bin Laden and took him out. And, as I said in another thread, it’s no great shakes for a president to say, “Okay, grab him or take him out” - especially considering who “him” was. Frankly it would have bordered on treason not to have given that order. The SAS and Delta Force had OBL cornered in Tora Bora in 2001. They were called off the attack by the American command they were working under. See [this](http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3724/is_200202/ai_n9076616/pg_2/?tag=mantle_skin;content) article published in the Spectator about Kissinger visiting the SAS’s barracks in Hereford to explain why they were called off (afraid of casualties!). [Senate report](http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/29/osama-bin-laden-senate-report) confirmed that the Bush administration let him escape. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2011, 9:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-how-will-fox-spin-obl-death/580451/37 "2011-05-02T09:03:35Z")
I know that Bush blew it in Tora Bora. But why does that have to do with Obama today? Bush wasn’t willing to sacrifice hundreds or maybe thousands of American lives to go into the mountains and caves of Tora Bora and thereby allowed bin Laden to escape. Obama heard that bin Laden was holed up in private residence and could be taken with a couple of helicopters and 20 to 25 elite military personnel. so he gave the go ahead. I don’t see how this makes Bush a villian, nor Obama a hero. If anything, Bush’s decision was the more courageous, given that the whole country was (understandably) yapping at his heels to get bin Laden. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2011, 10:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-how-will-fox-spin-obl-death/580451/38 "2011-05-02T10:36:35Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > No, “Bush” didn’t have eight years to find him (though he did blow it at Tora Bora); the CIA and the U.S. military had eight years to find him. But it took them longer than that. It took them about ten years as it turns out. Thus they deserve the credit. What Obama did was receive the information they developed and give the go-ahead to capture or kill bin Laden. Under the circumstances, any president would have done the same. > > I have no problem with jubilation over this event, nor of Democrats taking pride in the Obama administration for it. But to act like this makes him a shoo-in for reelection, or that it was due to some particular brilliance on his part is way over the top. Keep wishing. “The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him.” - G.W. Bush, 9/13/01 "I don’t know where bin Laden is. **I have no idea and really don’t care. It’s not that important. It’s not our priority."** - G.W. Bush, 3/13/02 “And so shortly after taking office **I directed Leon Panetta, the director of the CIA, to make the killing or capture of Osama Bin Laden the top priority of the war against Al Qaeda.** … …Today at my direction the US conducted an operation against that compound in Abadabad, Pakistan …After a firefight they killed Osama Bin Laden and took custody of his body…” -Barack HUSSEIN Obama, 5/1/2011 ---
**Author:** ![MandaJo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac91a4/32.png) [@MandaJo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MandaJo)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2011, 11:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-how-will-fox-spin-obl-death/580451/39 "2011-05-02T11:36:18Z")
My prediction for the general spin on the right, though maybe not Fox News: Bush could have killed Osama at any time (I mean, the greatest military the world has ever known can obviously kill any one man, right?) but understood that it was a bad idea because (insert reason here). Obama had those reasons laid out for him, but was so desperate for glory/positive media attention/to draw attention away from (made up threat) that he screwed America by killing Osama as a cheap publicity stunt. ---
**Author:** ![cedman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/da6949/32.png) [@cedman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cedman)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2011, 11:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-how-will-fox-spin-obl-death/580451/40 "2011-05-02T11:38:46Z")
Ha! All this shit throwing back and forth about Bush and Obama… How about a mention of Clinton missing the opportunity to get Osama years BEFORE 9-11 for a little perspective on BOTH sides of the fence? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-how-will-fox-spin-obl-death/580451.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-how-will-fox-spin-obl-death/580451.md?page=3)