# So it's okay to call another poster "goddamn liar" in IHMO now? Was it always okay? **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [April 23, 2013, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-its-okay-to-call-another-poster-goddamn-liar-in-ihmo-now-was-it-always-okay/656472 "2013-04-23T04:26:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2013, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-its-okay-to-call-another-poster-goddamn-liar-in-ihmo-now-was-it-always-okay/656472/21 "2013-04-25T00:24:27Z")
Bump. > [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > Just so you know, the mods are discussing it. Are you guys still discussing this? Is it that complicated? The original thread, and offending post, are stale by now. You’re dealing with it by sticking your heads in the sand until it just fades away. Is this what’s left of civil discourse on the late lamented Straight Dope Message Board? ETA: > [@Anonymous User](#): > > But one question from the OP still remains, and it’s one that I have had for a while. > > Why is there not a rules sticky for IMHO? ALL the questions from the OP still remain. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2013, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-its-okay-to-call-another-poster-goddamn-liar-in-ihmo-now-was-it-always-okay/656472/22 "2013-04-25T00:36:09Z")
Yes, it was still being discussed. Not all mods always agree on every issue, as is the point with this case. Previously the “Do not accuse people of being liars” applied mostly for the sake of Great Debates. Outside of that, the clarification was less defined as it had never really come up before. But it’s been decided that, yes, “Liar” constitutes an insult and is not allowed in any forum but the Pit. The previous report about it was missed by the IMHO mods, although it came in several days after the post was made anyway. However even though it’s weeks old, it is not permissible and–from here on–names of “liar” will be modded. Please note that the usual “Attack the post and not the poster” suggestion applies here. If you feel someone is being misleading or fabricating things, feel free point out that the post/info is wrong rather than use the word “liar”. ---
**Author:** ![R3d\_Anonymous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/aeb1de/32.png) [@R3d\_Anonymous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/R3d_Anonymous)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2013, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-its-okay-to-call-another-poster-goddamn-liar-in-ihmo-now-was-it-always-okay/656472/23 "2013-04-25T00:42:52Z")
Well, accusing someone of lying or calling them a liar is against the rules in Great Debates, so I don’t see why it wouldn’t be in IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2013, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-its-okay-to-call-another-poster-goddamn-liar-in-ihmo-now-was-it-always-okay/656472/24 "2013-04-25T02:23:43Z")
> [@Anonymous User](#): > > Well, accusing someone of lying or calling them a liar is against the rules in Great Debates, so I don’t see why it wouldn’t be in IMHO. Well, yes, and furthermore: There’s that generic FAQ that lists the general board-wide rules (with specific exceptions as noted), and it says there also that direct insults are forbidden except in the Pit. I think it mentions specifically not to call someone a liar (I think). To all the Mods: So there was debate among you as to whether that was jerkish, insulting, and/or threadshitting? :rolleyes: Note, though, that my original OP in this thread mentioned a more general problem: There was a _whole lot_ of serious jerkism going on there, and a whole lot of nasty shouting-down of the original attempted discussion. (Setting aside any merits or lack thereof, of the original topic.) Did you guys review the last few pages? There was stuff like this (underlining added by me): > [@Men's Rights Movement may have a big future.](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mens-rights-movement-may-have-a-big-future/655049/341): > > \ > > I guess it’s hard to defend a hate movement built on distortions and falsehoods. Everything you post either doesn’t say what you claim, or can’t be cited, or isn’t evidence of institutional discrimination against men. Bleh, I’m done. I need a shower after talking to you. and like this: > [@Men's Rights Movement may have a big future.](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mens-rights-movement-may-have-a-big-future/655049/303): > > It’s likely a consequence of how Google’s personalized search algorithms work. It’s rigged in favor of steering you towards the same kinds of websites that you’ve clicked on in the past. When **(Name redacted)** searches for “feminism”, his top result is going to be a link to a gentleman’s website hosting the SCUM manifesto. Is that jerkish? Is that insulting? In the context of the thread, is that threadshitting? In that entire misogyny shit-storm, you guys did nothing to suggest that you would prevent this kind of stuff, nor resolve how you would intend to handle it in the future. I hope you mean to say now that you will find the right way to deal with this stuff now. Okay, I see you gave **(Name redacted)** a mod note. In a more perfect world, it should have been a warning, and maybe that’s how you will deal with it from now on. But I understand that the rule had somehow been ambiguous all along, and I hope you are clarifying it now. So a mod note. I guess. Gee, all that squabbling all week over Rule #1 didn’t obviously apply here? ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2013, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-its-okay-to-call-another-poster-goddamn-liar-in-ihmo-now-was-it-always-okay/656472/25 "2013-04-25T02:33:23Z")
Okay, here’s the generic board-wide rule on insults that I was thinking of: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=7697044&postcount=10](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=7697044&postcount=10) > [@](#): > > **Snippet of the above by C K Dexter Haven** > > **Are there any rules on insulting other posters?** > > Generally, you may not directly insult or personally attack other posters. The strictness of this rule varies a bit by forum, but the basic rule is that you should attack what the other person says, not the other person. This rule applies to all insults, including jokes and quotes from books & movies, as others may not get the joke. Using smilies (e.g., "You’re a jerk ") does not make insults okay. > > The only exception is the forum called The BBQ Pit, where flaming other posters is permitted, although even the Pit does have rules. Please read the Forum Rules for the BBQ Pit before posting there. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2013, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-its-okay-to-call-another-poster-goddamn-liar-in-ihmo-now-was-it-always-okay/656472/26 "2013-04-25T02:56:19Z")
Dude, no mentions of your pants being aflame were made. You can still have a full and happy life. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![ladyfoxfyre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ad7895/32.png) [@ladyfoxfyre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ladyfoxfyre)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2013, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-its-okay-to-call-another-poster-goddamn-liar-in-ihmo-now-was-it-always-okay/656472/27 "2013-04-25T03:01:18Z")
You are really prickled by this aren’t you, **Senegoid**. You really think the parts you highlighted in the posts above rise to the level of needing to be moderated? You refer vaguely to “this kind of stuff” without specifying what it actually is. Snark? Sarcasm? You’re concerned with overzealous moderation of misogyny but suddenly this is the level of moderator involvement you would prefer to see? I’m somewhat skeptical as to your sincerity here. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2013, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-its-okay-to-call-another-poster-goddamn-liar-in-ihmo-now-was-it-always-okay/656472/28 "2013-04-25T03:02:34Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > Okay, I see you gave **(Name redacted)** a mod note. In a more perfect world, it should have been a warning, and maybe that’s how you will deal with it from now on. But I understand that the rule had somehow been ambiguous all along, and I hope you are clarifying it now. So a mod note. I guess. Gee, all that squabbling all week over Rule #1 didn’t obviously apply here? Will you please quit (Name redacting)? It’s a pain in the ass to look up, and it’s not hiding anything–it’s right there in the thread, I just have to search for it which is irritating. It’s not like you’re dealing with an off-board or private issue. I’m mostly on your side on this issue, but damn, the (name redacted) thing is annoying. I, (name redacted) thank you. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2013, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-its-okay-to-call-another-poster-goddamn-liar-in-ihmo-now-was-it-always-okay/656472/29 "2013-04-25T03:16:54Z")
Why don’t you two shake hands, then politely ignore each other down the road? ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2013, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-its-okay-to-call-another-poster-goddamn-liar-in-ihmo-now-was-it-always-okay/656472/30 "2013-04-25T03:17:35Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > Will you please quit (Name redacting)? It’s a pain in the ass to look up, and it’s not hiding anything–it’s right there in the thread, I just have to search for it which is irritating. It’s not like you’re dealing with an off-board or private issue. > > I’m mostly on your side on this issue, but damn, the (name redacted) thing is annoying. > > I, (name redacted) thank you. 😉 That’s **(Name redacted)** in **bold face** if you please. 😉 It’s ONE mouse click (maybe two depending on your browser setup). I’ve been doing it in this thread to protect the guilty, kind of in a similar sense to the “two-click rule”: I’m bitching about specific things that specific people are doing, but I’m trying to do those people at least the courtesy of not putting their user names right out there in everybody’s face in the same post. So I’m forcing anyone who wants to know their names, to have to do an overt extra click or two to find out. Note that you haven’t seen me doing this as a general habit when I quote. The people in question know who they are, as the post just before yours demonstrates. tl;dr: **(Name redacted)**, go back to GiraffeBoards. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2013, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-its-okay-to-call-another-poster-goddamn-liar-in-ihmo-now-was-it-always-okay/656472/31 "2013-04-25T03:19:49Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > Why don’t you two shake hands, then politely ignore each other down the road? Are you talking about me and **Fenris** or me and **ladyfoxfyre**? If the former, note that we addressed each other with liberal sprinklings of 😉 (ETA: as did you also, I see). This prevents us from chewing each other’s faces off. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2013, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-its-okay-to-call-another-poster-goddamn-liar-in-ihmo-now-was-it-always-okay/656472/32 "2013-04-25T03:21:22Z")
So we all cool then? ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2013, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-its-okay-to-call-another-poster-goddamn-liar-in-ihmo-now-was-it-always-okay/656472/33 "2013-04-25T03:46:45Z")
> [@ladyfoxfyre](#): > > You are really prickled by this aren’t you, **Senegoid**. You really think the parts you highlighted in the posts above rise to the level of needing to be moderated? You refer vaguely to “this kind of stuff” without specifying what it actually is. Snark? Sarcasm? You’re concerned with overzealous moderation of misogyny but suddenly this is the level of moderator involvement you would prefer to see? I’m somewhat skeptical as to your sincerity here. Lemme try to address this calmly. Yes, I’m prickled. They were trying to discuss men’s issues, admittedly at controversial flash-point topic in these climes. And I understand that there were some disputes about what certain linked articles actually were saying. I made clear that I’m not addressing the merits of that here. The people I complained about above, and some others, I felt were threadshitting that discussion. (I know I’m not supposed to say that here, but you asked.) The parts I quoted (as examples), and especially the parts I underlined, I thought smelt of flame wars. My complaint about misogyny vs. misandry moderation were only tangentially touched upon in the whole misogyny wars this week, and not addressed further as they need to be. The complaint lies in the hypocrisy of _heavily_ moderating any perceived misogyny, even to the silly extents that (e.g.) **Happy Lendervedder** ’s and **April R** mild sex snark/sarcasm were modded in the Sorority Drama Queen thread, and in one of the ATMB threads we learned that we can’t use the word “hysterical” any more. That’s petty and silly. Boob pix requests? Fair enough to complain about that, especially in the medical info thread. (Did that finally get modded? I wasn’t following that thread.) While, on the other hand, **CCitizen** , **Ibanez** , **blindboyard** and others were trying to discuss their men’s issues and were getting flamed out for it, to the extent of calling MRM a “hate movement built on distortions and falsehoods”, and **bb** was implied to be spending his time on “a gentleman’s website hosting the SCUM manifesto.” The whole MRM topic may be controversial, but I didn’t think any of them used any kind of inflammatory language that warranted responses like that. So my complaint is, first, that these kinds of flames were being posted (and I think there was similar inflammatory language sprinkled throughout the whole misogyny flame wars this week); and second, that the moderators weren’t doing anything about it (but I’m okay with some of that in ATMB because it dealt with ATMB issues and couldn’t go in the Pit where it otherwise belonged, and the mods were allowing a lot of pressure venting there). And yes, I’m prickled, even though I only participated slightly and somewhat tangentially in all those threads. Why? Because everything I’ve said here all leads me to understand that I mustn’t dare discuss my own men’s issues here on SDMB (I’ve only hinted sporadically about them over the last year or so), lest I get flamed too, as I’ve seen happen to others with mathematical regularity here. You see misogyny everywhere you look, but a lot of men see male-hostile and misandry too, in real life, and on SDMB too. ETA: And I’m prickled too (I think a better word could be found than prickled here), that _every_ mens’ issue gets flamed with “Oh, another guy not getting his daily dose of pussy.” That’s (usually) an insult and (usually) a threadshit. Here’s one from the thread in question: > [@Men's Rights Movement may have a big future.](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mens-rights-movement-may-have-a-big-future/655049/20): > > That’s exactly what I was thinking. Seems like every book or website devoted to men’s rights devotes half the text to complaints about custody and financial support after divorce, and half to complaints about being denied a rightful proportion of pussy guaranteed by our constitution or some blather. Seriously reduces the legitimacy of the entire campaign. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2013, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-its-okay-to-call-another-poster-goddamn-liar-in-ihmo-now-was-it-always-okay/656472/34 "2013-04-25T03:51:29Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > So we all cool then? What **lieu** said. (Post #14 above.) 😉 ---
**Author:** ![CCitizen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4af34b/32.png) [@CCitizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CCitizen)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2013, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-its-okay-to-call-another-poster-goddamn-liar-in-ihmo-now-was-it-always-okay/656472/35 "2013-04-25T04:18:27Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > While, on the other hand, **CCitizen** , **Ibanez** , **blindboyard** and others were trying to discuss their men’s issues and were getting flamed out for it, to the extent of calling MRM a “hate movement built on distortions and falsehoods”, and **bb** was implied to be spending his time on “a gentleman’s website hosting the SCUM manifesto.” The whole MRM topic may be controversial, but I didn’t think any of them used any kind of inflammatory language that warranted responses like that. > > So my complaint is, first, that these kinds of flames were being posted (and I think there was similar inflammatory language sprinkled throughout the whole misogyny flame wars this week); and second, that the moderators weren’t doing anything about it (but I’m okay with some of that in ATMB because it dealt with ATMB issues and couldn’t go in the Pit where it otherwise belonged, and the mods were allowing a lot of pressure venting there). > > And yes, I’m prickled, even though I only participated slightly and somewhat tangentially in all those threads. Why? Because everything I’ve said here all leads me to understand that I mustn’t dare discuss my own men’s issues here on SDMB (I’ve only hinted sporadically about them over the last year or so), lest I get flamed too, as I’ve seen happen to others with mathematical regularity here. You see misogyny everywhere you look, but a lot of men see male-hostile and misandry too, in real life, and on SDMB too. > > ETA: And I’m prickled too (I think a better word could be found than prickled here), that _every_ mens’ issue gets flamed with “Oh, another guy not getting his daily dose of pussy.” That’s (usually) an insult and (usually) a threadshit. Thank you very much. The abuse was really uncalled for. As long as there is Freedom of Speech and Social Networks such as forums, these issues will be discussed – even if mere mention of them offends many. I understand that a forum is private property and has a right to ban any opinion (Freedom of Assembly). ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2013, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-its-okay-to-call-another-poster-goddamn-liar-in-ihmo-now-was-it-always-okay/656472/36 "2013-04-25T05:18:56Z")
> [@ladyfoxfyre](#): > > You are really prickled by this aren’t you, **Senegoid**. You really think the parts you highlighted in the posts above rise to the level of needing to be moderated? You refer vaguely to “this kind of stuff” without specifying what it actually is. Snark? Sarcasm? You’re concerned with overzealous moderation of misogyny but suddenly this is the level of moderator involvement you would prefer to see? I’m somewhat skeptical as to your sincerity here. I feel that the perceptions in this comment are miscalibrated. Calling a claim false is one thing: calling a person a liar is a statement about the person, not the claim. It therefore constitutes a hijack and an insult. ## And frankly, to me at least, it is a rather high octane insult. I admit this isn’t the case for everyone. ## I part company on Senegoid on whether this merits a warning or a mod note: I’m agnostic on that. I also didn’t think the SCUM manifesto comment was bad (it certainly was informative, setting aside the hyperbole), though the other ones were of the sort that should have been toned down. IMHO. ETA: Heh. Just read the thread title of the linked threads. IHMO mockery is more effective than antagonism and has the side effect of keeping one within the bounds of the rules. YMMV, IMHO, etc. etc. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2013, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-its-okay-to-call-another-poster-goddamn-liar-in-ihmo-now-was-it-always-okay/656472/37 "2013-04-25T05:32:10Z")
nm ---
**Author:** ![ladyfoxfyre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ad7895/32.png) [@ladyfoxfyre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ladyfoxfyre)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2013, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-its-okay-to-call-another-poster-goddamn-liar-in-ihmo-now-was-it-always-okay/656472/38 "2013-04-25T13:34:51Z")
So, just out of curiosity, as you were reviewing that thread for infractions did you happen to stumble upon the following section as far as “being a jerk” or threadshitting, or just the comments from the women who were participating? > [@Men's Rights Movement may have a big future.](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mens-rights-movement-may-have-a-big-future/655049/326): > > I’m posting these links on men’s issues as they arise for other people to read, not for you and others like you here on the SD who are so entrenched in their position it’ll never change for one reason or another anyways , \*\*maybe it’s because you spent so much money and time earning that women’s studies degree and what I and others are bringing forward gets you all cranky. > > Sorry I know it sucks , maybe you should of taken a trade instead.\*\* Snarky? Threadshitting? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2013, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-its-okay-to-call-another-poster-goddamn-liar-in-ihmo-now-was-it-always-okay/656472/39 "2013-04-25T13:34:56Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > Are you guys still discussing this? Is it that complicated? > > The original thread, and offending post, are stale by now. You’re dealing with it by sticking your heads in the sand until it just fades away. Is this what’s left of civil discourse on the late lamented Straight Dope Message Board? **Senegoid** , you’re out of line here. If you don’t think the staff can moderate posts and discuss the rules in good faith, don’t bother asking us about them. The post was already “stale” when you opened this thread. I don’t know when you sent your thread report, but it was five days old when you started this discussion and it’s now more than a week old. **Idle Thoughts** posted a mod note in the thread in response to this discussion, but we practically never mod posts that are that old- there’s not much point because the conversation has typically moved on by then. > [@Senegoid](#): > > So there was debate among you as to whether that was jerkish, insulting, and/or threadshitting? :rolleyes: No. There was a debate about whether accusations of lying are against the rules in all forums. In the interest of full disclosure I initially said no, and that that was only against the rules in Great Debates. After a couple of emails I agreed that’s it’s not allowed because it’s an attack on the poster rather than the post. I did add that the post struck me as a personal attack even if the accusation of lying hadn’t been in there. > [@](#): > > Did you guys review the last few pages? No, because that’s not what you asked us about. > [@](#): > > In that entire misogyny shit-storm, you guys did nothing to suggest that you would prevent this kind of stuff I have to disagree there (not that I see the connection between that discussion and this one). > [@](#): > > But I understand that the rule had somehow been ambiguous all along, and I hope you are clarifying it now. I think we’re all on the same page now, yes. > [@](#): > > Gee, all that squabbling all week over Rule #1 didn’t obviously apply here? Again, different issue. The devil’s always in the details. Anyway I hope you found the discussion and explanation satisfactory and that next time maybe you’ll take our word when we say we’re discussing an issue. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2013, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-its-okay-to-call-another-poster-goddamn-liar-in-ihmo-now-was-it-always-okay/656472/40 "2013-04-25T16:07:52Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > No. There was a debate about whether accusations of lying are against the rules in all forums. There was a debate as to whether or not “you’re a goddamned liar” or “I need a shower after talking to you” was an insult or not? Seriously? Regards, Shodan [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-its-okay-to-call-another-poster-goddamn-liar-in-ihmo-now-was-it-always-okay/656472.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-its-okay-to-call-another-poster-goddamn-liar-in-ihmo-now-was-it-always-okay/656472.md?page=3)