# So is Mirage a super? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 2, 2009, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-is-mirage-a-super/491777 "2009-04-02T23:02:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Unintentionally\_Blank](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/unintentionally_blank/32/5418_2.png) [@Unintentionally\_Blank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unintentionally_Blank)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-is-mirage-a-super/491777/1 "2009-04-02T23:02:54Z")
(from The Incredibles) She says so ‘in context’ ( ‘[The supers]aren’t gone, we’re still here.’) , but you never seem to see anything. Or is THAT the mirage. 😉 And I must add the bet animated character EVER created is Edna Mode. Jus sayin’. ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-is-mirage-a-super/491777/2 "2009-04-03T00:06:34Z")
I thought she said “You’re still here.” And I never thought she was a super. It would surprise me, since Syndrome hated all of them and was busy killing all of them. (Favorite throwaway scene - when Edna pushes Helen’s kleenex into the trash, and there’s a brief glow from an incinerator) ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-is-mirage-a-super/491777/3 "2009-04-03T00:12:58Z")
Yes, she says, “The supers aren’t _gone_, Mr. Incredible, _you’re_ still here.” What you may be thinking of is where she says, “We have something in common. According to the government, neither of us exist.” I’m pretty sure she’s a normal, but a very smart and clever normal. ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-is-mirage-a-super/491777/4 "2009-04-03T00:23:36Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > I’m pretty sure she’s a normal, but a very smart and clever normal. You forgot hot. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-is-mirage-a-super/491777/5 "2009-04-03T00:36:29Z")
> [@ArchiveGuy](#): > > You forgot hot. 😛 Well, that’s just a given. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-is-mirage-a-super/491777/6 "2009-04-03T00:48:07Z")
Maybe a [little thin](http://bitrot.net/images/blog/TI-020.jpg) in real world proportions, but as animated hotties go, she’s a Super in my book. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-is-mirage-a-super/491777/7 "2009-04-03T01:19:07Z")
I was surprised to learn the voice wasn’t Kathleen Turner’s. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-is-mirage-a-super/491777/8 "2009-04-03T02:12:27Z")
What I’ve always wondered about is why she says “According to the government, neither of us exist.” (as **Bosstone** quotes). Why? Why shouldn’t she exist? What advantage is there for her to not exist? They never explain this in the film. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-is-mirage-a-super/491777/9 "2009-04-03T02:26:30Z")
> [@CalMeacham](#): > > What I’ve always wondered about is why she says “According to the government, neither of us exist.” (as **Bosstone** quotes). > > Why? Why shouldn’t she exist? What advantage is there for her to not exist? They never explain this in the film. The primary (and maybe only) reason is because she’s presenting herself as a representative of a top secret organization. People who know about the supers and have need of their talents when the ordinary world has passed them by. She’s saying, “You and I? We’re special. So special we don’t need to obey those silly public laws. We can use you.” ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-is-mirage-a-super/491777/10 "2009-04-03T02:28:50Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > The primary (and maybe only) reason is because she’s presenting herself as a representative of a top secret organization. People who know about the supers and have need of their talents when the ordinary world has passed them by. She’s saying, “You and I? We’re special. So special we don’t need to obey those silly public laws. We can use you.” I dunno if it’s that deep. If she hints she works for a secret government agency, it makes the giant robot project seem halfway legit, whereas if it’s clearly a private operation, Mr. Incredible might get suspicious. ---
**Author:** ![Unintentionally\_Blank](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/unintentionally_blank/32/5418_2.png) [@Unintentionally\_Blank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unintentionally_Blank)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-is-mirage-a-super/491777/11 "2009-04-03T02:30:22Z")
I was just wonderin if there was more to read into it, though. The 3d recording and the “hologrammy” business card. But that’s also what makes pixar great, they don’t explain everything. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-is-mirage-a-super/491777/12 "2009-04-03T02:36:33Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I dunno if it’s that deep. If she hints she works for a secret government agency, it makes the giant robot project seem halfway legit, whereas if it’s clearly a private operation, Mr. Incredible might get suspicious. Well yeah, that’s mostly what I was getting at in a sort of roundabout way. I also had **MiB** in my head. “We’re above the law, over it, beyond it.” ---
**Author:** ![Amp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Amp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amp)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-is-mirage-a-super/491777/13 "2009-04-03T02:38:45Z")
I just thought she was letting him know she was a spook. ---
**Author:** ![Llama\_Llogophile](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@Llama\_Llogophile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Llama_Llogophile)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-is-mirage-a-super/491777/14 "2009-04-03T03:38:00Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I was surprised to learn the voice wasn’t Kathleen Turner’s. I would have bet money it was Minnie Driver - very surprised to learn it wasn’t her. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-is-mirage-a-super/491777/15 "2009-04-03T04:24:18Z")
What I want to know is when the hell are they going to do a sequel? ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-is-mirage-a-super/491777/16 "2009-04-03T14:25:00Z")
Amen! I remember Brad Bird was quoted in _USA Today_ within a few weeks of the movie’s release saying he was open to a sequel if he could get a kickass script, but I guess so far he hasn’t seen one (plus he dove right into _Ratatouille_ and now the live-action movie _1906_). Just found this Bird quote in the _Incredibles_ article on Wiki: “Basically, I came into a wonderful studio, frightened a lot of people with how many presents I wanted for Christmas, and then got almost everything I asked for.” Nothing to add to others’ speculation here about Mirage, except to say that she was a very deft and alluring go-between for Buddy in luring Mr. Incredible into danger. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-is-mirage-a-super/491777/17 "2009-04-03T14:33:39Z")
> [@Mach Tuck](#): > > I would have bet money it was Minnie Driver - very surprised to learn it wasn’t her. I knew right away that it was Elizabeth Pena. She has a very distinctive (and sexy) voice. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-is-mirage-a-super/491777/18 "2009-04-03T14:44:35Z")
I always thought (with no basis at all) that she was a robot. A \*girl \*robot. ---
**Author:** ![Baldwin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baldwin/32/7264_2.png) [@Baldwin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baldwin)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-is-mirage-a-super/491777/19 "2009-04-03T14:47:27Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > I knew right away that it was Elizabeth Pena. She has a very distinctive (and sexy) voice. She’s got a sexy everything. ---
**Author:** ![Baldwin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baldwin/32/7264_2.png) [@Baldwin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baldwin)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-is-mirage-a-super/491777/20 "2009-04-03T14:49:00Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > What I want to know is when the hell are they going to do a sequel? Yeah; it’s pretty rare that I see a movie and immediately wish there were a sequel. The DVD has some fun extras, like information files on the various superhero characters shown or referred to. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-is-mirage-a-super/491777.md?page=2)