# So if Mossad used UK passports whats the correct response? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [February 18, 2010, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-if-mossad-used-uk-passports-whats-the-correct-response/529459 "2010-02-18T12:33:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![casdave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c6cbf5/32.png) [@casdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/casdave)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2010, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-if-mossad-used-uk-passports-whats-the-correct-response/529459/161 "2010-02-19T13:36:18Z")
Throughout this thread, the points raised above have been put, however the deniers steadfastly refuse to properly address them. Still, perhaps a response to that post which puts things in about as plain manner as is possible deserves a proper reply. ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2010, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-if-mossad-used-uk-passports-whats-the-correct-response/529459/162 "2010-02-19T14:34:14Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > You either completely misread what was a response to another post, or have simply failed to take into account that it was a reply to something, and not a stand alone comment. I have no idea what your point was then. I said: > [@](#): > > Unless the agents are actually caught in the act, there isn’t a lot the other countries can do about it, other than what they are doing. Israel routinely refuses to confirm or deny that it was them whenever someone accuses them of such acts, and even if ‘everyone knows’, that isn’t proof … You replied: > [@](#): > > Since when does any nation need proof to do anything? See last year’s hilarious ACORN video expose, the invasion of Iraq or the Vietnam War if you need to research the subject of taking action without any proof. My point: if actual proof is irrelevant or unnecessary, then from a realism angle they have nothing to lose from committing the “offense”. They will be blamed (or take credit) for any and all misterious deaths anyway. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2010, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-if-mossad-used-uk-passports-whats-the-correct-response/529459/163 "2010-02-19T14:36:16Z")
> [@Malthus](#): > > Unless the agents are actually caught in the act, there isn’t a lot the other countries can do about it, other than what they are doing. Israel routinely refuses to confirm or deny that it was them whenever someone accuses them of such acts, and even if ‘everyone knows’, that isn’t proof; and even if it was proved, what then? > > Seems to me that what will likely happen is some diplomatic harumphing. Israel has a pretty thick skin for diplomatic harumphing, given the cry-wolf behaviour of most of the rest of the world towards Israeli misdeads whether real or imagined. Also, given the target, that harumphing is likely to be half hearted at most. “I didn’t get a Harrumph out of _that_ guy”-GOV ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2010, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-if-mossad-used-uk-passports-whats-the-correct-response/529459/164 "2010-02-19T14:40:05Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Now, this may come as a surprise to you, but your subjective (and not particularly cogent) opinion is not gospel truth, and repeating it at me does not count as “pointing out” some sort of fact. > [@FinnAgain](#): > > We’ve already established that it’s not actually bad for the Brits. Your hypocrisy is staggering. No one has established that. You have said it repeatedly. Now this may come as a surprise to you, but your subjective (and not particulary cogent) opinion is not gospel truth. Other people have repeatedly disagreed with you. But you carry on saying it has been “established” in some way. ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2010, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-if-mossad-used-uk-passports-whats-the-correct-response/529459/165 "2010-02-19T14:53:46Z")
> [@bengangmo](#): > > Whether he deserved to die or not doesn’t matter. I would argue it very much matters. > [@](#): > > The whole point is, that for every person that Israel believes should be dead, I am sure you would find an Israeli that many countries believe deserves to die. Is it then ok for them to kill him? The issue of whether a particular person is, or is not, a terrorist isn’t purely a matter of opinion. > [@](#): > > How many around the world do you think believe that Bush deserves to die? If any nation dared to sponsor an operation to kill him in Germany using English passports, how do you think each of the three nations would react? How would nato react? Killing a former foreign head of state is an act of aggression against a country, which creates very different ramifications. > [@](#): > > Yes I suspect that the guy probably did deserve to die, but that still doesn’t make it right. What has consistently been the biggest complaint about gitmo? From what I have seen its that the internees have been detained without trial. Yet similar folks are summarily killed without trial in battle, or by use of remote drones targeting them. The difference is surely clear: in the one case, you have power over them as they are captives: in the other, they are fighting against you and you don’t have power over them. If nations did not shelter terrorists and instead arrested them and took them captive - if Dubai, for example, had arrested this fellow and tossed him in jail for his crimes - he could have all the due process anyone would want. > [@](#): > > Once you start this process of killing people that you think deserve to die, where does it end? It diminishes you, and your argument to legitimacy. If you use it, why can’t the other side use it? They believe no less fervrently in their cause than you do in the “rightness” of yours. Slippery slope and moral equivalency. If you fight back, why, you are just as bad as the terrorists! The problem here is that you have non-state actors who already fail to adhere to any moral standards and who are often supported or sheltered by states. How to deal with them? Wring hands, go to war with the states sheltering them? That was the US solution in Afganistan. Which is better, to you - all-out war, in which thousands die and whole countries are trashed, or an assassination? > [@](#): > > I would also like to see you cite anywhere in international laws, the Geneva Convention or anywhere similar that says its ok for people of country A to forge passports of a country B, and kill an enemy on country C’s soil when countries A, B and C are not at war. International law is a series of conventions between states. It has no independent existance. There is no sovereign enforcing it. Its relevance to the murky world of spies and assassins is minimal. There is nothing in “international law” which makes _any_ use of such figures “lawful” yet every state uses them. The reason is simple - the alternative, where a country chooses to shelter terrorists who kill your civilians, is warfare, which is fully "lawful’ under “international law”. War, in which perhaps thousands of innocent civilians die, whole countries are trashed, etc. That, or of course doing nothing - i.e., allowing terrorists to murder your citizens without recourse. The middle ground between doing nothing and war is the use of spies and assassins. “International law”, which only recognizes war and peace, does not provide for this, yet it occurrs - because the alternatives are worse. > [@](#): > > An no, because you can get away with it, or might makes right don’t quite cut it. > > If you come back with “its real politik” then please tell me why Hamas or anyone else should adhere to any sort of moral standard when “might makes right” and its ok to do whatever you believe will get the job done. Hamas and their ilk already fail to adhere to any moral standards. Threatening us with a degeneration in their moral standards is hollow. ---
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2010, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-if-mossad-used-uk-passports-whats-the-correct-response/529459/166 "2010-02-19T14:57:43Z")
> [@bengangmo](#): > > The whole point is, that for every person that Israel believes should be dead, I am sure you would find an Israeli that many countries believe deserves to die. Is it then ok for them to kill him? What other country? An autocratic government that suppresses the basic human rights of its own citizens vs. a democratic government? Not all things and governments are equal. Not all opinions are valid. > [@](#): > > How many around the world do you think believe that Bush deserves to die? Compared to whom? Saddam? If there was no Saddam there probably wouldn’t have been an invasion. Will you compare a leader in a democratically elected liberal democracy with a totalitarian dictator and say they are equal? That Bush was a fuckup and couldn’t do the job properly with minimal loss is another issue. Maybe a hit squad would have been a better idea. How many less innocent Iraqis would have been killed if Saddam had been killed that way? > [@](#): > > Yes I suspect that the guy probably did deserve to die, but that still doesn’t make it right. What other options are there? The UAE wasn’t going to deport the guy to Israel to stand trial. None of the other countries this guy probably traveled in would have likely done it, either. Should Israel sit still and let this guy continually plan to kill its citizens because the guy is smart enough not to be in a place he could be arrested? > [@](#): > > Once you start this process of killing people that you think deserve to die, where does it end? It diminishes you, and your argument to legitimacy. If you use it, why can’t the other side use it? They believe no less fervrently in their cause than you do in the “rightness” of yours. What matters is who wins, not the ‘rightness’ of a particular cause. It would be better if those who won were people who valued an open society where people could live unafraid of their government, but that doesn’t mean it will happen. If that society has to kill everyone who wished to destroy it then that is better than if the other side wins. > [@](#): > > If you come back with “its real politik” then please tell me why Hamas or anyone else should adhere to any sort of moral standard when “might makes right” and its ok to do whatever you believe will get the job done. What makes you think they DO adhere to any moral standard other than their own? To fire rockets indiscriminately into Israel to kill randomly. To use their neighbors as human shields. This is a moral standard? Better they are dead, along with those that support them is it not? You acting moral doesn’t make the guy wanting to kill you hesitate to do so. You having the power to fuck up his world if he attempts it does (at least to a certain extent). ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2010, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-if-mossad-used-uk-passports-whats-the-correct-response/529459/167 "2010-02-19T15:40:51Z")
Does anyone really believe this has come to the public’s attention against the Israeli’s wishes? It seems more like an intended slip just to show their enemies what capabilities they have, and how easily they can manipulate their Western allies. Think about it - this is as much a statement of Israel’s intent as any bomb in a market square. ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2010, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-if-mossad-used-uk-passports-whats-the-correct-response/529459/168 "2010-02-19T15:44:16Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > Does anyone really believe this has come to the public’s attention against the Israeli’s wishes? It seems more like an intended slip just show their enemies what capabilities they have, and how easily they can manipulate their Western allies. Sounds like a plan that is both too smart and too stupid. 😉 The Israelis are fully capable of simply screwing things up - though this assassination isn’t nearly as screwed up as it could have been. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2010, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-if-mossad-used-uk-passports-whats-the-correct-response/529459/169 "2010-02-19T15:54:48Z")
> [@Uzi](#): > > What other country? An autocratic government that suppresses the basic human rights of its own citizens vs. a democratic government? I’m confused. Which one of those is Israel? ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2010, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-if-mossad-used-uk-passports-whats-the-correct-response/529459/170 "2010-02-19T15:55:06Z")
> [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](#): > > That is almost the point. There will be no negative consequences that are obvious. Israeli tourists will be examined more closely sometimes at customs. Israelis will less welcome in New Zealand. Jews applying for passports and visa will examined a bit more closely. In what decent, democratic country would the passport application office know an applicant was Jewish? ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ccd318/32.png) [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_in_Qatar)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2010, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-if-mossad-used-uk-passports-whats-the-correct-response/529459/171 "2010-02-19T16:02:40Z")
Good point and well-scored. ---
**Author:** ![newcomer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e5b9ba/32.png) [@newcomer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newcomer)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2010, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-if-mossad-used-uk-passports-whats-the-correct-response/529459/172 "2010-02-19T16:19:48Z")
> [@Uzi](#): > > What matters is who wins, not the ‘rightness’ of a particular cause. You are only saying this because your side is winning. However, if there were no sense of ‘rightness’ there would not be Israel to begin with. > [@](#): > > You acting moral doesn’t make the guy wanting to kill you hesitate to do so. Actually, it does. It’s just that definition of what constitutes ‘acting moral’ kinda differs and this topic alone shows how skewed that definition is. But hey, enjoy while you can. Everyone would. And it appears it’ll be a long while. ---
**Author:** ![bengangmo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@bengangmo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bengangmo)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2010, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-if-mossad-used-uk-passports-whats-the-correct-response/529459/173 "2010-02-19T16:37:00Z")
> [@Uzi](#): > > What other options are there? The UAE wasn’t going to deport the guy to Israel to stand trial. None of the other countries this guy probably traveled in would have likely done it, either. Should Israel sit still and let this guy continually plan to kill its citizens because the guy is smart enough not to be in a place he could be arrested? So instead of following the due process of the UAE, Israel thinks they can forge British passports and subvert the laws of a soverign state (what is the correct way to describe the UAE?) that is not at war with Israel? Forgive my ignorance, but isn’t that sort of state sponsored law breaking and assasination pretty much an act of war? What if, the US was hosting the Dalai Lama and let’s say Syriah decided to assasinate him while there - what would the US response be? You mention “what else are we to do to capture him”. Well I put it to you, given the resources that the Palestinians have, what else are they to do but randomly lob rockets? Yes they are terrorists, but this assination violated the laws of Dubai and England, as well as went against their national interests (as they deem those interests to be), how is that not terrorism? But I guess its ok, because the guy deserved to die, so you are allowed to do whatever is required to get the job done? ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2010, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-if-mossad-used-uk-passports-whats-the-correct-response/529459/174 "2010-02-19T16:43:51Z")
> [@bengangmo](#): > > So instead of following the due process of the UAE, Israel thinks they can forge British passports and subvert the laws of a soverign state (what is the correct way to describe the UAE?) that is not at war with Israel? > > Forgive my ignorance, but isn’t that sort of state sponsored law breaking and assasination pretty much an act of war? > > What if, the US was hosting the Dalai Lama and let’s say Syriah decided to assasinate him while there - what would the US response be? > > You mention “what else are we to do to capture him”. > > Well I put it to you, given the resources that the Palestinians have, what else are they to do but randomly lob rockets? Yes they are terrorists, but this assination violated the laws of Dubai and England, as well as went against their national interests (as they deem those interests to be), how is that not terrorism? > > But I guess its ok, because the guy deserved to die, so you are allowed to do whatever is required to get the job done? Sure, assassination of someone “hosted” by a state may well be an act of war against a state. But then, so is “hosting” someone who is guilty of committing terrorist acts against a state. The UK is in Afganistan right now on just such justification. By these measures, both Dubai and Israel now have just cause for war against each other, assuming they wished to engage in such. But that brings me to my earlier point - in your opinion, is **war** the preferrable solution? ---
**Author:** ![bengangmo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@bengangmo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bengangmo)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2010, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-if-mossad-used-uk-passports-whats-the-correct-response/529459/175 "2010-02-19T16:46:42Z")
> [@Malthus](#): > > Sure, assassination of someone “hosted” by a state may well be an act of war against a state. > > But then, so is “hosting” someone who is guilty of committing terrorist acts against a state. The UK is in Afganistan right now on just such justification. > > By these measures, both Dubai and Israel now have just cause for war against each other, assuming they wished to engage in such. > > But that brings me to my earlier point - in your opinion, is **war** the preferrable solution? No its not, but there is one difference between the two causes. The guy was in Dubai, Israel doesn’t get to dictate laws to Dubai. Is there any sort of evidence, suggestion or anything that Dubai is sponsoring terrorism against Israel? And by your measure, China now has a cause of war against the US. ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2010, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-if-mossad-used-uk-passports-whats-the-correct-response/529459/176 "2010-02-19T16:53:22Z")
> [@bengangmo](#): > > No its not, but there is one difference between the two causes. The guy was in Dubai, Israel doesn’t get to dictate laws to Dubai. Is there any sort of evidence, suggestion or anything that Dubai is sponsoring terrorism against Israel? > > And by your measure, China now has a cause of war against the US. I dunno. You are the one making the comparison between the US officially “hosting” the Dalai Lama and this situation. I have no idea whatsoever whether this Hamas fellow was being "hosted’ by Dubai or not. To the extent he is, it’s a clear cause for war, exactly analogous to Afganistan. Last I checked, the Dalai Lama wasn’t ordering Tibetian monks to blow up Chinese schoolkids. ---
**Author:** ![bengangmo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@bengangmo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bengangmo)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2010, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-if-mossad-used-uk-passports-whats-the-correct-response/529459/177 "2010-02-19T16:59:55Z")
> [@Malthus](#): > > I dunno. You are the one making the comparison between the US officially “hosting” the Dalai Lama and this situation. > > I have no idea whatsoever whether this Hamas fellow was being "hosted’ by Dubai or not. To the extent he is, it’s a clear cause for war, exactly analogous to Afganistan. > > Last I checked, the Dalai Lama wasn’t ordering Tibetian monks to blow up Chinese schoolkids. The issue is, Israel doesn’t like the guy. China doesn’t like the Dalai Lama. If there is a case, then bring the case, as China has done to the US. Don’t subvert the laws of another country. (or another TWO countries) Israel is not the world arbiter of justice, or of what is right and wrong. They should behave like “good citizens”, just as every other nation is expected to. At the end of the day, every nation on earth survives and prospers based on the (collective) good will of the rest of world. Piss enough people off and then where will Israel be? Just because they have the big brother in their corner, doesn’t mean they should get to act against the rest of the world with impunity. They should still show some modicum of respect for other nations. ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2010, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-if-mossad-used-uk-passports-whats-the-correct-response/529459/178 "2010-02-19T17:10:12Z")
> [@bengangmo](#): > > The issue is, Israel doesn’t like the guy. > > China doesn’t like the Dalai Lama. That’s not the issue. If it was, I’d be agreeing. The Dalai Lama is not comparable in his acts with a Hamas commander. The one is a peaceful spiritual leader and the other a commander of terrorists. The two are not equivalent, and a theory that requires them to be for purposes of analogy is clearly flawed. > [@](#): > > If there is a case, then bring the case, as China has done to the US. Problem here is that, apparently, there is nothing wrong in large parts of the world with _being_ a terrorist against certain targets. What would happen if Israel asked Dubai to arrest a Hamas leader? a big fat rasberry. Why did the UK not simply “bring the case” against Bin Laden & his crew in Afganistan? > [@](#): > > Don’t subvert the laws of another country. (or another TWO countries) Israel is not the world arbiter of justice, or of what is right and wrong. They should behave like “good citizens”, just as every other nation is expected to. > > At the end of the day, every nation on earth survives and prospers based on the (collective) good will of the rest of world. Piss enough people off and then where will Israel be? > > Just because they have the big brother in their corner, doesn’t mean they should get to act against the rest of the world with impunity. They should still show some modicum of respect for other nations. Heh, same goes _triple_ for the UK in Afganistan. They did not simply “subvert the laws” of Afganistan, they invaded the place, turfed out its government and pounded it into a shithole - all for the “crime” of supporting Bin Laden & Co. Why can’t the UK be a good world citizen and leave poor Afganistan in peace? Just because they have the big bad US in their corner … etc. ---
**Author:** ![bengangmo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@bengangmo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bengangmo)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2010, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-if-mossad-used-uk-passports-whats-the-correct-response/529459/179 "2010-02-19T17:19:26Z")
> [@Malthus](#): > > That’s not the issue. If it was, I’d be agreeing. > > Problem here is that, apparently, there is nothing wrong in large parts of the world with _being_ a terrorist against certain targets. What would happen if Israel asked Dubai to arrest a Hamas leader? a big fat rasberry. > > Why did the UK not simply “bring the case” against Bin Laden & his crew in Afganistan? > > Heh, same goes _triple_ for the UK in Afganistan. They did not simply “subvert the laws” of Afganistan, they invaded the place, turfed out its government and pounded it into a shithole - all for the “crime” of supporting Bin Laden & Co. > > Why can’t the UK be a good world citizen and leave poor Afganistan in peace? Just because they have the big bad US in their corner … etc. Well for one, whether or not Dubai wants to take action is their decision and no-one else’s. Now if Israel wants to come to the UN and say that Dubai has a responsibility to take action, and the rest of the world agrees, then Dubai either abides, or suffers the consequences. And as to Afghanistan, wasn’t that pretty much approved by the UN? Or at least - it wasn’t the UK acting alone, as Israel has done here. Going by your (seeming) argument, if I decide tomorrow that I don’t like Judaism, I have every right to kill Jews, so long as I have the might to carry it out. Yes, there is little disagreement that this man was a terrorist. What wasn’t present was some form of hunting license on him, or a price on his head or anything similiar. And until such time, Israel should respect the laws of other nations - especially when they promised that they would do so (second such case perpetrated against the UK right?) ---
**Author:** ![casdave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c6cbf5/32.png) [@casdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/casdave)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2010, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-if-mossad-used-uk-passports-whats-the-correct-response/529459/180 "2010-02-19T17:19:56Z")
I can see how extra-judicial killing is attractive to Israel. Imagine if it were possible to build a case against this person and have them extradited back to stand trial. Such a trial might involve dealing with some awkward questions, and would possibly become a platform for the accused. There would be significant legal costs, there would also be a potential martyr/figurehead, and it might possibly provoke a Hamas abduction of Israeli citizens or soldiers in an attempt to trade. Once sentenced, such a person would always be a security risk, and would always be a potential asset to be traded. This would be quite inconvenient, for Israel, its far easier just to murder him on foreign soils, implicate or at least compromise the passports of others, and in the process break a whole host of nation laws and the the bonus is that they end up with a dead suspect. I just wonder how much interest Israel really does have in bringing this sort of person to face justice, very little I would imagine. Having a proper legal process means you have to obey your own laws and respect those of other nations, it means you cannot simply do what you want when you want, and you don’t always get the results you want, but Israel wishes to be considered a civilised nation, yet chooses not to behave as one. Somehow Israel wants us to see it as being differant to Hamas and other terrorist organisations, but does not want due process to get in the way, but its due process that is one of the distinguishing features of a civilised nation. Yet many other nations face such issues, there are plenty of terrorists locked up in prisons around the world, and there are plenty of terrorists that various nations would dearly like to apprehend - yet they do not seem to have this method as a national policy. Is Israel so special? Gods chosen people can justifiy anything it seems. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-if-mossad-used-uk-passports-whats-the-correct-response/529459.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-if-mossad-used-uk-passports-whats-the-correct-response/529459.md?page=10)