# So, is it to be genocide Dogface? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 31, 2004, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-is-it-to-be-genocide-dogface/237559 "2004-03-31T16:48:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Binarydrone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3da27b/32.png) [@Binarydrone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Binarydrone)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2004, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-is-it-to-be-genocide-dogface/237559/1 "2004-03-31T16:48:58Z")
Folks, as memory serves I have never pitted a fellow doper. Sure, I have had vitriolic exchanges in Pit threads, but never have I called anyone out before. With that gravity in mind, I offer this for your consideration: In this thread [(where we learn that some Third World people are sub-human :rolleyes: )](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=248392), [(the thread itself is dealing with the incident of the mutilation of US contract workers in Iraq)](http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=586&e=1&u=/nm/20040331/wl_nm/iraq_dc), we are treated to such gems as: > [@Dogface](#): > > I say the reasonable response would be to exterminate the entire city. Then we let it be known that every similar action would be met by similar results. Some people simply can only understand force. So let us speak their language. And: > [@Dogface](#): > > Salted earth. We need to get Roman on their backsides. So, lest anyone think that I am somehow just a dispassionate observer here, I will note that I have family in that area, specifically doing contract work. One of those poor people could have very easily been my own step-father. However, **Dogface** , the sentiments that you express make me want to vomit. I really have no words for how despicably vile you are. It is people like you that make me wonder if the Human race can ever be redeemed. In short, you disgust me. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2004, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-is-it-to-be-genocide-dogface/237559/2 "2004-03-31T17:00:04Z")
> [@Binarydrone](#): > > However, **Dogface** , the sentiments that you express make me want to vomit. I really have no words for how despicably vile you are. It is people like you that make me wonder if the Human race can ever be redeemed. In short, you disgust me. Well, his name _is_ **Dogface**. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2004, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-is-it-to-be-genocide-dogface/237559/3 "2004-03-31T17:09:21Z")
I am utterly disgusted by the actions of the Iraqis, but exterminating them is hardly a response befitting a democracy that supposedly is promoting freedom and popular sovereignty. Yes, the atrocity in Fallujah is reprehensible, but attributing that as some sort of blood libel on every Iraqi is indecent, IMO. “Let us make examples of them” is the cry of the dictator and the thug, not a free people who wish to export their values to a benighted nation that suffers from ignorance, poverty, and inchoate rage. Mind, I have the urge to bitchslap any Iraqis in the vicinity, but that’s primal anger talking and I’m trying to rise above that. Just don’t try to sell any of that Religion of Peace malarkey–I’m not buying it at the moment. ---
**Author:** ![tiny\_ham](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a183cd/32.png) [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2004, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-is-it-to-be-genocide-dogface/237559/4 "2004-03-31T17:31:02Z")
More and more I’m worrying that people are beginning to believe that 37,000 wrongs somehow DO make a right. ---
**Author:** ![legion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/838e76/32.png) [@legion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/legion)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2004, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-is-it-to-be-genocide-dogface/237559/5 "2004-03-31T18:02:47Z")
Dogface, you are one sick puppy! ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2004, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-is-it-to-be-genocide-dogface/237559/6 "2004-03-31T18:26:17Z")
The simple problem is that **Dogface** is, on average, an idiot. He may be an idiot to all sides of the political spectrum, but he’s still an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![sailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a587f6/32.png) [@sailor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sailor)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2004, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-is-it-to-be-genocide-dogface/237559/7 "2004-03-31T18:32:41Z")
> [@rjung](#): > > The simple problem is that **Dogface** is, on average, an idiot. He may be an idiot to all sides of the political spectrum, but he’s still an idiot. Thank you. My own thoughts in a nutshell. I couldn’t have said it better myself. ---
**Author:** ![Bob\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@Bob\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bob_1)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2004, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-is-it-to-be-genocide-dogface/237559/8 "2004-03-31T18:41:18Z")
> [@sailor](#): > > Thank you. My own thoughts in a nutshell. I couldn’t have said it better myself. You said it fairly well in the other thread: > [@](#): > > …In cases like this I tend to root for the little guy who was attacked by the big guy, but that’s just me. Nice to know that you are ‘rooting for the little guy’. Three cheers for murdering the contractors and desecrating their corpses? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![tiny\_ham](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a183cd/32.png) [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2004, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-is-it-to-be-genocide-dogface/237559/9 "2004-03-31T18:49:08Z")
I am not sailor, but I’ll go on a limb and DOUBT that he’s cheering for the murdering of contractors. I may be wrong… however, perhaps he’s rooting for the innocent population of Iraq who in no way support the splinter groups and perhaps…just perhaps don’t deserve to be NUKED and EXTERMINATED. ---
**Author:** ![Kalhoun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3bc359/32.png) [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2004, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-is-it-to-be-genocide-dogface/237559/10 "2004-03-31T18:57:14Z")
> [@gobear](#): > > I am utterly disgusted by the actions of the Iraqis, but exterminating them is hardly a response befitting a democracy that supposedly is promoting freedom and popular sovereignty. Yes, the atrocity in Fallujah is reprehensible, but attributing that as some sort of blood libel on every Iraqi is indecent, IMO. > > “Let us make examples of them” is the cry of the dictator and the thug, not a free people who wish to export their values to a benighted nation that suffers from ignorance, poverty, and inchoate rage. > Mind, I have the urge to bitchslap any Iraqis in the vicinity, but that’s primal anger talking and I’m trying to rise above that. > > Just don’t try to sell any of that Religion of Peace malarkey–I’m not buying it at the moment. Well fucking told. A civilized people will put a governor on their emotions, much the same way that you refrain from calling your boss a stupid muthafucka every time he pisses you off. Killing everything in site is a childish, ineffective way to solve a problem, particularly with people who you’re trying to set an example for. ---
**Author:** ![Binarydrone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3da27b/32.png) [@Binarydrone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Binarydrone)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2004, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-is-it-to-be-genocide-dogface/237559/11 "2004-03-31T18:58:51Z")
> [@Bob!](#): > > …Nice to know that you are ‘rooting for the little guy’. Three cheers for murdering the contractors and desecrating their corpses? :rolleyes: Yes, I am sure that is just what he had in mind. I bet that he throws a fucking kegger with each new batch of deaths (well, American deaths anyway. Probably he mourns the insurgents and terrorists deaths while whacking off to a poster of Hitler). ---
**Author:** ![sailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a587f6/32.png) [@sailor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sailor)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2004, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-is-it-to-be-genocide-dogface/237559/12 "2004-03-31T19:00:17Z")
> [@Bob!](#): > > You said it fairly well in the other thread: > > Nice to know that you are ‘rooting for the little guy’. Three cheers for murdering the contractors and desecrating their corpses? :rolleyes: Yeah because the only options are (a) Iraqis killing Americans or (b) Americans killing Iraqis You have to choose one of those because GWB has made option © Americans stay home and don’t kill Iraqis and Iraqis don’t kill Americans impossible. I still think it was the better choice but since GWB has said “you are either with us or you are against us” I suppose he has given me no chice but to be against him. According to him and you I am then supporting terrorism, torture, rape and Saddam Hussein and now, mutilating corpses. Um, Ok. If you say so. ---
**Author:** ![Bob\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@Bob\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bob_1)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2004, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-is-it-to-be-genocide-dogface/237559/13 "2004-03-31T19:16:53Z")
Well, I am certainly glad that you laid out the three only options of what can happen in Iraq. :rolleyes: > [@](#): > > Well, as long as we have that clear then dead Americans are just part of the price America should expect to pay. Iraqis have the right to protect _their_ interests which seem to be in conflict with America’s interests right now. Iraqis are trying to get America to pay the highest price in the hopes that America will decide it is not worth the effort. America thumped its chest and told the world to go to hell and went in alone. **Well, now each side is looking out for their own interests. In cases like this I tend to root for the little guy who was attacked by the big guy, but that’s just me.** And just how could that filth be interpreted as anything but cheering on the terrorists? (‘Freedom fighters’ to you, no doubt.) What possible room for maneuver is in your statement? None. You are a sick fuck. ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2004, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-is-it-to-be-genocide-dogface/237559/14 "2004-03-31T19:17:47Z")
In defense of **Dogface** I understand the sentiment he expressed. I oppose the campaign GWB launched against Iraq based on the fact that an Afgan group funded by a Saudi, killed many American CIVILIANS (You fucking goddamn bastards(I am addressing this side note to the fucking bastard terrorists) the people in the WTC were fucking civilians, they never did a fucking thing to harm you you fucking piece of shit scum sucking bastards!!!) On a visceral level I completely agree with **Dogface** I had the same reaction when those goddamn fucking heathen savage bastards dragged American BOYS through the streets of Mogadishu. But despite my gut reaction I realize that genocide is not the right response to the actions of a few goddamn fucking savage mother fucking bastards. ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2004, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-is-it-to-be-genocide-dogface/237559/15 "2004-03-31T19:23:10Z")
> [@](#): > > Yeah because the only options are > > (a) Iraqis killing Americans or > (b) Americans killing Iraqis I’m sure you think you’re better than the pro-war folks, Sailor, but this sort of thinking sure isn’t indicative of it. ---
**Author:** ![Binarydrone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3da27b/32.png) [@Binarydrone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Binarydrone)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2004, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-is-it-to-be-genocide-dogface/237559/16 "2004-03-31T19:29:18Z")
> [@Bob!](#): > > Well, I am certainly glad that you laid out the three only options of what can happen in Iraq. :rolleyes: > > And just how could that filth be interpreted as anything but cheering on the terrorists? (‘Freedom fighters’ to you, no doubt.) What possible room for maneuver is in your statement? None. You are a sick fuck. Good show calling him on that, you big strong man you. Otherwise the terrorists will already have won! Operation Enduring Wave Our Boner in the Face of the World™ would fail! Thank god that there are true patriots like you around. Otherwise we would be fucking lost! Lost I say! ---
**Author:** ![tiny\_ham](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a183cd/32.png) [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2004, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-is-it-to-be-genocide-dogface/237559/17 "2004-03-31T19:32:08Z")
> [@Bob!](#): > > And just how could that filth be interpreted as anything but cheering on the terrorists? (‘Freedom fighters’ to you, no doubt.) What possible room for maneuver is in your statement? None. You are a sick fuck. Well, not that i think sailor is EITHER option, I’d rather be a sick fuck than a blatantly ignorant one. Let’s try it this way: America is BIG, real BIG, in terms of size, power and arrogance. We decided we wanted to march in to Iraq and make it a country JUST. LIKE. OURS. Wouldn’t that be nice? And maybe we could make everyone get along and in a dream world, they’d all be big christian capitalists! Iraq is little in terms of size, MONEY, RESOURCES and OPTIONS. They had no choice but to ‘welcome’ the American troops killing civilians and toppling cities in their quest to get Saddam and of course…the WMD. So Saddam is gone now, and guess what? IRAQ HAS NO NEED FOR US ANYMORE. THEY DON’T WANT US ANYMORE and that’s been made abundantly clear. Do we leave? Hell no. We take control of their newspapers and radio stations, censoring out [anti-american sentiment](http://electroniciraq.net/news/1432.shtml), and Iraqis have started fighting back. MORE AMericans are dying MORE Iraqis are dying. MORE HUMAN BEINGS ARE DYING. We need to leave Iraq. THAT is what I’m rooting for, and I suspect sailor feels the same. ---
**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2004, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-is-it-to-be-genocide-dogface/237559/18 "2004-03-31T19:33:30Z")
> [@sailor](#): > > since GWB has said “you are either with us or you are against us” I suppose he has given me no chice but to be against him. According to him and you I am then supporting terrorism, torture, rape and Saddam Hussein and now, mutilating corpses. Um, Ok. If you say so. Don’t forget child prostitution. Enjoy, Steven ---
**Author:** ![sailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a587f6/32.png) [@sailor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sailor)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2004, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-is-it-to-be-genocide-dogface/237559/19 "2004-03-31T19:35:01Z")
> [@Bob!](#): > > Well, I am certainly glad that you laid out the three only options of what can happen in Iraq. :rolleyes: Well, no, those seem to be the options you implied. I have said I was for option © which was not invading Iraq. > [@](#): > > And just how could that filth be interpreted as anything but cheering on the terrorists? (‘Freedom fighters’ to you, no doubt.) What possible room for maneuver is in your statement? None. You are a sick fuck. You fucking liar and idiot. You are taking my quote out of context. That was my response to someone who asserted America was just taking care of its interests and my post was a reasoning of what logic conclusions one has to draw if it is considered fine for a country to invade another country solely on the basis that it is in its interests to do so. So quit taking my posts out of contetx. And yes, I still believe that if the only justification America can produce for attacking Iraq is that it is in its own interest to do so then i believe the Iraqis have the right, even the duty, to resist. Which is not saying I want any dead Americans. It is the government of the USA who is willing to pay the price in human lives, American and Irai, to protect their interests. Blame them for the loss of life on both sides. Don’t blame me. I didn’t cause it to happen. I just report what’s happening. Asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Bob\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@Bob\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bob_1)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2004, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-is-it-to-be-genocide-dogface/237559/20 "2004-03-31T19:37:05Z")
> [@Binarydrone](#): > > Good show calling him on that, you big strong man you. Otherwise the terrorists will already have won! Operation Enduring Wave Our Boner in the Face of the World™ would fail! Thank god that there are true patriots like you around. Otherwise we would be fucking lost! Lost I say! You realize that bobble-headed idiots such as yourself are going to be the reason that GW wins the election, don’t you? I voted for Clinton twice, Gore once, but I’ll be damned if I am going to be on the side of you and **Sailor** come November. You idiots want to hijack the party and run with it, go for it. The days of Roosevelt, Truman, and Kennedy are long gone, it seems. Lord knows I will probably lose sperm count doing it, but I’ll vote for Bush. Anything to politically distance myself from those who take such a cavalier attitude towards the death of American civilians. And I restate: You are _both_ sick fucks. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-is-it-to-be-genocide-dogface/237559.md?page=2)