# So . . . I wasted my vote, eh? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 24, 2000, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-i-wasted-my-vote-eh/42493 "2000-11-24T02:29:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2000, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-i-wasted-my-vote-eh/42493/21 "2000-11-27T01:36:26Z")
Hmmm…Uglytruth…the name is somehow very fitting… :rolleyes: Libertarians scare me…here’s an extreme example. [http://www.tcs.ac](http://www.tcs.ac) ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2000, 7:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-i-wasted-my-vote-eh/42493/22 "2000-11-27T07:48:10Z")
> [@](#): > > Didn’t I punk you out on another thread already? You’ve yet to “punk out” anybody on this board. I doubt you have the mental capacity to “punk out” a lima bean. But I’ll humor you. Where do you think you’ve “punked out” me, or anybody else? A link would be nice. > [@](#): > > Did I say “EVERY SINGLE REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRAT IN THE COUNTRY BEGGED ME TO VOTE FOR THEIR CANDIDATE?” Excuse me? Did I say you said that? No, you waste of matter. I’ll make things very simple for your infantile understanding… I’m trying to hint at the fact that you’re an idiot. > [@](#): > > my guess is you don’t have a job and spend all day on Mommy and Daddy’s computer and don’t have $100 to your name. Wow. There’s that Ironclad Argument again. “You’re not rich so you’re stupid!” Gee, I’m astounded. I suppose you’re the very epitome of good work ethics and maturity, yourself? I suppose a good example of your work would be that brilliant writing that you submitted to the Teemings E-zine? > [@](#): > > Whose going “Neener neerner neener”? The pseudo-phrase “neener neener neener” is a reference to schoolchildren mocking others for some imagined boost of status. Me telling you that you have your head up your ass isn’t acting thus, it’s simply telling you that you have your head up your ass. I apologize for hurting your feelings… apparently, your sensitivity to your own name (that is, the ugly truth) hampers the flow of electrons in your cerebral cortex. ---
**Author:** ![anya\_marie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ebca7d/32.png) [@anya\_marie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anya_marie)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2000, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-i-wasted-my-vote-eh/42493/23 "2000-11-27T12:25:37Z")
Do i wish that there were more viable third party candidates? \*\* Yes. \*\* Have I wasted my vote by voting libertarian? - One could debate that until the year 3000 \* Am i embarassed by the shit **theugly truth** is flinging while the bitch pretends to be a “good” libertarian? \* Big time\* Do you know that i was as unsure who to vote for as the rest of the country? I voted with my conscience, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions. I am a libertarian and i am not enjoying this ballot mayhem one bit. Libertarians want a smaller government, 'tis true, but i do not think anybody want the government to shut down, no matter your political party. And I do not want a big government to hold my hand, and watch over my every move, I do not want the republicans to sell everything to their buddies in big oil, I do not want late term abortions to be legal. I think schooll vouchers are a good thing. I shall never understand why so many candidates claim to be for public schools, and then turn 'round and send their children to pricey private schools, and oppose voucher programs. > [@](#): > > originally posted by Slythe > If Nader’s party is dead in the water, with no matching funds and not one viable candidate on any level, it’s his fault entirely. We are asking him why he acted like a self-serving and self-important demagogue, when his party needed a leader. That is something that i have wondered, why after all the times Nader has run for the Oval Office, he, or any other third=party candidate has yet to get 5% of the vote! You would think with so many who are apparently discontented with the Republicans and the Democrats, that Gore and Bush should get so many votes, popular and electoral. ---
**Author:** ![Zoff](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/6de8d8/32.png) [@Zoff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoff)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2000, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-i-wasted-my-vote-eh/42493/24 "2000-11-27T20:12:59Z")
> [@](#): > > Libertarians scare me…here’s an extreme example. > [http://www.tcs.ac](http://www.tcs.ac) theuglytruth is discussing (poorly) voting for the Libertarian candidate, so you attack “libertarians” by pointing to some fringe group that claims it has “libertarians” among them. I bet some of those members vote Democratic and Republican. That’s why Democrats and Republicans scare me. I’m not an apologist for the Libertarian Party, but I’ve seen this argument enough that I think it’s worth discussing. The term “libertarian” is bandied about by a lot of people and refers to both a philosophy and a political party. The term, in reference to the philosophy, is often defined out of existence. I heard the lead singer of Chumbawumba say she was libertarian even though she wants to essentially end private ownership of goods. But since this is a thread about political parties, stick to a critique of the party instead of citing obscure child-rearing tracts. If your cite is what scares you about Libertarians, then you shouldn’t be afraid. If Libertarians “scare” you for another reason, that’s fine, but try citing something about the party that scares you. ---
**Author:** ![Crunchy\_Frog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ebca7d/32.png) [@Crunchy\_Frog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crunchy_Frog)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2000, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-i-wasted-my-vote-eh/42493/25 "2000-11-27T20:34:37Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by anya marie \* > \*_Am i embarassed by the shit **theugly truth** is flinging while the bitch pretends to be a “good” libertarian? \* Big time_ \*\* Don’t sweat it, **anya marie**. I’m sure most of the posters here are smart enough to realize this schmuck doesn’t speak for the whole Libertarian party any more than I speak for the whole Donner Party. I alluded to that in an earlier post by saying, “. . . you top it off by stating that the Libertarian dream is that the country be thrown into chaos as the Federal govt collapses? How many other Libertarians do you think would agree with that sentiment?” And **Zoff** , not that you have to do this or anything, but if that site is a poor represntation of Libertarians, could you post a site that more accurately explains what they stand for? I’m unclear about the whole Libertarian philosophy and party. I’m ignorant in this area, how about helping me fight it? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Zoff](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/6de8d8/32.png) [@Zoff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoff)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2000, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-i-wasted-my-vote-eh/42493/26 "2000-11-28T02:20:22Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Crunchy Frog_ > And Zoff, not that you have to do this or anything, but if that site is a poor represntation of Libertarians, could you post a site that more accurately explains what they stand for? I’m unclear about the whole Libertarian philosophy and party. I’m ignorant in this area, how about helping me fight it? I guess the best place would be either the Libertarian Party homepage at [http://www.lp.org](http://www.lp.org) or [http://www.HarryBrowne2000.org](http://www.HarryBrowne2000.org) which is the website of the presidential candidate. And to expand upon my earlier rant about this issue, the issue isn’t whether somebody supports a party or not. It’s that it still seems acceptable to find some nutcase who claims to be a libertarian or green or socialist or whatever and hold that person out as a strawman. I’m sure you can find plenty of fringe idiots who vote either Republican or Democrat yet nobody would hold these people out as representative of the party. I generally avoid the Pit because I have no desire to go after anybody or try to out-insult people, but the mention of this issue got me going. I also don’t mean to attack Guinastasia, since I don’t know her from Adam. I don’t claim to know whether she feels her linked website represents libertarianism or not, so I don’t want to sound like I am attacking. I have now added so many caveats to my post that I am puking pablum. I just needed to vent on my little tangent. I am at peace. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2000, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-i-wasted-my-vote-eh/42493/27 "2000-11-28T03:06:36Z")
It’s okay, Zoff. No, I don’t think all libertarians are like that…that’s just been my experience. I’m not a fan of extremists. Now, I have to stop being nice-this is the Pit, after all. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![theuglytruth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@theuglytruth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/theuglytruth)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2000, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-i-wasted-my-vote-eh/42493/28 "2000-11-28T03:50:32Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Crunchy Frog \* > \*\*Ok **uglytruth** , let’s skip all the other crap you’ve been spewing in this thread and focus on your OP: > > > [@](#): > > > > \*\* . . . . dent by January 20th, and the Libertarian dream will finally come true: the Federal government will shut down as Strom Thurmond’s advisors try to figure out where to dispose of his colostomy bags in the White House garbage!\*\* > > Yeah, right, that’s what will happen. The _WHOLE_ government will shut down if we don’t have a President sworn in by exactly January 20th. Congress will fail to be able to function. \*\* I know. Won’t it be great? Then thankfully ne’er do wells such as yourself will have to go to work for a change instead of collecting welfare checks! > [@](#): > > \*\* The justices of the courts will run around lifting their robes up to show unsuspecting passers-by that they don’t wear anything underneath. \*\* Huh? > [@](#): > > \*\* Exactly. \*\* Whatever. > [@](#): > > \*\* All hail the Libertarian dream. Tell you what, if the Libertarian dream is that the Federal government shuts down, I’m even more glad that Harry Browne is no where near the office of President. Escpecially since he’s supported by the likes of you.\*\* See, that’s not right. You just hurt my feelings! And I’m sure Harry Browne’s feelings are hurt as well. > [@](#): > > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*\*Yeah, I wasted my vote, all right. \*\* > > Actually, I agree that you didn’t. I believe you only waste your vote if you don’t exercise your right to vote for who you want. But I fail to see the point of your OP here other than make an ass of yourself while you laugh at the Democrats and Republicans for being in a ballot counting controversy when regardless of the outcome, your man will not be President of the US. \*\* The POINT of my OP, which was so profound that even your family dog could decipher it, is that after the Democrats and Republicans laughed. --Hold on. Run on sentance. Out of breath–OK continue-- At ME for 8 months for not voting for one of their stooges (OOPS! All except for YOU, Didley!), that now I GET to laugh at them making asses out of themselves trying to steal the f’n election from each other. Please don’t make me explain this again.\*\* [/QUOTE] > [@](#): > > \*\* And realistically, if a Libertarian President was elected, how much would he get done with a Congress full of Democrats and Republicans?\*\* You’d be surprised what an outsider who has the will of the people behind him can accomplish. > [@](#): > > \*\* And then you top it off by stating that the Libertarian dream is that the country be thrown into chaos as the Federal govt collapses?\*\* That’s the OTHER point. The country will NOT go into chaos! THEREFORE-WE-CAN-SURVIVE-WITH-LIMITED-FEDERAL-GOVERNMENT. You know, like when there was NO fighting in the streets during the various budget shutdowns? > [@](#): > > \*\* How many other Libertarians do you think would agree with that sentiment? \*\* Well, as you inaccurately depicted it, probably zero. > [@](#): > > \*\* You’ve done nothing in this OP but act like a child who thinks it’s funny when he pulls on the dog’s ears to make it yelp. \*\* You mean that isn’t funny? > [@](#): > > \*\* Grow up or fuck off.\*\* You know, if I really had the free time, I would diagram that last statement to prove just how contradictory it was of you to say that. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SPOOFE Bo Diddly \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > Didn’t I punk you out on another thread already? > > You’ve yet to “punk out” anybody on this board. I doubt you have the mental capacity to “punk out” a lima bean. But I’ll humor you. Where do you think you’ve “punked out” me, or anybody else? A link would be nice.\*\* OK. Here goes: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=47856](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=47856) > [@](#): > > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > Did I say “EVERY SINGLE REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRAT IN THE COUNTRY BEGGED ME TO VOTE FOR THEIR CANDIDATE?” > > Excuse me? Did I say you said that? \*\* Actually, I think you implied it as the basis for your original argument. > [@](#): > > \*\* No, you waste of matter. I’ll make things very simple for your infantile understanding… I’m trying to hint at the fact that you’re an idiot.\*\* No need to mince words here, Didley. Tell us how you REALLY feel! > [@](#): > > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > my guess is you don’t have a job and spend all day on Mommy and Daddy’s computer and don’t have $100 to your name. > > Wow. There’s that Ironclad Argument again. “You’re not rich so you’re stupid!” Gee, I’m astounded.\*\* I thought it was a good comeback, but hey, it’s a free country if you disagree. > [@](#): > > \*\* I suppose you’re the very epitome of good work ethics and maturity, yourself?\*\* Aaaah . . let’s take a look at the W-2 . . yup, I am. > [@](#): > > \*\* I suppose a good example of your work would be that brilliant writing that you ubmitted to the Teemings E-zine?\*\* See, now you went too far there. You know what a devastating blow it was NOT to included in that collection of brilliance. Can’t we just all learn to be nice? > [@](#): > > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > Whose going “Neener neerner neener”? > > The pseudo-phrase “neener neener neener” is a reference to schoolchildren mocking others for some imagined boost of status. Me telling you that you have your head up your ass isn’t acting thus, it’s simply telling you that you have your head up your ass.\*\* Okay. Even that went over my head. Which is easy to do since it is up my ass. Allegedly. > [@](#): > > \*\* I apologize for hurting your feelings… apparently, your sensitivity to your own name (that is, the ugly truth) hampers the flow of electrons in your cerebral cortex. \*\* Apology accepted. But you still owe me a beer. ---
**Author:** ![Edlyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8797f3/32.png) [@Edlyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Edlyn)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2000, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-i-wasted-my-vote-eh/42493/29 "2000-11-28T03:57:28Z")
**Crunchy Frog** Everytime I see your name I recall the smell and sound of hundreds of frogs crossing a particular road that met the tires of my car and cars before me. Yuck! Anyway, a excellent explanation of the libertarian philosophy is located [here.](http://www.libertarian.org/libphilo.html) ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2000, 10:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-i-wasted-my-vote-eh/42493/30 "2000-11-28T10:13:25Z")
So, **theuglytruth** , are you gonna answer _my_ question as well, or is time for the **“THANKS FOR TAKING THE BAIT, LOSERS!!! HAHAHAHAHAAA!!”** -post already? ---
**Author:** ![Crunchy\_Frog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ebca7d/32.png) [@Crunchy\_Frog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crunchy_Frog)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2000, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-i-wasted-my-vote-eh/42493/31 "2000-11-28T15:10:49Z")
Ugly truth, to save space I’m not going to quote all your responses to my part about the governmet shutting down, but if you want, send me your address and I’ll mail you some money so you can buy a sarcasm detector, ok? I see your not bright enough to pick up on that with out a :rolleyes: at the end of it. However, in all fairness, you say: > [@](#): > > You’d be surprised what an outsider who has the will of the people behind him can accomplish. I’ll agree you have a point there. ---
**Author:** ![theuglytruth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@theuglytruth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/theuglytruth)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2000, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-i-wasted-my-vote-eh/42493/32 "2000-11-29T03:28:11Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Coldfire \* > \*\*So, **theuglytruth** , are you gonna answer _my_ question as well, or is time for the **“THANKS FOR TAKING THE BAIT, LOSERS!!! HAHAHAHAHAAA!!”** -post already? \*\* Actually it’s "Thanks for taking the bait you FOOLS, that’s FOOLS not “losers” just for the record. Now what was your original question again? > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Coldfire \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by theuglytruth \* > > \*\*Well, I don’t know about making an ass out of myself, but I certainly do know THIS, Moderator: whenever you and Cecil see MY name behind an OP you should both get down on your knees and thank your lucky stars because ONCE AGAIN, you are now assured of more than the usual 25 hits a day you usually get on this site. > > > > Your both welcome.\*\* > > I just wanted you all to know that I’m _still_ laughing about this one. **theuglytruth** , \*\* That’s what I’m here for: to put a little smile in everyone’s otherwise miserable day. > [@](#): > > \*\* > tell me: do you honestly believe this? \*\* Actually, no. I admit, I was wrong. You really get about 28 hits a day. > [@](#): > > \*\* > Do you really think that the Administration of a message board with 11,000 members (of wich 1,500 or so active on a daily basis), with all consequent traffic problems that occur already, care about useless threads like these that supposedly increase traffic?\*\* Obviously not. I’m still waiting for my 10% cut of all ther AdCast money you’re generating from all the traffic I bring to [StraightDope.com](http://StraightDope.com). I also expect 10,000 shares of your IPO for all my efforts to improve your site. But I’ve resigned myself to the fact that I’ll get screwed. > [@](#): > > \*\* > And this is ASSUMING your threads generate more hits than your average thread.\*\* You probably assume right, but if not I’m sure the number of my cult following is growing like a tumor. > [@](#): > > \*\* > So, the hypothetical answer is an obvious **NO**. Now, please prove that your enlightning threads generate more “hits” because your username is on them. > If and when this is the case, I’d most likely attribute it to the “Car Wreck Phenomenon”. You don’t wanna look, but you do anyway.\*\* Actually, I hate car accidents. Too many rubberneckers hold me up in traffic and I can’t get to all the important things I need to do for society. > [@](#): > > \*\* > Maybe there’s blood, you know? \*\* Hope that answered your question! What was it again? > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Crunchy Frog \* > \*\*Ugly truth, to save space I’m not going to quote all your responses to my part about the governmet shutting down, but if you want, send me your address and I’ll mail you some money so you can buy a sarcasm detector, ok? I see your not bright enough to pick up on that with out a :rolleyes: at the end of it. > > However, in all fairness, you say: > > > [@](#): > > > > You’d be surprised what an outsider who has the will of the people behind him can accomplish. > > I’ll agree you have a point there. \*\* Well, I guess one point is better than none. Hey, no offense Crunchy. I’m just all about intellectual, mind stimulating and mentally challenging debate, as you can see. ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2000, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-i-wasted-my-vote-eh/42493/33 "2000-11-29T06:14:37Z")
> [@](#): > > Well, I guess one point is better than none. Like the point atop your noggin? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-i-wasted-my-vote-eh/42493.md?page=1)