# So it's okay to call another poster "goddamn liar" in IHMO now? Was it always okay? **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [April 23, 2013, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-its-okay-to-call-another-poster-goddamn-liar-in-ihmo-now-was-it-always-okay/656472 "2013-04-23T04:26:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-its-okay-to-call-another-poster-goddamn-liar-in-ihmo-now-was-it-always-okay/656472/61 "2013-04-26T17:06:03Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > And **pseudotriton ruber ruber** got that final warning after many years of dickish behavior and petty complaints. You’re not nearly on that level, and I hope you’re not planning to get there. 😛 Nonetheless, my better judgment tells me to STFU and butt out at this point in this discussion, and say little-to-none more about it. Thank you **Marley23** (kinda sorta, partly, as I said before) for your responses so far. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-its-okay-to-call-another-poster-goddamn-liar-in-ihmo-now-was-it-always-okay/656472/62 "2013-04-26T17:06:55Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > I really really had to sit on my hands to restrain myself from suggesting exactly this, although I’ve been thinking of it. > > And if I (or anyone) really begin to report these things timely and regularly, every time I (or anyone) see it, I really really think I already know what will happen. Yeah, well, we don’t cotton much to intuition around these parts: we’re all about the evidence. FWIW, I agree that the posts that bugged you were way out of line, and I’ve reported similar things in the past. As such, I’m bewildered why you sat on your hands instead of suggesting exactly this–or, better yet, doing exactly this. Did you see those offending posts when they occurred? If so, why on earth didn’t you report them then? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-its-okay-to-call-another-poster-goddamn-liar-in-ihmo-now-was-it-always-okay/656472/63 "2013-04-26T17:14:29Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > And if I (or anyone) really begin to report these things timely and regularly, every time I (or anyone) see it, I really really think I already know what will happen. I _could_ be wrong about what I think will happen, but if I’m not wrong, it won’t end well. So I sit on my hands, mostly. I don’t know what you are expecting or why you’re expecting whatever it is, but we always ask people to report posts if they think they see a rules violation. That’s the best way to get it dealt with. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-its-okay-to-call-another-poster-goddamn-liar-in-ihmo-now-was-it-always-okay/656472/64 "2013-04-26T19:19:19Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Yeah, well, we don’t cotton much to intuition around these parts: we’re all about the evidence. > > \< snip . . . \> > > Did you see those offending posts when they occurred? If so, why on earth didn’t you report them then? > [@Marley23](#): > > I don’t know what you are expecting or why you’re expecting whatever it is, but we always ask people to report posts if they think they see a rules violation. That’s the best way to get it dealt with. Do you want a response to this, at this point? Given **Marley23** ’s earlier statement “ **Senegoid** , you’re out of line here”, which hasn’t exactly been retracted, do I have permission to continue with this? (Need answer fast! Lest it just get stale in the meantime, you know. 🙂 ) If yes, then give me a while, like until this evening maybe. I would need some time to compose a clear response, and to gather the requisite evidence (cites and quotes). ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-its-okay-to-call-another-poster-goddamn-liar-in-ihmo-now-was-it-always-okay/656472/65 "2013-04-26T19:30:00Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > Do you want a response to this, at this point? Given **Marley23** ’s earlier statement “ **Senegoid** , you’re out of line here”, which hasn’t exactly been retracted, do I have permission to continue with this? (Need answer fast! Lest it just get stale in the meantime, you know. 🙂 ) The “out of line part,” if it was not clear, was the accusation that the mods were dragging their feet and trying to make you give up when we were busy sending emails around and trying to give a thorough answer to your questions. Discussing this issue is not out of line or else I wouldn’t be discussing it with you. I am not sure what your last post was about, but if you are concerned that you would somehow be labeled a troublemaker or that the mods would get annoyed with you if you started reporting posts, please don’t worry. It doesn’t work that way. ---
**Author:** ![R3d\_Anonymous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/aeb1de/32.png) [@R3d\_Anonymous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/R3d_Anonymous)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-its-okay-to-call-another-poster-goddamn-liar-in-ihmo-now-was-it-always-okay/656472/66 "2013-04-26T19:54:53Z")
Since my question in this thread has _still_ not been addressed, I will ask _again_. Why is there not a rules and information sticky for IMHO? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-its-okay-to-call-another-poster-goddamn-liar-in-ihmo-now-was-it-always-okay/656472/67 "2013-04-26T19:56:29Z")
> [@Anonymous User](#): > > Why is there not a rules and information sticky for IMHO? Because the mods don’t think it needs one. I think there was one for a time, when polls had just recently been activated. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-its-okay-to-call-another-poster-goddamn-liar-in-ihmo-now-was-it-always-okay/656472/68 "2013-04-26T20:44:14Z")
The username **Goddamned Liar** does not appear to be in use. I assume it would be ok to call such a member Goddamned Liar, correct? And would it be an acceptable username? ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-its-okay-to-call-another-poster-goddamn-liar-in-ihmo-now-was-it-always-okay/656472/69 "2013-04-26T20:45:11Z")
This just in . . . See where it all leads? Brand new thread here in ATMB [that has it all](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=689271)! **ladyfoxfyre**! (Right up front at Post #2!) Snark about private body parts! (Post #4!) The guy saying something about a boner! (Post #7!) Guy demanding pics! (Post #13!) Guy demanding BOOB pics! (Post #14!) (At least, I assume it’s a guy.) By this post, hereby reported! The whole skeevy lot of them! ---
**Author:** ![ladyfoxfyre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ad7895/32.png) [@ladyfoxfyre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ladyfoxfyre)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-its-okay-to-call-another-poster-goddamn-liar-in-ihmo-now-was-it-always-okay/656472/70 "2013-04-26T21:01:03Z")
What the hell was wrong with my post in that thread? I think you need to chill out. You know, I think this constant snarking about what you’re “going to report now that the rules have changed” is really insulting to the people who had real concerns and were bringing them up in earnest. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-its-okay-to-call-another-poster-goddamn-liar-in-ihmo-now-was-it-always-okay/656472/71 "2013-04-26T21:10:32Z")
> [@ladyfoxfyre](#): > > What the hell was wrong with my post in that thread? I think you need to chill out. I’m pretty sure that was a joke. ---
**Author:** ![ladyfoxfyre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ad7895/32.png) [@ladyfoxfyre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ladyfoxfyre)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-its-okay-to-call-another-poster-goddamn-liar-in-ihmo-now-was-it-always-okay/656472/72 "2013-04-26T21:15:24Z")
With how the past couple of weeks have gone around here, I honestly can’t even tell anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-its-okay-to-call-another-poster-goddamn-liar-in-ihmo-now-was-it-always-okay/656472/73 "2013-04-26T21:29:08Z")
**Marley23** , are you also pretty sure that the whole afore-referenced thread was a joke? I hope so. The whole thread so far (well most of it) looks like a light-hearted discussion, right here in ATMB. And nobody, not even **(name redacted)** complained about any of it yet (that I know of). Not even the guy who mentioned “female”, “bitch”, and “boobs” all in the same sentence. I _think_ most observers would recognize and appreciate a bit of levity in these latitudes. Not so Poster #2 (as best I can tell), who seemed not to be amused. And _clearly_ isn’t amused by my post just above. Yeah, as a matter of fact that was joke too. (What, the guy can joke now about boob pix, given that the subject matter is _dogs_, but nobody else can make a joke about the guy who made a joke about boob pix in the thread about dogs?) And here, **(name redacted)** and I actually exchanged a few civil comments with each other earlier in this thread. Whoda thunk it? I think that the above post by **(name redacted)** pretty much proves a whole lot. Can the mods figure out what I mean by _that_ remark? Hint: For one thing, it seems to answer (in part) what I think will go down if I start reporting the things that **Marley23** and **LHoD** suggested I should report. Reported (soon, as fast as I can type it up). ---
**Author:** ![Troppus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a587f6/32.png) [@Troppus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troppus)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-its-okay-to-call-another-poster-goddamn-liar-in-ihmo-now-was-it-always-okay/656472/74 "2013-04-26T21:44:22Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > Personally, related specifically to this, I’m seriously PO’d that ALL men’s issues are met with the standard “Look who isn’t getting his daily pussy” meme. You see misogyny with every “Boob Pix” snark, but I see serious misandry with every shitty mention of that old Vitamin P trope. There can be utterly no discussion of men’s issues without this coming up. (Go ahead . . . I’m waiting for it . . . ) **Senegoid** , many of the MRA sites and authors are guilty of complaining about exactly this. If an MRA activist here quotes Warren Farrell, for instance, why shouldn’t I reply with an [absurdly inflammatory quote from him?](http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Warren_Farrell) And you seem to be under the impression that it is only a few of the feminist posters here on the SDMB who find aspects of the MRM transparent. Haven’t you encountered the same derision [elsewhere on the internet](http://www.cracked.com/funny-8503-mens-rights/)for the very same reasons? There is a reason why legitimate legal concerns about inequality between the sexes gets buried under a pile of derision and it isn’t the fault of the outside observer. The loudest voices of the MRM (Looking at you, Reddit) are often those men who are bitterly lashing out against women who they perceive as withholding sex or holding too much power with regards to sex and relationships. If the problems of inquality in cases of divorce, custody, and jail sentences can be illustrated without bringing up all the other unsavory aspects of the MRM, start a thread and I’m certain you’ll get respectful replies and even-handed moderation. But the minute some novice pipes in with a Farrell quote or a complaint about mixed signals or dating services, the conversation is bound to deteriorate. What do you expect to be done to prevent that? ---
**Author:** ![ladyfoxfyre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ad7895/32.png) [@ladyfoxfyre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ladyfoxfyre)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-its-okay-to-call-another-poster-goddamn-liar-in-ihmo-now-was-it-always-okay/656472/75 "2013-04-26T21:49:48Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > **Marley23** , are you also pretty sure that the whole afore-referenced thread was a joke? I hope so. The whole thread so far (well most of it) looks like a light-hearted discussion, right here in ATMB. And nobody, not even **(name redacted)** complained about any of it yet (that I know of). Not even the guy who mentioned “female”, “bitch”, and “boobs” all in the same sentence. I _think_ most observers would recognize and appreciate a bit of levity in these latitudes. > > Not so Poster #2 (as best I can tell), who seemed not to be amused. And _clearly_ isn’t amused by my post just above. Yeah, as a matter of fact that was joke too. > > (What, the guy can joke now about boob pix, given that the subject matter is _dogs_, but nobody else can make a joke about the guy who made a joke about boob pix in the thread about dogs?) > > And here, **(name redacted)** and I actually exchanged a few civil comments with each other earlier in this thread. Whoda thunk it? > > I think that the above post by **(name redacted)** pretty much proves a whole lot. Can the mods figure out what I mean by _that_ remark? Hint: For one thing, it seems to answer (in part) what I think will go down if I start reporting the things that **Marley23** and **LHoD** suggested I should report. > > Reported (soon, as fast as I can type it up). Can you please stop? You aren’t even trying to have a conversation anymore, it seems. Just throwing these (name redacted) things around is not conducive to a discussion about moderator actions. And continuing with the “reported” nonsense doesn’t seem very honest either. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-its-okay-to-call-another-poster-goddamn-liar-in-ihmo-now-was-it-always-okay/656472/76 "2013-04-26T21:52:00Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > **Marley23** , are you also pretty sure that the whole afore-referenced thread was a joke? Yes. > [@](#): > > And nobody, not even **(name redacted)** complained about any of it yet (that I know of). You can stop with the “name redacted.” It doesn’t accomplish anything. > [@](#): > > And here, **(name redacted)** and I actually exchanged a few civil comments with each other earlier in this thread. Whoda thunk it? See above. If you insult someone and it’s obvious who you are talking about - as it is here, although there is no insult - saying “name redacted” won’t get you out of a warning/mod note. > [@](#): > > Can the mods figure out what I mean by _that_ remark? No. > [@](#): > > For one thing, it seems to answer (in part) what I think will go down if I start reporting the things that **Marley23** and **LHoD** suggested I should report. What? ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-its-okay-to-call-another-poster-goddamn-liar-in-ihmo-now-was-it-always-okay/656472/77 "2013-04-26T22:22:32Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > **Marley23** , are you also pretty sure that the whole afore-referenced thread was a joke? I hope so. The whole thread so far (well most of it) looks like a light-hearted discussion, right here in ATMB. And nobody, not even **(name redacted)** complained about any of it yet (that I know of). Not even the guy who mentioned “female”, “bitch”, and “boobs” all in the same sentence. I _think_ most observers would recognize and appreciate a bit of levity in these latitudes. > > Not so Poster #2 (as best I can tell), who seemed not to be amused. And _clearly_ isn’t amused by my post just above. Yeah, as a matter of fact that was joke too. > > (What, the guy can joke now about boob pix, given that the subject matter is _dogs_, but nobody else can make a joke about the guy who made a joke about boob pix in the thread about dogs?) > > And here, **(name redacted)** and I actually exchanged a few civil comments with each other earlier in this thread. Whoda thunk it? > > I think that the above post by **(name redacted)** pretty much proves a whole lot. Can the mods figure out what I mean by _that_ remark? Hint: For one thing, it seems to answer (in part) what I think will go down if I start reporting the things that **Marley23** and **LHoD** suggested I should report. > > Reported (soon, as fast as I can type it up). At this point it looks like you’re trolling rather than trying to have a serious discussion about rules and about reporting posts. I strongly suggest you stop. As far as I know, no one has suffered any consequences from reporting a post. You’re not going to be warned or banned for a report, assuming it’s not abusive. Now some thread reports may get a :dubious:, but that’s about it. If you see a post you consider a problem, report it. If the moderator agrees, action will be taken. If not, no action will be taken. (Admittedly every once in a while a report of a problem may be missed, but that’s unusual.) If you see nothing has been done and you feel it’s important, the best way to get a response is to email or PM the forum moderators. In such cases, if I haven’t taken action on a report I will explain why. ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-its-okay-to-call-another-poster-goddamn-liar-in-ihmo-now-was-it-always-okay/656472/78 "2013-04-26T22:28:42Z")
> [@DiosaBellissima](#): > > Fair. Let’s say I quote the section of their post that is clearly a lie and say, “This is a lie.” That’s cool? But not, “This is a lie and you know it,” right? I would avoid the word “lie”. That word has inherent in it the assumption of the intent of the person making the statement. It suggests the person making the statement is being deliberate in the falsehood. Better to stick with “that is false” or “you are mistaken” or “that’s not right”. No inherent assumption of the author’s intent. If the point truly is that the person is deliberately making a falsehood, then I would hope you really have your evidence in hand. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-its-okay-to-call-another-poster-goddamn-liar-in-ihmo-now-was-it-always-okay/656472/79 "2013-04-26T22:47:59Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > At this point it looks like you’re trolling rather than trying to have a serious discussion about rules and about reporting posts. I strongly suggest you stop. > > As far as I know, no one has suffered any consequences from reporting a post. You’re not going to be warned or banned for a report, assuming it’s not abusive. Now some thread reports may get a :dubious:, but that’s about it. > > If you see a post you consider a problem, report it. If the moderator agrees, action will be taken. If not, no action will be taken. (Admittedly every once in a while a report of a problem may be missed, but that’s unusual.) If you see nothing has been done and you feel it’s important, the best way to get a response is to email or PM the forum moderators. In such cases, if I haven’t taken action on a report I will explain why. I did report, and I’m in the process of composing a (civil, I think) response to **Marley23** last post. A “serious discussion” even, I hope. So I am awaiting a response to the report, but I’m also about to post my (civil, I think) response to **Marley23**. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-its-okay-to-call-another-poster-goddamn-liar-in-ihmo-now-was-it-always-okay/656472/80 "2013-04-26T22:50:00Z")
I’m not sure what post you reported or what the issue is, but just to confirm, I don’t get thread reports in ATMB. Or IMHO, for that matter. So you may have to wait a while and see how the mods of the relevant forum weigh in. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-its-okay-to-call-another-poster-goddamn-liar-in-ihmo-now-was-it-always-okay/656472.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-its-okay-to-call-another-poster-goddamn-liar-in-ihmo-now-was-it-always-okay/656472.md?page=5)