# So I'll take it to the Pit... (re: Miss Kaitlyn's first day) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 6, 2005, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ill-take-it-to-the-pit-re-miss-kaitlyns-first-day/283418 "2005-01-06T17:55:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2005, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ill-take-it-to-the-pit-re-miss-kaitlyns-first-day/283418/21 "2005-01-06T19:14:08Z")
Whoops, I didn’t see your last post, **Lobsang**. In any case, my comments weren’t meant to criticize your post so much as use it for a jumping-off point for me to discuss why **Clothahump** is such a dick. ---
**Author:** ![LilyoftheValley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/54ee81/32.png) [@LilyoftheValley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LilyoftheValley)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2005, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ill-take-it-to-the-pit-re-miss-kaitlyns-first-day/283418/22 "2005-01-06T19:16:07Z")
Eh, I think **clothahump** picked the perfect thread to say that in for one reason, anyway. We can contrast his reaction with the reaction of the 3rd graders in the thread, and see that the 3rd graders were more mature. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2005, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ill-take-it-to-the-pit-re-miss-kaitlyns-first-day/283418/23 "2005-01-06T19:22:17Z")
Not the right thread for Clothahump to express that opinion. I do not know that the issue is so settled as to be able to declare Clothahump completely wrong, but I think simple logic obligates us to admit tha there has to be some explanation for people that are absolutely convinced they are female when their bodies are male, and vice versa. Perhaps it’s simply obstinate denial, or foolishness… but the tenacity with which they stick to their self-image, in the face of social rdicule and worse, makes me believe that it’s more than simple denial or obstinancy. In any event, we’ve had threads on this subject before, and likely will again. Regardless of the position you take on the issue, rudeness is never a good approach, **Clothahump**. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2005, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ill-take-it-to-the-pit-re-miss-kaitlyns-first-day/283418/24 "2005-01-06T19:22:28Z")
Eh, that wasn’t the worst comment I’ve ever seen on these boards. Yes, it was insensitive and not fitting with the spirit of the other thread, and **Clothahump** probably should have self-censored there, but mostly it just sounds pointless. And this thread feels like an overreaction. ---
**Author:** ![Satyagrahi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f475e1/32.png) [@Satyagrahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Satyagrahi)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2005, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ill-take-it-to-the-pit-re-miss-kaitlyns-first-day/283418/25 "2005-01-06T19:25:46Z")
Although I’m with the great majority of the posters on this issue, I don’t see the issue as totally black and white. I’d like to read what a few of the more conservative posters have to say…in a less inflammatory forum. Therefore, I’ve opened a [GD thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=5688365#post5688365) with the hope (forlorn?) of actually fighting ignorance rather than just bashing each other. ---
**Author:** ![KellyM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/57b2e6/32.png) [@KellyM](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KellyM)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2005, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ill-take-it-to-the-pit-re-miss-kaitlyns-first-day/283418/26 "2005-01-06T19:39:12Z")
> [@LilyoftheValley](#): > > Eh, I think **clothahump** picked the perfect thread to say that in for one reason, anyway. We can contrast his reaction with the reaction of the 3rd graders in the thread, and see that the 3rd graders were more mature. It was extremely hard for me to resist the urge to post such a comparison in the original thread. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2005, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ill-take-it-to-the-pit-re-miss-kaitlyns-first-day/283418/27 "2005-01-06T19:48:36Z")
> [@Lobsang](#): > > It was an insensetive comment, but it wasn’t _that_ bad surely! > > Isn’t it a bit like an Atheist saying “I’m sorry, but there is no God” Just for the record, in **WeRSauron** ’s thread regarding which Orthodox church is closest to the original, he decided to inform us all that they are all scam artists practicing their trade. I get the feeling that he hasn’t comprehended the purpose behind this board yet. Or maybe he’s part of the rear guard for the opposition. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![malkavia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malkavia/32/5621_2.png) [@malkavia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/malkavia)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2005, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ill-take-it-to-the-pit-re-miss-kaitlyns-first-day/283418/28 "2005-01-06T19:49:08Z")
Well, I took a look at Clothahumps recent posts because I’ve always liked his name and I hadn’t really noticed him ruffling alot of feathers before this little stunt. Apparently, I wasn’t paying attention. I’m surprised at how surprised everyone is by **Clothahump’s** behavior. After reading some of his other posts, only true surprise for me is how someone so seemingly mean-spirited could pick a username that cool. The mind boggles. From [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=295297) thread: > [@clothahump](#): > > It assumes the existance of an omnipotent deity. That assumption renders the entire question meaningless. And from [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=295128) thread: > [@clothahump](#): > > There is no way back for the Democrat Party. > > The last election really outed them for the pack of lying, irresponsible weasels that they are. And of course [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=293646) gem: > [@clothahump](#): > > Differently-abled? Man, you are just a bastion of Political Correctness. > > There is no such thing as differently-abled. There’s normal and there’s handicapped. Deal with it. You sir, are a Grade A Cheerio Pisser. Be nicer, wouldja? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2005, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ill-take-it-to-the-pit-re-miss-kaitlyns-first-day/283418/29 "2005-01-06T19:51:15Z")
Damn, that was fucked up, **Clothahump**. However, having run into you in the past, I’m completely unsurprised. :rolleyes: Oh, and Kaitlyn, you rock! ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2005, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ill-take-it-to-the-pit-re-miss-kaitlyns-first-day/283418/30 "2005-01-06T19:53:07Z")
> [@LilyoftheValley](#): > > Eh, I think **clothahump** picked the perfect thread to say that in for one reason, anyway. We can contrast his reaction with the reaction of the 3rd graders in the thread, and see that the 3rd graders were more mature. Man, **Lily** , when you want to, you can out-Eve **Eve** herself in the prefect cutting remark. And in a thread on transgender issues, too! Great job!! ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2005, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ill-take-it-to-the-pit-re-miss-kaitlyns-first-day/283418/31 "2005-01-06T20:17:35Z")
I was almost gonna start this thread myself, but then I thought, “Nah, **clothahump** thrives on attention; why give him more of it?” I do appreciate **kythereia** starting the thread, though, so I can say: **Clothahump, go fuck yourself.** ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2005, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ill-take-it-to-the-pit-re-miss-kaitlyns-first-day/283418/32 "2005-01-06T21:01:35Z")
I echo **Polycarp** ’s observation: **Lily** , that was priceless! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2005, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ill-take-it-to-the-pit-re-miss-kaitlyns-first-day/283418/33 "2005-01-06T21:17:21Z")
**Kaitlyn** , I haven’t noticed your posts, or your previous incarnation on this board, so I didn’t realize you are transgender. For that matter, until her recent thread, I hadn’t known _ **Eve** _ was either! But then I finally clicked on your “First day” thread. Priceless! My favorite part was about your ethnic origin. 😛 **Clothahump** , you are a sad person. You’re being one of those that can only feed big by trying to make others small. You need to open your mind and heart. Try it, it won’t hurt. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2005, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ill-take-it-to-the-pit-re-miss-kaitlyns-first-day/283418/34 "2005-01-06T21:24:33Z")
Note to self: Don’t piss these folks off. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Bippy\_the\_Beardless](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ac8455/32.png) [@Bippy\_the\_Beardless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bippy_the_Beardless)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2005, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ill-take-it-to-the-pit-re-miss-kaitlyns-first-day/283418/35 "2005-01-06T21:25:47Z")
Clothahump is so moronic as to be considered mentally handicapped by me, and as such it is below me to blame him/her on acting in such a moronic way. But **Lily** you do rock, and I am now more under your spell than ever before. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2005, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ill-take-it-to-the-pit-re-miss-kaitlyns-first-day/283418/36 "2005-01-06T21:47:12Z")
**malkavia** , you missed some real gems, [like this one:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=281652) > [@](#): > > Leaving all references to religion out (as it should be), why is this provision such a bad thing? Why should anyone receive special treatment or favoritism or preferential treatment simply because they choose to engage in deviant sexual practices? [Or this one:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=289661) > [@](#): > > But they haven’t done anything except acknowledge that people should not be rewarded for choosing to practice deviant sexual habits. This whole gay marriage bullshit thing is just another attempt by the deviants to force themselves to be accepted as normal. Next thing you know, the sheepfuckers will be lobbying for animal marriage and the pedophiles will be trying to get the age of consent lowered to 5. [Or this one:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=256631&page=1&pp=50&highlight=deviant) > [@](#): > > It specifically does not specify special treatment for anyone. Marriage is defined as 1 man, 1 woman; any man is free to marry any woman (if she accepts the proposal) and vice-versa. > > What it specifically does NOT do is reward deviant behaviour and that is what all the whining is about. Mind you, that’s just the straight supremacist spewings where he specifically used the word “deviant.” God only know how many other times he’s posted the same shit with a different synonym. Oh, and remember, if you don’t hate fags as much as he does, [somehow, that makes _you_ a bigot](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=5574389&postcount=90) ---
**Author:** ![Lobsang](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobsang/32/4067_2.png) [@Lobsang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobsang)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2005, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ill-take-it-to-the-pit-re-miss-kaitlyns-first-day/283418/37 "2005-01-06T21:58:54Z")
Wow, I take this… > [@Lobsang](#): > > It was an insensetive comment, but it wasn’t _that_ bad surely! …back. this **Clothahump** sounds like an ass-wipe. ---
**Author:** ![Lobsang](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobsang/32/4067_2.png) [@Lobsang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobsang)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2005, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ill-take-it-to-the-pit-re-miss-kaitlyns-first-day/283418/38 "2005-01-06T22:00:06Z")
Wow, I take this… > [@Lobsang](#): > > It was an insensetive comment, but it wasn’t _that_ bad surely! …back. This **Clothahump** sounds like an ass-wipe. ---
**Author:** ![Zabali\_Clawbane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/ecd19e/32.png) [@Zabali\_Clawbane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zabali_Clawbane)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2005, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ill-take-it-to-the-pit-re-miss-kaitlyns-first-day/283418/39 "2005-01-06T22:20:41Z")
To me, it was more like telling someone who’s just said their children are still alive in their heart that “No, sorry they are dead as doornails, nothing can bring them back, and you’d just better learn to cope with it.” JMHO though. They definitely need to learn when to apply the social nicety of tactful silence, if they can’t apply it to speech. ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2005, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ill-take-it-to-the-pit-re-miss-kaitlyns-first-day/283418/40 "2005-01-06T22:44:14Z")
> [@LifeOnWry](#): > > \*\* Do you walk up to people and say, “Before I can accept your self-identity, I need a sample of your DNA so that I can determine your gender according to MY standards”? I just do that for hair color. 😛 Genetics aren’t the be all and end all of gender. I don’t see that Jamie Lee Curtis’s having a Y chromosome makes her any less a woman. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ill-take-it-to-the-pit-re-miss-kaitlyns-first-day/283418.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ill-take-it-to-the-pit-re-miss-kaitlyns-first-day/283418.md?page=3)