# So It Is That I Will Soon Become The Most Hated Member of The SDMB!! **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [November 29, 2005, 11:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-it-is-that-i-will-soon-become-the-most-hated-member-of-the-sdmb/333191 "2005-11-29T11:30:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2005, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-it-is-that-i-will-soon-become-the-most-hated-member-of-the-sdmb/333191/41 "2005-11-29T17:04:39Z")
> [@Kalhoun](#): > > I remember that one of the interviews was an older woman. I’m not sure if she was in the reserves or active duty or what. This was possibly 6 months to a year ago. There were people who were well into middle age being called up. I’m talking decades after their original service was completed. Sounds like they were officers or still in the reserves. If you stayed in the reserves, you should be shocked that one day your country might actually need you. It is not just a weekend get together with old friends. This is a major reason why I chose not to join the reserves when my time was up. Jim ---
**Author:** ![Kalhoun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3bc359/32.png) [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2005, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-it-is-that-i-will-soon-become-the-most-hated-member-of-the-sdmb/333191/42 "2005-11-29T17:10:31Z")
> [@jrfranchi](#): > > Sounds like they were officers or still in the reserves. > If you stayed in the reserves, you should be shocked that one day your country might actually need you. It is not just a weekend get together with old friends. This is a major reason why I chose not to join the reserves when my time was up. > > Jim As I recall the story, she did actually serve the first time (I think), but regardless…we’re talking a GRANDMOTHER who had lived a civilian life for decades before being called back. There’s something wrong with that. Reserves…who said it would be for life? Oh…that’s right. THEY did. ---
**Author:** ![Kalhoun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3bc359/32.png) [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2005, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-it-is-that-i-will-soon-become-the-most-hated-member-of-the-sdmb/333191/43 "2005-11-29T17:15:35Z")
Here’s the story I was referring to: [http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/12/03/60minutes/main658994.shtml?CMP=ILC-SearchStories](http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/12/03/60minutes/main658994.shtml?CMP=ILC-SearchStories) ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2005, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-it-is-that-i-will-soon-become-the-most-hated-member-of-the-sdmb/333191/44 "2005-11-29T17:19:23Z")
> [@Kalhoun](#): > > As I recall the story, she did actually serve the first time (I think), but regardless…we’re talking a GRANDMOTHER who had lived a civilian life for decades before being called back. There’s something wrong with that. Reserves…who said it would be for life? Oh…that’s right. THEY did. You only stay in the active reserves by choice. It is hard to argue over this without the details. If she was completely seperated from the service and not a Flag Officer, I did not know they could call her back up. If she had stayed in the reserves, then she should be surprised. According to \*\*Mr. Moto’s \*\* link, she was in the IRR. > [@](#): > > Like many Army officers, Mary signed up for eight years – four years active duty, and four years in the Ready Reserves. She received her discharge certificate in 1998, but she was called up this past June to serve as a transportation officer. > > “I called the Delay and Exemption Board. And the young lady that I talked to said that date [on my contract] meant nothing. That my new date is 2018,” says Mary. > > “I was in shock. I was like, ‘What do you mean? I have a piece of paper that tells me that that’s my obligation.’ And for them to just send me orders and disrupt my life and pull me back, it’s disheartening and I feel betrayed, I guess you could say. … The military is betraying me, because I served my time.” > > What Mary didn’t realize is that, as an officer, she remained in the Ready Reserve – even after her eight years were through – because she hadn’t resigned her commission as an officer. I have to agree, that stinks. They got her on a technicality. So it is not just flag officers but all officers. This is new to me. Jim ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2005, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-it-is-that-i-will-soon-become-the-most-hated-member-of-the-sdmb/333191/45 "2005-11-29T18:00:25Z")
I read the thread title and thought, “ **You’re going to be a telemarketer??** ” ---
**Author:** ![Kalhoun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3bc359/32.png) [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2005, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-it-is-that-i-will-soon-become-the-most-hated-member-of-the-sdmb/333191/46 "2005-11-29T18:22:08Z")
> [@jrfranchi](#): > > You only stay in the active reserves by choice. It is hard to argue over this without the details. If she was completely seperated from the service and not a Flag Officer, I did not know they could call her back up. If she had stayed in the reserves, then she should be surprised. > > According to \*\*Mr. Moto’s \*\* link, she was in the IRR. > > I have to agree, that stinks. They got her on a technicality. > > So it is not just flag officers but all officers. This is new to me. > > Jim Yes, it’s all perfectly legal…even if it is a technicality. But Jeezus…a 56-year old woman who isn’t any bigger than her rifle? It just reinforces how difficult it is to get people to fight a war that has no end. ---
**Author:** ![Ellen\_Cherry](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellen_cherry/32/3600_2.png) [@Ellen\_Cherry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ellen_Cherry)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2005, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-it-is-that-i-will-soon-become-the-most-hated-member-of-the-sdmb/333191/47 "2005-11-29T18:31:38Z")
Come see me while you’re in Kentucky, Bear dear. I’m just up the road! ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2005, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-it-is-that-i-will-soon-become-the-most-hated-member-of-the-sdmb/333191/48 "2005-11-29T19:45:40Z")
Well, no more weird stories about Korea anymore. Now it’s back to weird stories about redneck weddings. Welcome back to the homeland at any rate. ---
**Author:** ![Misnomer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/misnomer/32/14897_2.png) [@Misnomer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Misnomer)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2005, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-it-is-that-i-will-soon-become-the-most-hated-member-of-the-sdmb/333191/49 "2005-11-29T20:05:02Z")
So, what do you do between leaving Korea in February and reporting to Fort Jackson in June? Are reporting dates more like “at the very latest”? > [@Thudlow Boink](#): > > I read the thread title and thought, “ **You’re going to be a telemarketer??** ” Funny, I read the thread title and thought, “But you’ll still be one of the best-looking members!” 😉 (I know, I know: horribly inappropriate – and not particularly creative, at that. I apologize to **Bear\_Nenno** , and to everyone else in this thread. But it really _was_ the first thing I thought.) ---
**Author:** ![Snickers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@Snickers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snickers)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2005, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-it-is-that-i-will-soon-become-the-most-hated-member-of-the-sdmb/333191/50 "2005-11-29T20:49:20Z")
I’m sorry, **Bear**. And I’m doubly sorry that the Army will be transferring one who is skilled, intelligent, and _willing_ to a position that’s not the best match for your skills or interests. It’s too bad, really. Incidentally, thank you for your service, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2005, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-it-is-that-i-will-soon-become-the-most-hated-member-of-the-sdmb/333191/51 "2005-11-29T21:10:35Z")
At least you’ll be stateside. Of course you’ll be stationed to some economically depressed area. Hey, where in the heck is Miles? How does he feel about this? ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2005, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-it-is-that-i-will-soon-become-the-most-hated-member-of-the-sdmb/333191/52 "2005-11-29T21:30:51Z")
> [@Zebra](#): > > Of course you’ll be stationed to some economically depressed area. When I joined the Navy, the recruiting office was in a solidly middle class neighborhood of Pittsburgh, just a couple of blocks from where my aunt and uncle live. He headed up pharmacy services for a major medical center, and she was a teacher. They didn’t live in poverty, I can assure you. You can cling to your myths, though, if they’ll comfort you. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2005, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-it-is-that-i-will-soon-become-the-most-hated-member-of-the-sdmb/333191/53 "2005-11-29T21:34:17Z")
> [@Mr. Moto](#): > > When I joined the Navy, the recruiting office was in a solidly middle class neighborhood of Pittsburgh, just a couple of blocks from where my aunt and uncle live. > > He headed up pharmacy services for a major medical center, and she was a teacher. They didn’t live in poverty, I can assure you. > > You can cling to your myths, though, if they’ll comfort you. Ditto, my recruiter was right in Red Bank, NJ. A middle-class Office and Store town. There is a recruiting station right on Broadway, NYC. I don’t see why recruiting station would = economically depressed. ---
**Author:** ![Bear\_Nenno](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bear_nenno/32/3358_2.png) [@Bear\_Nenno](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bear_Nenno)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2005, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-it-is-that-i-will-soon-become-the-most-hated-member-of-the-sdmb/333191/54 "2005-11-29T22:29:11Z")
> [@Mr. Goob](#): > > What I don’t understand is why you are re-upping in January with two years left on your current hitch? Mainly two reasons. 1) I know I am going to reenlist for 5 more years _anyway_. 2) Know point in waiting to do it later, when I can use the $10,000 bonus _now_. 😉 **Misnomer** , that’s not inappropriate at all. Just a little suprising. I don’t think I’ve ever had a compliment on here like that. As for that date, yea it’s like a NLT date. My class is actually already scheduled for mid March. Then I will go to my new station about 2 or 3 months later. But I think I will take about a month of leave when I get back to the states, so that March class is going to have to be pushed back a little. **Zebra** , hopefully I will get the station I choose. If not, I possibly could end up in a small town or low income area. But maybe that will make my job of finding willing candidates a little easier, so I guess there’s always a positive side to look at. Oh, and Miles? He disappeared in Australia about a year ago. So sad. I think The Dingoes Ate My Monkey!!! ---
**Author:** ![Misnomer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/misnomer/32/14897_2.png) [@Misnomer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Misnomer)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2005, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-it-is-that-i-will-soon-become-the-most-hated-member-of-the-sdmb/333191/55 "2005-11-30T05:41:09Z")
> [@Bear\_Nenno](#): > > **Misnomer** , that’s not inappropriate at all. Just a little suprising. I don’t think I’ve ever had a compliment on here like that. Then I’m proud (though shocked) to be the first. 😉 > [@](#): > > As for that date, yea it’s like a NLT date. My class is actually already scheduled for mid March. Then I will go to my new station about 2 or 3 months later. > But I think I will take about a month of leave when I get back to the states, so that March class is going to have to be pushed back a little. Thanks for explaining. Glad you’ll be able to take some leave upon your return! ---
**Author:** ![Otanx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Otanx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otanx)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2005, 6:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-it-is-that-i-will-soon-become-the-most-hated-member-of-the-sdmb/333191/56 "2005-11-30T06:50:17Z")
Good luck with the recruiting **Bear**. As some people have already said, I have no problem with my recruiter. I came in wanting to join, and already knew the MOS I wanted. Filled out the forms, lost a few more lbs, and left. Just remember don’t ignore the recruits that have signed up, but not left for basic yet. Do PT with them, do some CTT training with them, show them how to do some D&C. That was one thing that helped me in basic. My recruiter’s office did PT sessions 3 times a week, and did some simple training on other days. Stuff like how to read a map, use a compass, how to evaluate a cassualty. When I got to basic, and they did that I had an understanding on what was going on. To the others, yes the Army sends you where they want, not where you want. Sometimes it is really stupid. My wife is trying to extend her stay in Korea. After having problems with her paperwork she ended up on orders back to the US. Other people in her company were getting involintarily extended here in Korea. She asked to be involentarily extended, and was told she couldn’t because “She wanted to extend.” :smack: Again good luck with the recruiting. It isn’t an easy job, but I am sure you will do well. -Otanx ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2005, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-it-is-that-i-will-soon-become-the-most-hated-member-of-the-sdmb/333191/57 "2005-11-30T16:16:22Z")
Hey **Mr. Moto** This is the correct way to disagree with someone here in MPSIMS > [@jrfranchi](#): > > Ditto, my recruiter was right in Red Bank, NJ. A middle-class Office and Store town. > There is a recruiting station right on Broadway, NYC. I don’t see why recruiting station would = economically depressed. And this is the wrong way. > [@Mr. Moto](#): > > When I joined the Navy, the recruiting office was in a solidly middle class neighborhood of Pittsburgh, just a couple of blocks from where my aunt and uncle live. > > He headed up pharmacy services for a major medical center, and she was a teacher. They didn’t live in poverty, I can assure you. > > You can cling to your myths, though, if they’ll comfort you. I’ll cling to my myths and you cling to yours. No matter what part of town his office will be located, he’ll be making trips to the other side of the tracks almost constantly. Like the guys in Times Square go up the HSs in the Bronx and Brooklyn. The upper east side, ummm not so much. **Bear\_Nemo** Friggin Dingos! ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2005, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-it-is-that-i-will-soon-become-the-most-hated-member-of-the-sdmb/333191/58 "2005-11-30T16:35:35Z")
> [@Zebra](#): > > …snip… > This is the correct way to disagree with someone here in MPSIMS > …snip… > No matter what part of town his office will be located, he’ll be making trips to the other side of the tracks almost constantly. > > Like the guys in Times Square go up the HSs in the Bronx and Brooklyn. The upper east side, ummm not so much…snip… Always nice to get positive feedback in a mild debate. Thank you. 🙂 As far as recruiters go my only experience was 6 days of HARP\* duty in the same Red Bank office that recruited me. We never went to a depressed area as most of Monmouth County is a mix of Lower Middle to Upper Middle. I even went to one of the Upper Middle Class High Schools to help recruit. So from my very small experience with recruiting, we recruit from all over but mainly relied on walk-ins and mailings. Jim - Hometown Area Recruiting Program ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2005, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-it-is-that-i-will-soon-become-the-most-hated-member-of-the-sdmb/333191/59 "2005-11-30T16:39:47Z")
When were you a recruiter? (just curious) ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2005, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-it-is-that-i-will-soon-become-the-most-hated-member-of-the-sdmb/333191/60 "2005-11-30T16:45:48Z")
Yep. And my HARP duty entailed going to a high school that served a middle to upper-middle income area, and also going to shopping malls and talking to teenagers in the food court. I didn’t go at any time to the Pittsburgh equivalent of the Bronx or Brooklyn, which would have been some of the mill towns in the Mon Valley. Not that recruitment didn’t happen there, mind, just that this office didn’t recruit there and I wasn’t going to be sent there to help recruit. The military recruits all over the place. It does not restrict its recruitment to economically depressed areas, which was your assertion, **Zebra**. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-it-is-that-i-will-soon-become-the-most-hated-member-of-the-sdmb/333191.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-it-is-that-i-will-soon-become-the-most-hated-member-of-the-sdmb/333191.md?page=4)