# So I'll take it to the Pit... (re: Miss Kaitlyn's first day) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 6, 2005, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ill-take-it-to-the-pit-re-miss-kaitlyns-first-day/283418 "2005-01-06T17:55:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Elza\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Elza\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elza_B)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2005, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ill-take-it-to-the-pit-re-miss-kaitlyns-first-day/283418/81 "2005-01-08T00:26:05Z")
> [@Kaitlyn](#): > > This is hardly parallel unless you truly believe you are The Lord. You know, I thought it was **clothahump** I was on the A train the last time I was in NYC. I’ll give him credit for one thing, he sings a kick-ass version of _Amazing Grace_ in between damning everyone around him to hell. E. ---
**Author:** ![Kaitlyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/73ab20/32.png) [@Kaitlyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kaitlyn)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2005, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ill-take-it-to-the-pit-re-miss-kaitlyns-first-day/283418/82 "2005-01-08T00:27:47Z")
> [@Eve](#): > > Unfortunately,—as I myself learned again last week—there will always be people who think we are nothing but delusional drag queens. Fine, that’s their opinion, despite medical studies to the contrary. And every so often, one of them will feel it his duty to flaunt his assholiness in our face. > > **Kaitlyn** , hon, it really doesn’t happen that often, but it is one of the things you’ll have to get used to. Not the first time it’s happened. In our position, one cannot afford to be thin-skinned. Metapohorically speaking, that is. ---
**Author:** ![Kaitlyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/73ab20/32.png) [@Kaitlyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kaitlyn)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2005, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ill-take-it-to-the-pit-re-miss-kaitlyns-first-day/283418/83 "2005-01-08T00:35:47Z")
> [@trandallt](#): > > **Miss Kaitlyn** - > You just shot to the top of the list of Coolest Folks I Ever Heard Of. I do believe that may be the first time anybody with a double digit age has ever referred to me as “cool”. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2005, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ill-take-it-to-the-pit-re-miss-kaitlyns-first-day/283418/84 "2005-01-08T00:38:55Z")
> [@Polycarp](#): > > Or, if **Kaitlin** won’t mind a bit of levity, _lack of_ penis ensued! I think **Clothahump** and his poopy, poopy head makes up all by himself for any amount of lack of penis you care to describe. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2005, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ill-take-it-to-the-pit-re-miss-kaitlyns-first-day/283418/85 "2005-01-08T00:43:44Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > And where was that, pray tell? I don’t recognize your handle; if I’ve run into you in the past, I don’t remember it. Pretty much every time you’ve opened your mouth around here. ---
**Author:** ![Kaitlyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/73ab20/32.png) [@Kaitlyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kaitlyn)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2005, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ill-take-it-to-the-pit-re-miss-kaitlyns-first-day/283418/86 "2005-01-08T00:50:23Z")
> [@Baker](#): > > **Kaitlyn** , I haven’t noticed your posts, or your previous incarnation on this board, so I didn’t realize you are transgender. That’s because up until last week I was passing myself off as a man, and usually only posted to movie and comic book threads in the cafe society. I started posting here before I began treatment and just kinda kept going, trying not to stand out. Here was a place where I could be “normal”, but by lying to the people here, I was lying to myself a little bit, which wasn’t a healthy way to think. When it came to personal issues, even the minor stuff you see in MPSIMS or IMHO, I was afraid I would give myself away, so I generally stayed away. Yeah, stupid, I know, but that’s how you think when you’re trying to hide what you are from everyone. ---
**Author:** ![Kaitlyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/73ab20/32.png) [@Kaitlyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kaitlyn)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2005, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ill-take-it-to-the-pit-re-miss-kaitlyns-first-day/283418/87 "2005-01-08T02:07:52Z")
> [@iampunha](#): > > The important questions thus become: > > **Kaitlyn** , what did you wear today? I’m glad you asked.\* A short-sleeved solid black knee length dress with lace edged v-neck collar, diamond pattern black hose, a yellow sash loosely double wrapped and tied at the waist on the left hip, black mary janes with a one-inch heel, a gold chain with a yin-yang pendant, hoop earrings, and a gold-plated watch with a bracelet on the opposite wrist for balance. I let my hair hang loosely, but kept it swept back onto my back. \*Mrs. Six says my descriptions of my clothes are a lot like those softcore tg porn fantasies I used to read. She’s also told me that I enjoy talking about clothes so much that I could bore an obscene phone caller who asked me what I was wearing into hanging up, because I’d go on about my hair, makeup, and accessories when I was done with the clothes. But, hey, if you’re going to open the door by asking, who I am I not to provide an answer. ---
**Author:** ![Kaitlyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/73ab20/32.png) [@Kaitlyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kaitlyn)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2005, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ill-take-it-to-the-pit-re-miss-kaitlyns-first-day/283418/88 "2005-01-08T02:17:31Z")
> [@Polycarp](#): > > Or, if **Kaitlin** won’t mind a bit of levity, _lack of_ penis ensued! 😉 Someone hasn’t been reading carefully. You’re at least six months early. ---
**Author:** ![seal\_tamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@seal\_tamer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/seal_tamer)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2005, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ill-take-it-to-the-pit-re-miss-kaitlyns-first-day/283418/89 "2005-01-08T02:17:34Z")
I hope I’m not being impertinent, but you sound so lovely, could you ever link us a picture? ---
**Author:** ![Mirror\_Image\_egamI\_rorriM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e56c9b/32.png) [@Mirror\_Image\_egamI\_rorriM](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mirror_Image_egamI_rorriM)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2005, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ill-take-it-to-the-pit-re-miss-kaitlyns-first-day/283418/90 "2005-01-08T02:23:56Z")
Before I even read any of Clothahump’s posts, I didn’t like him, because his name comes from a TERRIBLE book (or a I guess a series, really. I only ever read one. It was terrible) The character named Clothahump in the book is a turtle who is also a wizard. There’s some dumb kid named John Tom who does magic by playing a guitar and singing “Karma Chameleon.” And an anthropomorphic otter whose sex life is described in waaaaay too many details. As Dave Barry would say, [I am not making this up.](http://www.thecheers.org/eng/article_117.html) ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2005, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ill-take-it-to-the-pit-re-miss-kaitlyns-first-day/283418/91 "2005-01-08T02:26:39Z")
I’ve read several threads of yours now and I simply must state that you have to be the most charming person in the world. I bet you are absolutely ravishing in person, with an incredibly smart wit and apparently compassionate to a fault. (I used to want to teach – junior high English, no less. :eek: ) Your obvious adoration, love and dedication to your students is apparent. I wish there were more people like you in the world that were so inspiring. My hat’s off to you. And I wish you the absolute best. May you kick butts and succeed in everything you do, happily. Which I have no doubt that you will. The support in your corner is extensive and amazing. Oh, and by extension, can I just say that your wife and your principle have broken the mold on being shining examples of what we all should be and how we should love each other. Great folks all the way around. Peace to you and yours. Plus a couple of hugs whenever the assholes in the universe get you down. You are superior to them in every way. More hugs. ---
**Author:** ![Kaitlyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/73ab20/32.png) [@Kaitlyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kaitlyn)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2005, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ill-take-it-to-the-pit-re-miss-kaitlyns-first-day/283418/92 "2005-01-08T02:38:18Z")
> [@seal tamer](#): > > I hope I’m not being impertinent, but you sound so lovely, could you ever link us a picture? I prefer to keep a little bit of anonymity–not giving out my last name or exact location–and a picture fits in with that . If you live in my neighborhood or have kids that go to my school, you already know that stuff anyway, and if you don’t it isn’t really something you need to know. I don’t mind the question, so don’t feel bad, I just want to keep a little to myself on this. However, if you go over to the Kaitlyn’s first day thread, there’s a post near the end of page 4 that’ll enable you to get a pretty good approximation of what I look like. ---
**Author:** ![seal\_tamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@seal\_tamer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/seal_tamer)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2005, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ill-take-it-to-the-pit-re-miss-kaitlyns-first-day/283418/93 "2005-01-08T02:42:17Z")
Okay; I understand the anonimity. You just describe yourself so well, I am sure you are lovely; I guess I don’t need photo proof. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2005, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ill-take-it-to-the-pit-re-miss-kaitlyns-first-day/283418/94 "2005-01-08T02:45:03Z")
> [@Mirror Image egamI rorriM](#): > > I only ever read one. It was terrible Forgive me, you read one book or one book of a series? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2005, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ill-take-it-to-the-pit-re-miss-kaitlyns-first-day/283418/95 "2005-01-08T03:55:48Z")
> [@Kaitlyn](#): > > I prefer to keep a little bit of anonymity–not giving out my last name or exact location–and a picture fits in with that . If you live in my neighborhood or have kids that go to my school, you already know that stuff anyway, and if you don’t it isn’t really something you need to know. > > I don’t mind the question, so don’t feel bad, I just want to keep a little to myself on this. Kaitlyn, if you don’t mind, please send me a mail on that subject of privacy in Texas. Your e-mail isn’t listed. Una ---
**Author:** ![Kythereia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e8c25b/32.png) [@Kythereia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kythereia)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2005, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ill-take-it-to-the-pit-re-miss-kaitlyns-first-day/283418/96 "2005-01-08T04:53:10Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Well, this is fascinating, to say the least. > > I posted an absolutely true statement and we are up to three pages ripping me a new one for doing it. I stand behind my statement: someone with XY is male, period. At least as far as we know now; sometime in the future, medical science might be able to change that, but they can’t today. > > Could I have phrased it differently? Sure. Would it have made a bit of difference? Probably not. OhmygoodLord. **Clothahump** , I was not pitting you for saying WHAT you did. Posted in Great Debates, you might have a good (if controversial, and somewhat inflammatory) debate on your hands. I was posting you for WHEN you said it. **Kaitlyn** ’s thread about how she faced down starting her first day at a new school–very bravely and with the utmost grace, I might add–is _not_ the place to state “Oh, what you just did and what you’ve gone through really doesn’t matter, because you’re male anyways, too bad”? Don’t you have any tact? Any sensitivity to others? Any feelings whatsoever? ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Tan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/charlie_tan/32/12582_2.png) [@Charlie\_Tan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Tan)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2005, 11:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ill-take-it-to-the-pit-re-miss-kaitlyns-first-day/283418/97 "2005-01-08T11:08:00Z")
> [@KellyM](#): > > Because he’s an asshole. D’oh! Sure, that’s your opinion, and mine. But I want to know what prompted him to post. I mean, we have to hit that button “submit reply”, so there’s must have been some thought process involved. Reading the thread, typing the post, hitting reply. I doubt he’ll explain it, of course, but so far in this thread, he’s been getting a fairly good asswhuppin and got away with a little handwaiving. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2005, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ill-take-it-to-the-pit-re-miss-kaitlyns-first-day/283418/98 "2005-01-08T15:02:57Z")
> [@Kaitlyn](#): > > I do believe that may be the first time anybody with a double digit age has ever referred to me as “cool”. And I meant cool in the “cool jazz” sense (Chet Baker, Gerry Mulligan, porkpie hats) rather than the “Hey, my mom just got me a Volvo.” “_Cool_!” sense. The good kind of cool. ---
**Author:** ![picunurse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7bcc69/32.png) [@picunurse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/picunurse)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2005, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ill-take-it-to-the-pit-re-miss-kaitlyns-first-day/283418/99 "2005-01-08T15:57:31Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Well, this is fascinating, to say the least. > > I posted an absolutely true statement and we are up to three pages ripping me a new one for doing it. I stand behind my statement: someone with XY is male, period. At least as far as we know now; sometime in the future, medical science might be able to change that, but they can’t today. > > Could I have phrased it differently? Sure. Would it have made a bit of difference? Probably not. Would you have been as rude to an [XY intersex](http://www.altpenis.com/penis_news/20020808221319data_trunc_sys.shtml) raised as female? > [@](#): > > In the first study, researchers interviewed, reviewed the history of and examined 39 people 21 years of age or older seen at Hopkins as infants or children with genital ambiguity. The patients **all had a genetically male, XY genotype** and a genetic intersex syndrome that causes the abnormal formation of an extremely small phallus, with the urethral opening on the underside, where it would be located on a female. > > Although historically there has been controversy over which is the best gender assignment for these children, they are often\*\* assigned to female gender\*\* by parents and doctors, undergoing surgeries and hormone treatments, to be reared as girls. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2005, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ill-take-it-to-the-pit-re-miss-kaitlyns-first-day/283418/100 "2005-01-08T16:07:32Z")
> [@Kaitlyn](#): > > \*Mrs. Six says my descriptions of my clothes are a lot like those softcore tg porn fantasies I used to read. She’s also told me that I enjoy talking about clothes so much that I could bore an obscene phone caller who asked me what I was wearing into hanging up, because I’d go on about my hair, makeup, and accessories when I was done with the clothes. Ah, a fellow clothes-addict! Welcome to the club, chica. 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ill-take-it-to-the-pit-re-miss-kaitlyns-first-day/283418.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ill-take-it-to-the-pit-re-miss-kaitlyns-first-day/283418.md?page=6)