# So if a man choses the wrong religion, wouldn't that be God's fault. **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 4, 2009, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-if-a-man-choses-the-wrong-religion-wouldnt-that-be-gods-fault/479862 "2009-01-04T22:51:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2009, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-if-a-man-choses-the-wrong-religion-wouldnt-that-be-gods-fault/479862/41 "2009-01-05T20:19:32Z")
> [@Ruminator](#): > > Actually, it would be _really saying something_ (more impressive) if He made a wild lion talk to us or made the sky clouds form words to evangelize and proselytize. By using humans, skeptics can’t tell the difference between a lunatic and the real thing… Who’s in the driver’s seat here? What does God need to prove? This is not how the Lord of the universe works normally, though there are exceptions (Saul/Paul). He is the Lord, we rightfully should obey Him and serve Him. If you had a earthly king, and ordered him to reveal him self to you personally, you would be lucky to get a generic ‘thank you for you note’ card mailed in response. If you are skeptical in your belief that He is Lord why does He have to prove Himself in His glory to you, again He can do it and occasionally does, but why, what authority do you have to command Him to do anything. For many we come to God when we are at the end of ourselves, when we admit that all our ways, even our best efforts mean nothing, and we are willing to accept on faith that God is Lord. After which God starts to reveal Himself, as you are no longer a slave, but His child. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2009, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-if-a-man-choses-the-wrong-religion-wouldnt-that-be-gods-fault/479862/42 "2009-01-05T20:20:22Z")
> [@Jettboy](#): > > According to a Jewish pal o’ mine, the tattooed bits can’t be buried in a Jewish cemetary, so most of the younger, more non-traditional Jews have their ink done on arms and legs. > > The aformentioned Jewboy has a little star of David on his ankle, and his relatives have said that they’re going to have the ankle/foot removed prior to his trip to the boneyard. Tell your Jewish pal to please stop spouting that incorrect urban legend. You can be covered from head to toe in tattoos and still be buried in any Jewish cemetery (so long as you’re Jewish.) ---
**Author:** ![RaftPeople](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@RaftPeople](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RaftPeople)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2009, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-if-a-man-choses-the-wrong-religion-wouldnt-that-be-gods-fault/479862/43 "2009-01-05T20:36:01Z")
> [@SHAKES](#): > > Now said man dies and old St. Pete tells the dude: “Sorry man, Catholic was the way to go. Now get your ass down to Hell and burn.” St. Pete would still let you in but you would have an asterisk next to your name for all of eternity, just like Barry Bonds. ---
**Author:** ![Ruminator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b9bd4f/32.png) [@Ruminator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruminator)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2009, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-if-a-man-choses-the-wrong-religion-wouldnt-that-be-gods-fault/479862/44 "2009-01-05T20:41:38Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Who’s in the driver’s seat here? What does God need to prove? God is in the driver’s seat. So why are you here? Your posts are unnecessary in the revelation. > [@](#): > > If you are skeptical in your belief that He is Lord … One can believe in Him but be skeptical of you. Two different concepts. You, for all I know, could be the Lord reincarnate, or the devil, or a lunatic. How can I tell the difference? ---
**Author:** ![BrianJ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/54ee81/32.png) [@BrianJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrianJ)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2009, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-if-a-man-choses-the-wrong-religion-wouldnt-that-be-gods-fault/479862/45 "2009-01-05T20:58:19Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > The asertion that God is going to make everything clear at the moment of death has no Biblical basis (and certainly no empirical basis) and sounds like a theological fan wank to me. I also don’t see how it could be distinguishible from a hallucination. > > Assuming its all true, though, what then is the point of Christians trying to evangelize others? Why bother trying to persuade people of something which God will reveal to them eventually anyway? Because the church leaders, err, I mean God, would miss out on all those tithes? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Lanzy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/74df32/32.png) [@Lanzy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lanzy)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2009, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-if-a-man-choses-the-wrong-religion-wouldnt-that-be-gods-fault/479862/46 "2009-01-05T21:06:51Z")
> [@Ruminator](#): > > One can believe in Him but be skeptical of you. Two different concepts. You, for all I know, could be the Lord reincarnate, or the devil, or a lunatic. How can I tell the difference? Door number .., oh oh, not the pit nevermind. ---
**Author:** ![DrCube](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a3d4f5/32.png) [@DrCube](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrCube)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2009, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-if-a-man-choses-the-wrong-religion-wouldnt-that-be-gods-fault/479862/47 "2009-01-05T22:40:40Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > If you are skeptical in your belief that He is Lord why does He have to prove Himself in His glory to you, again He can do it and occasionally does, but why, what authority do you have to command Him to do anything. You’ve got it backwards. God is the one commanding _me_ to believe in _him_. That he doesn’t put even the smallest amount of effort into convincing me (although it is obviously very important to him) is a failure on his part, not mine. I’m quite content to disbelieve until Mr. Omnipotent stops being bashful and comes out of hiding. ---
**Author:** ![DanBlather](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@DanBlather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DanBlather)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2009, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-if-a-man-choses-the-wrong-religion-wouldnt-that-be-gods-fault/479862/48 "2009-01-06T03:30:55Z")
> [@Q.E.D](#): > > There is no wrong religion. How about the religions that think there _is_ a wrong religion? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-if-a-man-choses-the-wrong-religion-wouldnt-that-be-gods-fault/479862.md?page=2)