# So I guess we really DIDN'T mean it this time **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [October 15, 2013, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-i-guess-we-really-didnt-mean-it-this-time/671276 "2013-10-15T02:47:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2013, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-i-guess-we-really-didnt-mean-it-this-time/671276/81 "2013-10-16T20:26:28Z")
> [@Karrius](#): > > Just an FYI, this thread would be a lot more convincing if you weren’t posting in it. > > As long as people like magellan are still on this forum, the stuff DerThris says will never seem overly hyperbolic. Huh? I don’t know you from a stripper in Cleveland, a place I have never been. Perhaps you should start a pit thread and cite all overly hyperbolic posts I’ve made and call me all sorts of mean things. Think of the fun! Of course, that’s just one option. There are others, which I will leave to your imagination and sense of adventure. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2013, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-i-guess-we-really-didnt-mean-it-this-time/671276/82 "2013-10-16T20:30:02Z")
Oh, I see Jonathan Chance already chimed in. Should have read all the way to the end of the thread before posting. ---
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2013, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-i-guess-we-really-didnt-mean-it-this-time/671276/83 "2013-10-16T22:33:34Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > You get $50 just for being Jewish? Wow. I don’t even get 50 cents for being Mormon. ☹ Incredible, considering the fact that 50 Cent is Mormon ! ---
**Author:** ![PlainJain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5daacb/32.png) [@PlainJain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlainJain)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2013, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-i-guess-we-really-didnt-mean-it-this-time/671276/84 "2013-10-16T23:01:20Z")
> [@TubaDiva](#): > > This is just simply not true and hyperbolic claims like this don’t contribute anything useful to the discussion. So please don’t do this. There were three sentences in his post, not sure what you are referring to but this one: _“If I posted like he did I have no doubt I would be banned. I probably wouldn’t last a week.”_ Is true and not at all hyperbolic. The claim that he runs _completely_ amuck might be a bit of an exaggeration but certainly not hyperbolic. If he had left out the word “completely” it would be fairly true, imo. As to the incriminating pictures of Cecil, I have no opinion. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2013, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-i-guess-we-really-didnt-mean-it-this-time/671276/85 "2013-10-16T23:15:19Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > It’s not remotely hyperbolic. Although, given that you’re talking about Der T, telling a member not to make hyperbolic claims and telling them that those claims don’t contribute to a discussion is hysterical. > > I want to know if this _finally_ means that you’re giving all members explicit permission to post exactly like Trihs does (maybe with the parties swapped, maybe not) with the stated guarantee that everyone’ll just be mod-noted at worst? > > Because either you’re allowing everyone to post exactly the same sort of bile-filled, content-free spewage he does _or_ you’re giving him special permission to post that way > > And my experience, based on the answers I’ve gotten every time I’ve asked this, is “No, he has special permission”. > > I’ll even make it easier for you. Can I find posts of Der Trihs’s that did not garner warnings or mod notes and repost them, rephrasing them slightly to match my own opinions without getting a warning? Because in the past, I’ve been told “No” There’s “Talk Like a Pirate Day”, so maybe we need a “Post like **Der Trihs** Day” on this MB. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2013, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-i-guess-we-really-didnt-mean-it-this-time/671276/86 "2013-10-17T02:27:58Z")
> [@Karrius](#): > > Just an FYI, this thread would be a lot more convincing if you weren’t posting in it. > > As long as people like magellan are still on this forum, the stuff DerThris says will never seem overly hyperbolic. Der Trihs has argued that women are so untrustworthy and prone to falsely accuse men of rape that it would be “prudent” for men secretly record all their sexual encounters. He also stated that the female posters on this thread had convinced him of this. I won’t pretend to be a fan of him, but I don’t recall Magellan ever claiming that blacks, Muslims, or Hispanics were so prone to committing violent crimes that they needed to be constantly videotaped and that the Black/Hispanic/Muslim posters on this site convinced him of that. That said, such an attitude is hardly politically correct so I think Magellan’s claim about Der being treated with kid gloves because he’s a left-winger is bullshit. I’d say it’s more that certain behavior towards certain groups is more acceptable than others. For example, while Jews often face some fairly extreme attacks on this site, people get smacked down for comments that would be perfectly permissible against Muslims. Similarly certain comments regarding women are considered acceptable that would not be against other groups. ---
**Author:** ![bldysabba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ecccb3/32.png) [@bldysabba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bldysabba)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2013, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-i-guess-we-really-didnt-mean-it-this-time/671276/87 "2013-10-17T07:07:09Z")
I’m no fan of DT and his posting style, so I try not to read/engage him, but I think he’s very careful about staying within the rules, and it’s unfair to the moderators to say that they cut him special slack. If you could finesse your extremist views from the other side of the fence in the same way that he does, I have no doubt you could survive just as long. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2013, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-i-guess-we-really-didnt-mean-it-this-time/671276/88 "2013-10-18T14:32:44Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Shit, I got a warning in an ATMB thread for just disagreeing with a mod’s characterization of my remarks, supposedly because I should have started a new ATMB thread to do so. That shouldn’t happen as much in the future now that they have lowered the quota. ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2013, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-i-guess-we-really-didnt-mean-it-this-time/671276/89 "2013-10-18T17:25:38Z")
> [@TroutMan](#): > > I see where you’re coming from and how DT’s comments could be interpreted that way. But I didn’t read them as arguing with a Mod. IMO, his original comment that got a mod note wasn’t wildly out of place in the thread, but it was just over the line enough to warrant a note. I think using the word “evil” is the tipping point for me - it’s not being a jerk or something deserving of a warning, but it hinders further debate rather than continuing it. > > His subsequent posts, however, were more in line with the debate and didn’t use the overtly prejudicial wording of his first. He raised points that, while many might not agree with them, at least didn’t cut off further discussion. Keep in mind that the mods aren’t just looking at a single post or a single thread in a vacuum of their own; it’s more because at least from where I sit, DT has a habit of coming into a thread with a good, respectful discussion about something that may or may not need to devolve into conservative/liberal or Republican/Democrat partisanship, and bombing the thread with some inflammatory post about how the Evil Republicans did this or that and how their conscious motives are always and must necessarily be the most outrageously base, hateful and greedy motivations possible by mankind. If two people were talking about why one qb did better the week before vs. another, and they’re keeping it civil and talking about passing sets and defenses and coverage, etc… DT would be some third guy who would walk up and accuse the QB he doesn’t like of playing poorly because he’s a child molester and has bet his NFL money on the outcome of the game. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2013, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-i-guess-we-really-didnt-mean-it-this-time/671276/90 "2013-10-18T21:33:42Z")
> [@bump](#): > > Keep in mind that the mods aren’t just looking at a single post or a single thread in a vacuum of their own; it’s more because at least from where I sit, DT has a habit of coming into a thread with a good, respectful discussion about something that may or may not need to devolve into conservative/liberal or Republican/Democrat partisanship, and bombing the thread with some inflammatory post about how the Evil Republicans did this or that and how their conscious motives are always and must necessarily be the most outrageously base, hateful and greedy motivations possible by mankind. > > If two people were talking about why one qb did better the week before vs. another, and they’re keeping it civil and talking about passing sets and defenses and coverage, etc… DT would be some third guy who would walk up and accuse the QB he doesn’t like of playing poorly because he’s a child molester and has bet his NFL money on the outcome of the game. Or, something like [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=705297): [QUOTE=Der Trihs] Because they appear to largely define “manly” as “psychopathic”, and libertarianism is an ideological imitation of psychopathy. [/QUOTE] Now, obviously Libertarianism isn’t exactly a well respected philosophy in these parts. Even a board Mod felt the need to get in a dig at Ayn Rand in the thread linked to above after all. But Der feels the need to just blow the doors off the discussion by saying that Libertarians are psychopaths and the ideology is an imitation of psychopathy. And, of course, no one bats and eye at this…it’s just another day on the board with Der flaming in GD. But it’s only insulting to Libertarians, and who cares about them…or conservatives for that matter? Or folks of a religious bent? They are all psychopaths anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2013, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-i-guess-we-really-didnt-mean-it-this-time/671276/91 "2013-10-18T22:47:29Z")
Der may have been alluding to Ayn Rand’s infatuation with the kidnapper [William Edward Hickman](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Edward_Hickman). [QUOTE=Ayn Rand] It is repulsive to see all those beings with worse sins and crimes in their own lives, virtuously condemning a criminal, proud and secure in their number, yelling furiously in defense of society. This is not just the case of a terrible crime. It is not the crime alone that has raised the fury of public hatred. It is the case of a daring challenge to society. It is the fact that a crime has been committed by one man, alone; that this man knew it was against all laws of humanity and intended it that way; that he does not want to recognize it as a crime and that he feels superior to all. It is the amazing picture of a man with no regard whatever for all that society holds sacred, and with a consciousness alone. A man who really stands alone, in action and in soul. [/QUOTE] Mr. Hickman was tried and convicted of the kidnapping, murder and dismemberment of Marion Parker, a 12-year-old girl. Her name did not appear in Ms. Rand’s writings. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2013, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-i-guess-we-really-didnt-mean-it-this-time/671276/92 "2013-10-19T00:25:33Z")
> [@bldysabba](#): > > but I think he’s very careful about staying within the rules This is true. Just happens to be a slightly different set of rules than the other posters are held to. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2013, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-i-guess-we-really-didnt-mean-it-this-time/671276/93 "2013-10-19T02:31:17Z")
Look, I really don’t mind you criticizing me, because well, what the hell, right? But I do NOT want this thread to become ‘Beat on Der Trihs’. This is not the Pit and shouldn’t be used that way. XT, I’ll explain this one time. Der Trihs shot at libertarians was in no way personal and couldn’t be taken as an attack. Over the top, perhaps, but I see worse most days in politically-oriented threads. It didn’t even justify a note, much less any other action. I can’t define where I think the line is because I’m glad to admit it’s fuzzy. Nor do I care to try to make any statements that would be held for any other moderators. But I will intervene where I - and I alone - think it appropriate. I do think that - because there’s such a long history here - there might be a bit of hyperfocus on Der Trihs that might get people jumpy about him where they might not otherwise. Now, again. Take shots at me. Hell, call me ugly if you want. Meessa no care. But I can’t let this be the official ‘bitch about another poster’ thread. If that continues I’ll lock it and we can move on. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2013, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-i-guess-we-really-didnt-mean-it-this-time/671276/94 "2013-10-19T03:32:22Z")
**John** , it’s not really about you. Whether you like it or not, it is about _all_ the mods. You are one of them, and people believe that y’all, as a group, seem to be using a different set of rules in regards to **Der Trihs**. In this very thread we have another mod, **Tuba Diva** , cautioning a poster for “hyperbolic claims”. Surely you see the irony there. I’m not asking for y’all to warn him or ban him, but y’all should probably try a bit harder to reign him in a little bit. ---
**Author:** ![bldysabba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ecccb3/32.png) [@bldysabba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bldysabba)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2013, 9:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-i-guess-we-really-didnt-mean-it-this-time/671276/95 "2013-10-19T09:48:51Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > Der may have been alluding to Ayn Rand’s infatuation with the kidnapper [William Edward Hickman](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Edward_Hickman). Yeah, I’d like to see a cite that the quote you posted was about Hickman. From the wiki > [@](#): > > Rand wanted the protagonist of her novel to be “A Hickman with a purpose. \*\*And without the degeneracy. \*\* It is more exact to say that the model is not Hickman, but what Hickman suggested to me.” Like most of the blind hatred that gets thrown at Rand, you ignore context. ---
**Author:** ![bldysabba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ecccb3/32.png) [@bldysabba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bldysabba)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2013, 9:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-i-guess-we-really-didnt-mean-it-this-time/671276/96 "2013-10-19T09:51:16Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > This is true. Just happens to be a slightly different set of rules than the other posters are held to. I’m not convinced of this. Attacking groups and ideas is explicitly allowed as long as you don’t attack posters. And he’s careful not to do that. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2013, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-i-guess-we-really-didnt-mean-it-this-time/671276/97 "2013-10-19T12:51:24Z")
> [@bldysabba](#): > > I’m not convinced of this. Attacking groups and ideas is explicitly allowed as long as you don’t attack posters. And he’s careful not to do that. Hate speech is attacking a group and it’s not allowed. His take on religion comes _awful_ close to that. Attacking groups may be a grey area, but if he’s talking about how all US soldiers hate Muslim babies or something, it doesn’t take much to realize that a poster who is a US soldier just might be a touch offended. And I won’t even get into the guy’s opinions on women. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2013, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-i-guess-we-really-didnt-mean-it-this-time/671276/98 "2013-10-19T15:53:44Z")
[QUOTE=Jonathan Chance] XT, I’ll explain this one time. Der Trihs shot at libertarians was in no way personal and couldn’t be taken as an attack. Over the top, perhaps, but I see worse most days in politically-oriented threads. It didn’t even justify a note, much less any other action. [/QUOTE] Bullshit. He came into the thread and instantly started flaming. If I did the same in a thread about liberals and called all liberals psychopaths and the liberal philosophy psychopathic then I’d rightfully garner AT A FUCKING MINIMUM a Mod note. And if I didn’t I’d be shocked, since not only would I be flaming but I’d pretty obviously be trolling for liberals. You are a Mod, so you can do as you please, but don’t try this condescending horseshit on me and explain it like I’m a child who just fell off the turnip truck and it’s my first day here. I’ve been here for a decade now, and I know full well how this place works, and what will or won’t garner a Mod note or a warning. If I didn’t, especially with my temper, I’d be long gone. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2013, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-i-guess-we-really-didnt-mean-it-this-time/671276/99 "2013-10-19T17:50:04Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > Look, I really don’t mind you criticizing me, because well, what the hell, right? > > But I do NOT want this thread to become ‘Beat on Der Trihs’. This is not the Pit and shouldn’t be used that way. I hate that this dumbass new (last few years “new”) exists. There’s no way to state the complaint that Der Trihs gets special treatment without also discussing his insane posting drivel. > [@](#): > > XT, I’ll explain this one time. Der Trihs shot at libertarians was in no way personal and couldn’t be taken as an attack. Over the top, perhaps, but I see worse most days in politically-oriented threads. It didn’t even justify a note, much less any other action. So, I could post…repeatedly across multiple threads that “All liberals are degenerate child-rapists and only want their agenda implemented because it dehumanizes people so that they can rape _more_ children”? And it would be especially fine if I did it in response to a comment _by_ a liberal? Because the construction you mods let Der T. get away with is idiotic: Republican: I believe XYZ. I am a Republican. Der T. : All people who believe XYZ or who are repugnicans are women-hating evil monsters who should all be shot. Not that I’m attacking you personally. How in the world is that anything other than a personal attack? No other poster would be able to get away with doing that as often, or as repeatedly as Der T. does. And if you think that’s not the case, I’d like explicit permission to post exactly the same stuff as Der T. in GD. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2013, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-i-guess-we-really-didnt-mean-it-this-time/671276/100 "2013-10-19T19:05:14Z")
> [@bldysabba](#): > > I’m not convinced of this. Attacking groups and ideas is explicitly allowed as long as you don’t attack posters. And he’s careful not to do that. Except the mods have also made it clear that if they think you are trying to insult people while staying within the letter of the law they will slap you down for it even if they are staying within the letter of the law. As one, I’m not sure which, said, “We don’t let someone wave his fist in front of another’s face while screaming 'I’m not touching you! I’m not touching you!”. Similarly, they’ve also made it clear that while the rule is “attack the post not the poster” if it appears that your attack on the post is meant as an attack on the poster, they will step in. Der of course has freely admitted that he deliberately manipulates the rules to allow him to insult other posters while staying within the guidelines. > [@](#): > > I’ll also say that sometimes what I say unintentionally comes across as accusations that my opponents are crazy, when in fact I think they’re just lying. But we can’t say “I don’t believe you” in GD, so the rules of GD essentially force people into implying that other people are crazy - because after all if they say things that they know are false but aren’t lying, then what else is there for them to be but “crazy”? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-i-guess-we-really-didnt-mean-it-this-time/671276.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-i-guess-we-really-didnt-mean-it-this-time/671276.md?page=6)