# So I'm Finally Watching Buffy... \[Progressive unboxed spoilers\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 11, 2010, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-im-finally-watching-buffy-progressive-unboxed-spoilers/539107 "2010-05-11T22:25:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 42
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2010, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-im-finally-watching-buffy-progressive-unboxed-spoilers/539107/821 "2010-12-15T01:31:21Z")
> [@bouv](#): > > I have to wonder about the placement of _Smile Time_ > > It’s a very fun, light-hearted, episode. And then the very next one? _A Hole in the World._ The guttiest of gut-punches. Since _Smile Time_ could have been put at almost any point in the season, I have to think the producers chose to put it there so that the audience would feel all the more impact from Fred’s death. Roller-coaster ride, indeed. [spoiler]I stopped watching after that in the initial run, actually. Fred was my favorite character. I started with the episode that she came on, and only saw the earlier episodes in reruns. I don’t know if I actually finished out the show, or just read about it.[/spoiler] ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2010, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-im-finally-watching-buffy-progressive-unboxed-spoilers/539107/822 "2010-12-15T03:28:23Z")
> [@olivesmarch4th](#): > > Speaking of arc, there really isn’t one in this season yet. Well, it does but it isn’t as strong or noticeable as season 4’s, which becomes one story that continues episode to episode. Season 5 is my favorite year, but it’s pretty much tied with 4. I think S5 works better after seeing it in entirety. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2010, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-im-finally-watching-buffy-progressive-unboxed-spoilers/539107/823 "2010-12-15T15:00:16Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Season 5 is my favorite year, but it’s pretty much tied with 4. I think S5 works better after seeing it in entirety. Definitely. The last seven episodes or so are absolutely wrenching. And in retrospect, even “The Girl In Question” was placed perfectly. We wanted more depth and plot development, but in “reality” life would have gone on even among all the chaos. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2010, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-im-finally-watching-buffy-progressive-unboxed-spoilers/539107/824 "2010-12-15T15:28:13Z")
Hey, **The Girl In Question** is one of my favorite episodes of Angel or Buffy. And it is in season 5(one of the last episodes). ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2010, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-im-finally-watching-buffy-progressive-unboxed-spoilers/539107/825 "2010-12-15T15:34:00Z")
I agree, but if you cast your memory back, the fanbase was enraged by that episode. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2010, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-im-finally-watching-buffy-progressive-unboxed-spoilers/539107/826 "2010-12-15T16:07:42Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > I agree, but if you cast your memory back, the fanbase was enraged by that episode. [spoiler]I think the enraging was more that we never saw Buffy and that the idea that she had moved on with a demon douchebag like The Immortal (also unseen) were the sore spots. Although wasn’t this also the episode that made Angel and Spike’s “love that dare not speak it’s name” canon?[/spoiler] ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2010, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-im-finally-watching-buffy-progressive-unboxed-spoilers/539107/827 "2010-12-15T16:13:45Z")
Nope. That was “Power Play” - the next episode. ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2010, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-im-finally-watching-buffy-progressive-unboxed-spoilers/539107/828 "2010-12-15T16:56:47Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > I think the enraging was more that we never saw Buffy and that the idea that she had move season 8 spoiler: Apparently, even Joss thought better of that later, retconning it away in the comics. I doubt he planned that all along. Would’ve been some clue in the episode itself, I think. ---
**Author:** ![Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a9a28c/32.png) [@Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oslo_Ostragoth)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2010, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-im-finally-watching-buffy-progressive-unboxed-spoilers/539107/829 "2010-12-18T01:58:54Z")
I’m finally eligible for the thread, having just finished the series. Seventeen freaking pages? I guess I gotta plow through it… ---
**Author:** ![Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a9a28c/32.png) [@Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oslo_Ostragoth)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2010, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-im-finally-watching-buffy-progressive-unboxed-spoilers/539107/830 "2010-12-18T04:44:46Z")
p.s.: Anchovies, anchovies, you’re so delicious I love you more than all the other fishes 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2010, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-im-finally-watching-buffy-progressive-unboxed-spoilers/539107/831 "2010-12-18T14:25:53Z")
> [@Oslo\_Ostragoth](#): > > p.s.: > > Anchovies, anchovies, you’re so delicious > > I love you more than all the other fishes > > 😃 Dawn gets pizza sauce on Buffy’s clothes. “Meh. She’ll think it’s blood.” 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Waffle\_Decider](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/77aa72/32.png) [@Waffle\_Decider](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waffle_Decider)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2010, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-im-finally-watching-buffy-progressive-unboxed-spoilers/539107/832 "2010-12-18T20:18:58Z")
Which unfortunately didn’t fool Anya… ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2010, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-im-finally-watching-buffy-progressive-unboxed-spoilers/539107/833 "2010-12-18T21:34:42Z")
> [@Waffle\_Decider](#): > > Which unfortunately didn’t fool Anya… Is that the same shirt? ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2010, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-im-finally-watching-buffy-progressive-unboxed-spoilers/539107/834 "2010-12-18T22:25:35Z")
I’m not digging out my DVDs to be absolutely certain, but considering the level of continuity in the series and that they’re only seven episodes apart, and Jane Espenson was a writer for both, I’ve always assumed they were. ---
**Author:** ![MicroUSE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9c0ed/32.png) [@MicroUSE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MicroUSE)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2011, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-im-finally-watching-buffy-progressive-unboxed-spoilers/539107/835 "2011-05-17T17:09:15Z")
Buffy truly (not just an excuse to get you to keep watching) is one of the shows that gets better with time. I just finished watching it recently, and I had about the same reaction as you did that far in. I thought it was silly and over the top, but decent. Then I got to season 3 and it became possibly my favorite show ever (possibly more than BSG, that’s a long shot though). They cut back on the silly, one episode villains that haunted the early show and make a more focused storyline (not that season 2 isn’t great, Spike is amazing and there are good moments). Season 3 is arguably the shows best, season 4 is kinda lame but isn’t near as bad as season 1, season 5 is my personal favorite, 6 is great, and 7 is great. I actually prefer it over Firefly now. Oh, and once you get to season 4 try to watch Buffy and Angel (the show) side by side, I’m watch Angel now and I think it would have been better if I saw them together. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2011, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-im-finally-watching-buffy-progressive-unboxed-spoilers/539107/836 "2011-05-17T17:15:25Z")
I don’t think this counts as a zombie - it’s barely dead, and Buffy fought the barely-dead all the time. The Mayor is still the best Big Bad the show ever had. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2011, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-im-finally-watching-buffy-progressive-unboxed-spoilers/539107/837 "2011-05-17T17:29:11Z")
Olives, did you finish the show? Remind me, it’s been awhile. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-im-finally-watching-buffy-progressive-unboxed-spoilers/539107/838 "2024-09-11T19:42:37Z")
Had to pick a thread to post this in, a cool new photo of Warren, Jonathan, and Tucker’s brother: > **[Sarah Michelle Gellar shows love to 'Buffy' family as villainous Trio reunites](https://ew.com/sarah-michelle-gellar-reacts-buffy-the-vampire-slayer-villainous-trio-reunion-8710011)** > > Sarah Michelle Gellar has never stopped showing love to her former 'Buffy' cast and crew, and now she's calling the reunited actors who played season 6's villainous Trio 'three people I adore.' [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-im-finally-watching-buffy-progressive-unboxed-spoilers/539107.md?page=41)