# So is this what we can expect if leftists are allowed into Republican events? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 2, 2005, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-is-this-what-we-can-expect-if-leftists-are-allowed-into-republican-events/297368 "2005-04-02T05:13:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2005, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-is-this-what-we-can-expect-if-leftists-are-allowed-into-republican-events/297368/102 "2005-04-12T05:37:10Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Ted Kennedy, Al Gore, Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, and Robert Byrd have engaged in a level of uncivil theatrics that transcends the current norm in national politics. As defined by Tom deLay, Frist and friends over Terry Schiavo and federal judges? I think _not_! ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2005, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-is-this-what-we-can-expect-if-leftists-are-allowed-into-republican-events/297368/103 "2005-04-12T06:12:57Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > As defined by Tom deLay, Frist and friends over Terry Schiavo and federal judges? I think _not_! Although Tom Delay is not on my list of people I would invite to dinner I have not seen any yelling on his part. Given his current position in the news I would expect to see it. I think you are confusing your dislike with his position on Schiavo with uncivil behavior. I’ve debated the issue with a number of people and it was done without eviscerating any of them. I’m not trying to cast a shadow on the Democratic party nor pass judgement on the people I mentioned. I’m criticizing their calculated behavior in front of a crowd. In my lifetime there has been an exceptional amount of civility in American politics. I was actually surprised by it when compared it to what I saw in other countries. History may not record the amount of fist slamming in a speech but you can usually tell how it was delivered by the words. It wasn’t always a polite state if affairs in American politics. Republicans and Democrats alike would fling their crap like drunken monkeys. Maybe it was the unified atmosphere of WWII that kept things civil for so long. I don’t know. I’ve just noticed a growing trend toward unnecessary rudeness. I would have to say that if I saw someone wearing a T-shirt that said “Hillary, please kill yourself”, I would explain to them, in very specific language, what an asshole they are. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2005, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-is-this-what-we-can-expect-if-leftists-are-allowed-into-republican-events/297368/104 "2005-04-13T16:42:18Z")
Good grief. The same company that sells the Tom Delay suicide T-shirt is now selling [kill Bush](http://www.cafepress.com/cp/browse/Ntt-kill%20bush_pp-_N-0_pv-Kill~Bush.10411556_No-1_Ntk-All_D-kill%20bush_Nao-1_p-2) T-shirts. How would they feel if they saw someone wearing a “kill Cafepress employees”? How would they feel if someone shot the President while wearing their T-shirt? There’s nothing politically insightful about this hate-speech. ---
**Author:** ![Kaspar\_Hauser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b3f665/32.png) [@Kaspar\_Hauser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kaspar_Hauser)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2005, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-is-this-what-we-can-expect-if-leftists-are-allowed-into-republican-events/297368/105 "2005-04-13T17:41:18Z")
Your link goes to a bunch of pro-Bush paraphernalia. “Bush Is My Homeboy”? I think my brain just vomited all over my skull. ---
**Author:** ![Raygun99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Raygun99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raygun99)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2005, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-is-this-what-we-can-expect-if-leftists-are-allowed-into-republican-events/297368/106 "2005-04-13T19:04:35Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Good grief. The same company that sells the Tom Delay suicide T-shirt is now selling [kill Bush](http://www.cafepress.com/cp/browse/Ntt-kill%20bush_pp-_N-0_pv-Kill~Bush.10411556_No-1_Ntk-All_D-kill%20bush_Nao-1_p-2) T-shirts. How would they feel if they saw someone wearing a “kill Cafepress employees”? How would they feel if someone shot the President while wearing their T-shirt? There’s nothing politically insightful about this hate-speech. Do you understand that Cafe Press is a DIY merchandising outfit, where literally anyone can submit an image for their own personal t-shirt, coffee mug or mouse pad store, and that CP has nothing to do with who has submitted them? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2005, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-is-this-what-we-can-expect-if-leftists-are-allowed-into-republican-events/297368/107 "2005-04-13T19:51:42Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > You’re using the “end justifies the means” logic. Applied to your example, if someone disagreed with the protestors it would be appropriate to disrupt the disrupters with rude uncivil behavior, or as it’s usually called, a riot. If someone believed the protestors were endangering innocent lives and that there was no peaceable way for them to prevent these lives from being endangered, then yes, I would expect them to disrupt the protestors with rude uncivil behavior. In fact, that’s usually not called a riot: that’s usually called riot police. Their premise, however, is wrong: the protestors are protesting bombs, which kill people, and which are different from protestors in that respect. Different means are acceptable to use for different ends. Again, only hardcore pacifists are in a position to dispute this without hypocrisy. > [@](#): > > IMO the pie-flinging fringe on the left are following by example. There is currently a far greater amount of red-faced fist thumping on the Democratic side than the Republican side. Ted Kennedy, Al Gore, Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, and Robert Byrd have engaged in a level of uncivil theatrics that transcends the current norm in national politics. Buh? Paying attention much over the last few years, when Democrats have routinely been called traitors for not sufficiently buckling under to the Administration’s demands? I advise you to follow your own cafepress link again: it’s a great demonstration of WHY we shouldn’t be too worried about the Democratic nutjobs. Go ahead: click on your link! Daniel ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2005, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-is-this-what-we-can-expect-if-leftists-are-allowed-into-republican-events/297368/108 "2005-04-13T19:55:31Z")
> [@Raygun99](#): > > Do you understand that Cafe Press is a DIY merchandising outfit, where literally anyone can submit an image for their own personal t-shirt, coffee mug or mouse pad store, and that CP has nothing to do with who has submitted them? Does that mean [MoveOn.org](http://MoveOn.org) didn’t really compare Bush to Hitler? ---
**Author:** ![wonderwench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/35a633/32.png) [@wonderwench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonderwench)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2005, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-is-this-what-we-can-expect-if-leftists-are-allowed-into-republican-events/297368/109 "2005-04-13T19:58:25Z")
> [@Apos](#): > > Take out the “hatred for Bush and other Republicans” and you’ve just described the behavior of the pro-tube faciton of the Schiavo affair. But of course, you don’t THINK about it like that, so one collumn in your comparison ends up going neglected when it comes time to compare. > > Undeniable. Also undeniable is that there is exactly the same strain on the right. Stunning indeed that you’ve discovered that the left is the worst. Truly, a great surprise! I don’t recall any of the demonstrators on Terri’s behalf hurling food at Pro-Death activists. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2005, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-is-this-what-we-can-expect-if-leftists-are-allowed-into-republican-events/297368/110 "2005-04-13T20:01:39Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > As for the OP, it really is silly to claim that one side of the political debate is any more ill-mannered than the other. How many times do we have to do the “my side is nobler than your side” debate? Until about a dozen posters get banned and then their inevitable sock puppets get discovered and shut down? Just guessing. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2005, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-is-this-what-we-can-expect-if-leftists-are-allowed-into-republican-events/297368/111 "2005-04-13T20:18:05Z")
> [@wonderwench](#): > > I don’t recall any of the demonstrators on Terri’s behalf hurling food at Pro-Death activists. Indeed–they just took out contracts on Michael Schiavo’s life. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![wonderwench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/35a633/32.png) [@wonderwench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonderwench)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2005, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-is-this-what-we-can-expect-if-leftists-are-allowed-into-republican-events/297368/112 "2005-04-13T20:25:42Z")
That is sad - but I don’t think it reflects the vast majority of the pro-life demonstrators. How about the folks selling the T-Shirts advocating that DeLay commit suicide? That’s nice, ain’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2005, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-is-this-what-we-can-expect-if-leftists-are-allowed-into-republican-events/297368/113 "2005-04-13T20:27:43Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Does that mean [MoveOn.org](http://MoveOn.org) didn’t really compare Bush to Hitler? Yes it does. That was a submission to a contest. IIRC, they removed it when found. BTW, I find someone shouting a lot less dangerous than a high ranking Congressman seeking to undermine the very basis of our government. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2005, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-is-this-what-we-can-expect-if-leftists-are-allowed-into-republican-events/297368/114 "2005-04-13T21:45:27Z")
> [@wonderwench](#): > > That is sad - but I don’t think it reflects the vast majority of the pro-life demonstrators. True (although “sad” is a fairly mild word for taking out a hit on someone). > [@](#): > > How about the folks selling the T-Shirts advocating that DeLay commit suicide? That is sad - but I don’t think it reflects the vast majority of Democrats. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-is-this-what-we-can-expect-if-leftists-are-allowed-into-republican-events/297368/115 "2005-04-14T00:41:40Z")
> [@wonderwench](#): > > I don’t recall any of the demonstrators on Terri’s behalf hurling food at Pro-Death activists. Can you make a single post that doesn’t involve inflammatory dishonest manipulative language? ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-is-this-what-we-can-expect-if-leftists-are-allowed-into-republican-events/297368/116 "2005-04-14T01:36:27Z")
> [@Raygun99](#): > > Do you understand that Cafe Press is a DIY merchandising outfit, where literally anyone can submit an image for their own personal t-shirt, coffee mug or mouse pad store, and that CP has nothing to do with who has submitted them? And your point is? ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-is-this-what-we-can-expect-if-leftists-are-allowed-into-republican-events/297368/117 "2005-04-14T01:50:37Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > Buh? Paying attention much over the last few years, when Democrats have routinely been called traitors for not sufficiently buckling under to the Administration’s demands? > > I advise you to follow your own cafepress link again: it’s a great demonstration of WHY we shouldn’t be too worried about the Democratic nutjobs. Go ahead: click on your link! > > Daniel I missed that one,which Republican politician called a Democrat a traitor? And the 2nd link I posted has been replaced by an apology. The first link has been replaced by another T-shirt asking Delay to drop dead. At least Cafepress is making an attempt at weeding them out (a bit slow, but an attempt). I’m not worried about the Demo nut jobs as much as I’m worried about the Jerry Springer atmosphere that drives it. ---
**Author:** ![Raygun99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Raygun99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raygun99)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-is-this-what-we-can-expect-if-leftists-are-allowed-into-republican-events/297368/118 "2005-04-14T01:51:34Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > And your point is? That attributing these sentiments to Cafe Press is erroneous, especially considering they seem to have removed the offending items in rather short order. As well, we know nothing about the people that did submit the items. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-is-this-what-we-can-expect-if-leftists-are-allowed-into-republican-events/297368/119 "2005-04-14T02:18:15Z")
> [@Raygun99](#): > > That attributing these sentiments to Cafe Press is erroneous, especially considering they seem to have removed the offending items in rather short order. > As well, we know nothing about the people that did submit the items. Well, yes and no. Cafepress is responsible for their website so it depends how timely they are at monitoring it. I’ll concede your point, (but slowly). As I pointed out earlier, there are more popping up. Going to be a bandwidth headache for them since Drudge is now riding their ass. But I guess it’s OK since Drudge is gay (according to a Cafepress T-shirt). ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-is-this-what-we-can-expect-if-leftists-are-allowed-into-republican-events/297368/120 "2005-04-14T02:32:34Z")
I’m pretty sure Drudge is gay according to Drudge. ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-is-this-what-we-can-expect-if-leftists-are-allowed-into-republican-events/297368/121 "2005-04-14T02:35:04Z")
I don’t trust the mental health of the person who’s opinion you are citing, elucidator. 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-is-this-what-we-can-expect-if-leftists-are-allowed-into-republican-events/297368.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-is-this-what-we-can-expect-if-leftists-are-allowed-into-republican-events/297368.md?page=7)