# So I've found the SECOND most addicting game to exist on the internet. No, really. **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 14, 2016, 7:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-found-the-second-most-addicting-game-to-exist-on-the-internet-no-really/765917 "2016-09-14T07:22:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Telperion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telperion/32/509_2.png) [@Telperion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telperion)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-found-the-second-most-addicting-game-to-exist-on-the-internet-no-really/765917/61 "2016-09-28T18:59:40Z")
You may also need to specialize perks to take on different challenges, such as for Size you’ll want Trumps as high as you can get to make sure you can increase Coordination. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-found-the-second-most-addicting-game-to-exist-on-the-internet-no-really/765917/62 "2016-09-28T19:02:04Z")
> [@Arcite](#): > > OK, I’ve been playing this for about a week and have portaled twice. Sorry if I’m missing something obvious here, but what exactly does “respec” mean? The game doesn’t tell you, and the wiki doesn’t either. It seems like it just assumes the player knows, but as far as I can tell from context, it means resetting your perks to zero. But why would I want to do that? Perks are more powerful; what good would it do me to reduce them? You get all your helium points back to spend again, if you do this while portalling, you also get your accumulated points from this run. You can do this once per portal. ---
**Author:** ![Arcite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/67e7ee/32.png) [@Arcite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arcite)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-found-the-second-most-addicting-game-to-exist-on-the-internet-no-really/765917/63 "2016-09-28T22:39:04Z")
> [@Telperion](#): > > You may also need to specialize perks to take on different challenges, such as for Size you’ll want Trumps as high as you can get to make sure you can increase Coordination. Makes sense. I hadn’t thought you would get the helium back, and as I mentioned, neither the game nor the wiki tells you. Though I also posted about this on Reddit, and someone who maintains the wiki updated the article, so now it does tell you. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-found-the-second-most-addicting-game-to-exist-on-the-internet-no-really/765917/64 "2016-09-28T22:50:55Z")
> [@Arcite](#): > > Makes sense. I hadn’t thought you would get the helium back, and as I mentioned, neither the game nor the wiki tells you. Though I also posted about this on Reddit, and someone who maintains the wiki updated the article, so now it does tell you. The assumption I had from what I had gathered was that you got all your helium back, but you could only do it once, ever, as it said “per run” and everything else that talked about a soft reset said “per portal.” I was incorrect in this assumption, and lost out on many respeccing opportunities in my first few runs. If you haven’t respecced yet on a run, you may want to towards the end to try to tweak out a couple more zones. You should gain enough helium to put back anything that speeds things up in the early zones. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-found-the-second-most-addicting-game-to-exist-on-the-internet-no-really/765917/65 "2016-09-28T23:42:48Z")
My awkward confession: On my second run, I was around zone 20 and trying to figure out why the hell I hadn’t found the shield upgrade from hitpoints-\>blocking. I had to go to the wiki to figure out that you get it from running the first unique map you find. ---
**Author:** ![Arcite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/67e7ee/32.png) [@Arcite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arcite)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2016, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-found-the-second-most-addicting-game-to-exist-on-the-internet-no-really/765917/66 "2016-09-29T01:21:13Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > If you haven’t respecced yet on a run, you may want to towards the end to try to tweak out a couple more zones. You should gain enough helium to put back anything that speeds things up in the early zones. But if you respec in mid-run, can you spend helium then and there on perks? I was under the impression the only time you can spend helium and get perks is when you portal. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2016, 7:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-found-the-second-most-addicting-game-to-exist-on-the-internet-no-really/765917/67 "2016-09-29T07:24:54Z")
> [@Arcite](#): > > But if you respec in mid-run, can you spend helium then and there on perks? Sure can. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2016, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-found-the-second-most-addicting-game-to-exist-on-the-internet-no-really/765917/68 "2016-09-29T13:03:45Z")
> [@Arcite](#): > > But if you respec in mid-run, can you spend helium then and there on perks? I was under the impression the only time you can spend helium and get perks is when you portal. You can spend all the helium that you have gathered on previous runs. I am pretty sure you don’t get to spend the helium you have gotten so far this run. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2016, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-found-the-second-most-addicting-game-to-exist-on-the-internet-no-really/765917/69 "2016-09-29T20:14:17Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > You can spend all the helium that you have gathered on previous runs. I am pretty sure you don’t get to spend the helium you have gotten so far this run. Ah yeah, should have clarified that. If you get a new perk (i.e. through completing a challenge), you can respec in order to spend points on that. But you only get to spend the helium you had when you started the run. Correct that the newly-earned helium only carries over to the next run. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2016, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-found-the-second-most-addicting-game-to-exist-on-the-internet-no-really/765917/70 "2016-09-30T12:46:56Z")
I still haven’t figured out how to get past zone 25. I get a snarky “Ooh, you’re such a rebel” message and the zone repeats. Has anybody done it? ---
**Author:** ![Telperion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telperion/32/509_2.png) [@Telperion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telperion)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2016, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-found-the-second-most-addicting-game-to-exist-on-the-internet-no-really/765917/71 "2016-09-30T12:58:45Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > I still haven’t figured out how to get past zone 25. I get a snarky “Ooh, you’re such a rebel” message and the zone repeats. Has anybody done it? I’ve never even seen that. Maybe you need to finish the Dimension of Anger first? ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2016, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-found-the-second-most-addicting-game-to-exist-on-the-internet-no-really/765917/72 "2016-09-30T14:33:08Z")
Still slogging along on the Metal challenge. It started getting slow around zone 12 or 13. Making progress though. On zone 17 now. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2016, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-found-the-second-most-addicting-game-to-exist-on-the-internet-no-really/765917/73 "2016-09-30T18:29:04Z")
> [@Telperion](#): > > I’ve never even seen that. Maybe you need to finish the Dimension of Anger first? I purposely avoided Anger so I could see what happens when I don’t go that route. Got stuck in repeat 25 mode, so I finished Anger and got the reset. Some folks here are talking about working the Size challenge, which you can’t reach until level 35. Maybe I’m confusing zone with level, but I don’t see that I’m level anything. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2016, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-found-the-second-most-addicting-game-to-exist-on-the-internet-no-really/765917/74 "2016-10-01T02:40:19Z")
You can squeeze some extra storage of your food and wood before you head out away from your computer by banking it in a “max” order of traps. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2016, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-found-the-second-most-addicting-game-to-exist-on-the-internet-no-really/765917/75 "2016-10-01T03:10:30Z")
OK, got to level 26. Don’t know what I did right. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2016, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-found-the-second-most-addicting-game-to-exist-on-the-internet-no-really/765917/76 "2016-10-01T19:01:49Z")
On zone 49 today, pushing for zone 50 in order to hit Collectors (have portaled 5 times so far). Even with 8 ranks of Carpentry and 20 Wormholes, stopped being able to keep up with Coordination a few zones ago and slogged through by beefing up my block as much as possible. Carpentry is definitely essential to getting higher. And beat my first Void Map and got an heirloom shield that gives +4% block multiplier, so that’s cool. Also I’ve bought Whipimps and Tauntimps and am happy with both (at zone 49, I’m getting +51.1% production speed from the Whipimps and 6K of my 120K Trimps are from Tauntimps). Not sure what to buy next from the Bone Trader though… a permanent upgrade seems better than a one-time deal, but the other imps don’t seem too impressive. Maybe buy another heirloom for 30 bones? I don’t know. ---
**Author:** ![Arcite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/67e7ee/32.png) [@Arcite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arcite)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2016, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-found-the-second-most-addicting-game-to-exist-on-the-internet-no-really/765917/77 "2016-10-01T19:22:30Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > You can squeeze some extra storage of your food and wood before you head out away from your computer by banking it in a “max” order of traps. I don’t get it. How does that get you extra storage of food and wood? All that gets you is a bunch of extra traps. Is there a way to convert them back into food and wood? ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2016, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-found-the-second-most-addicting-game-to-exist-on-the-internet-no-really/765917/78 "2016-10-01T19:26:39Z")
> [@Arcite](#): > > I don’t get it. How does that get you extra storage of food and wood? All that gets you is a bunch of extra traps. Is there a way to convert them back into food and wood? Assuming the foremen haven’t completed the order when you return, you can cancel whatever is remaining in the build queue for a refund on the resource cost of whatever’s left (this goes for any buildings in the build queue). Personally though I just try to plan for enough forges/sheds/barns to hold production overnight or whatever, if possible. It’s a little irritating that there _is_ an Auto-Storage upgrade apparently, but you have to progress extremely far in the game before that unlocks (complete a Void Map on zone 150+). ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2016, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-found-the-second-most-addicting-game-to-exist-on-the-internet-no-really/765917/79 "2016-10-01T19:46:15Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > Personally though I just try to plan for enough forges/sheds/barns to hold production overnight or whatever, if possible. Yes - absolutely. This just squeezes a little extra out. I doubt it makes a difference, but this is a min/max game to begin with. ---
**Author:** ![Telperion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telperion/32/509_2.png) [@Telperion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telperion)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2016, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-found-the-second-most-addicting-game-to-exist-on-the-internet-no-really/765917/80 "2016-10-01T21:15:15Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > Yes - absolutely. This just squeezes a little extra out. I doubt it makes a difference, but this is a min/max game to begin with. I just build whatever I can afford before I go to bed. It’s not like there’s any such thing as too many houses. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-found-the-second-most-addicting-game-to-exist-on-the-internet-no-really/765917.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-found-the-second-most-addicting-game-to-exist-on-the-internet-no-really/765917.md?page=5)