# So I've found the SECOND most addicting game to exist on the internet. No, really. **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 14, 2016, 7:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-found-the-second-most-addicting-game-to-exist-on-the-internet-no-really/765917 "2016-09-14T07:22:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 42
**Author:** ![Sofis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Sofis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sofis)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-found-the-second-most-addicting-game-to-exist-on-the-internet-no-really/765917/822 "2019-07-02T00:09:31Z")
I’ve beaten Spire VI a few times now. The Echo does take a while on its own, though not as long as farming up the prestiges. Do you have the improved empowerments Fluffy ability yet? It makes a big difference for BW farming. I don’t think I beat Spire VI before getting it. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-found-the-second-most-addicting-game-to-exist-on-the-internet-no-really/765917/823 "2019-07-02T00:19:26Z")
Still playing, but I’ve taken a few breaks and I’m only up to the 470s. I’m trying to boost my helium so I can unlock the last few levels of Capable,l and my population so I can get a second Amalgamator. ---
**Author:** ![Rhodes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rhodes/32/273_2.png) [@Rhodes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhodes)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-found-the-second-most-addicting-game-to-exist-on-the-internet-no-really/765917/824 "2019-07-02T06:32:45Z")
> [@Sofis](#): > > I’ve beaten Spire VI a few times now. The Echo does take a while on its own, though not as long as farming up the prestiges. Do you have the improved empowerments Fluffy ability yet? It makes a big difference for BW farming. I don’t think I beat Spire VI before getting it. I had the improved empowerments, but then I evolved. It would have taken another week or 2 to earn it back at E8L9, and I didn’t want to miss the +90% crit on this daily. ---
**Author:** ![Sofis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Sofis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sofis)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-found-the-second-most-addicting-game-to-exist-on-the-internet-no-really/765917/825 "2019-07-02T16:48:47Z")
Ah, I see. I had a similar situation with the May 19th daily, which is what I used for my first clear. I managed to get to E8L9 by heavily deemphasizing helium for a week and doing a lot of deep runs with ice empowerment. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2019, 7:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-found-the-second-most-addicting-game-to-exist-on-the-internet-no-really/765917/826 "2019-08-06T07:33:53Z")
While the board was down, v. 5.0 dropped! The new update adds a parallel universe accessible once Fluffy is maxed out, with a new perk system where you earn and spend Radon instead of Helium. They’ve also rejiggered Heirlooms so that Nullifium is now a pool you can assign to various heirlooms indefinitely, rather than being a spendable currency. I’m still not anywhere near 700, which is where the new universe is supposed to become accessible, but that’s just another goalpost to aim for. ---
**Author:** ![Rhodes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rhodes/32/273_2.png) [@Rhodes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhodes)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2019, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-found-the-second-most-addicting-game-to-exist-on-the-internet-no-really/765917/827 "2019-08-06T17:14:23Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > While the board was down, v. 5.0 dropped! > > The new update adds a parallel universe accessible once Fluffy is maxed out, with a new perk system where you earn and spend Radon instead of Helium. > > They’ve also rejiggered Heirlooms so that Nullifium is now a pool you can assign to various heirlooms indefinitely, rather than being a spendable currency. > > I’m still not anywhere near 700, which is where the new universe is supposed to become accessible, but that’s just another goalpost to aim for. I don’t think reaching 700 is required, just Fluffy E8L10. With the boosted Classy and Curious, I’ll probably get there tomorrow. Is Evolution 8 really “maxed out”? I thought there was more. ---
**Author:** ![Foggy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foggy/32/1082_2.png) [@Foggy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Foggy)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2019, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-found-the-second-most-addicting-game-to-exist-on-the-internet-no-really/765917/828 "2019-08-23T19:35:53Z")
Thanks! I had forgotten about this game. How much is 500Qa? Is Qa short for quadrillion or quintillion? Is there a list of abbreviations for large numbers, I can’t seem to find one. Or what is the simplest notation for idiots, like myself.😉 ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2019, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-found-the-second-most-addicting-game-to-exist-on-the-internet-no-really/765917/829 "2019-08-23T19:37:28Z")
You people are insane. ---
**Author:** ![Rhodes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rhodes/32/273_2.png) [@Rhodes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhodes)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2019, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-found-the-second-most-addicting-game-to-exist-on-the-internet-no-really/765917/830 "2019-08-23T19:43:44Z")
> [@Foggy](#): > > Thanks! I had forgotten about this game. > > How much is 500Qa? Is Qa short for quadrillion or quintillion? > > Is there a list of abbreviations for large numbers, I can’t seem to find one. > Or what is the simplest notation for idiots, like myself.😉 A google search for “trimps notation” yields [this](https://www.kongregate.com/forums/8945-realm-grinder/topics/531598-scientific-notation-equivalence). Qa=quadrillion; Qi=quintillion. There are other notation systems in the Settings. When it gets into the 4 character abbreviations, I like to switch to Alphabetic notation. a=thousand; b=million; c=billion. But few people use it on wikia or reddit or here, so I occasionally have to switch back to communicate. ---
**Author:** ![Foggy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foggy/32/1082_2.png) [@Foggy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Foggy)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2019, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-found-the-second-most-addicting-game-to-exist-on-the-internet-no-really/765917/831 "2019-08-23T19:45:47Z")
Also what does “compound” mean? (Small words please). For example: Carpentry > [@](#): > > …10% more Trimps per level than the current amount (compounds) Thanks ---
**Author:** ![Rhodes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rhodes/32/273_2.png) [@Rhodes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhodes)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2019, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-found-the-second-most-addicting-game-to-exist-on-the-internet-no-really/765917/832 "2019-08-23T19:54:58Z")
> [@Foggy](#): > > Also what does “compound” mean? (Small words please). > > For example: Carpentry > Thanks Each level adds 10% to the previous population, so the resulting increase will be \*(1.10^n). Many perks such as Power are “additive”, so the resulting increase is \* (1 + .05n). ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2019, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-found-the-second-most-addicting-game-to-exist-on-the-internet-no-really/765917/833 "2019-08-23T19:58:19Z")
It means that it increases like compound interest. If you have a building that houses 1000 trimps, and you boost it 5 times at 10% each time it will increase to 1100, 1210, 1331, 1464, 1610. There is also additive, which is like simple interest. If you have a base of 1000, and boost it 5 times at 10%, then it will increase 1100, 1200, 1300, 1400, 1500. ---
**Author:** ![Rhodes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rhodes/32/273_2.png) [@Rhodes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhodes)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2019, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-found-the-second-most-addicting-game-to-exist-on-the-internet-no-really/765917/834 "2019-08-23T20:16:26Z")
The difference starts out small, but when you have a lot of levels of a perk there’s only a small gain to upgrade an additive perk compared to a compounding perk. Going from 199 to 200 Power increases your attack from \*10.95 to \*11.00. That’s only a 0.5% increase. Going from 199 to 200 Carpentry increases your population from \*173million to \*190million. Still a 10% increase. ---
**Author:** ![Foggy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foggy/32/1082_2.png) [@Foggy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Foggy)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2019, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-found-the-second-most-addicting-game-to-exist-on-the-internet-no-really/765917/835 "2019-08-24T00:23:59Z")
Thank you, that helps. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2019, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-found-the-second-most-addicting-game-to-exist-on-the-internet-no-really/765917/836 "2019-08-26T01:33:11Z")
I guess I put off Trapper^2 for way too long. I’ve been avoiding trying it because the “no breeding” stipulation sounded like too much of a pain in the ass, but on first trying it this afternoon, with some careful management of my coordinations I was able to make it far enough in to get a 300% boost for my Challenge^2 score. Mapology^2 is the only one I don’t have any points in yet, and I haven’t been looking forward to that either, but I guess I’ll be running it soon - any tips for that one? I know I’m lagging ages behind a lot of other people who are still playing, but I think I’m about ready to try for my first Spire IV clear. ---
**Author:** ![Personal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b9bd4f/32.png) [@Personal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Personal)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2019, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-found-the-second-most-addicting-game-to-exist-on-the-internet-no-really/765917/837 "2019-08-26T02:12:55Z")
I forgot about Trimps. I started Castle Clicker and Kittens again a couple of weeks ago. I’m amazed how much I don’t remember about both of them. It’s like starting beans new only my instincts are better this time. ---
**Author:** ![Rhodes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rhodes/32/273_2.png) [@Rhodes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhodes)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2019, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-found-the-second-most-addicting-game-to-exist-on-the-internet-no-really/765917/838 "2019-08-26T16:49:19Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > I guess I put off Trapper^2 for way too long. I’ve been avoiding trying it because the “no breeding” stipulation sounded like too much of a pain in the ass, but on first trying it this afternoon, with some careful management of my coordinations I was able to make it far enough in to get a 300% boost for my Challenge^2 score. Mapology^2 is the only one I don’t have any points in yet, and I haven’t been looking forward to that either, but I guess I’ll be running it soon - any tips for that one? > > I know I’m lagging ages behind a lot of other people who are still playing, but I think I’m about ready to try for my first Spire IV clear. I might be due for another Trapper^2 run too. I was going to say that it’s hugely more valuable than the other C^2s, but mine is really on par with the others. The trick is to trust Perky. You’ll start the run with pretty much all your helium in Carpentry to get a fuctillion trimps. No need to do any actual trapping. Then you’ll respec, with an emphasis on Coordinated IIRC. With an initial population several orders of magnitude bigger than your army, you should get pretty far before you run out of trimps. Mapology^2 isn’t bad. Just run Prestigious maps with **Equip First** to upgrade your dagger and mace every time things start to slow down. If you have your Bionic masteries, then you can even climb some prestigious BWs. ---
**Author:** ![TruCelt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/trucelt/32/523_2.png) [@TruCelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TruCelt)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2019, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-found-the-second-most-addicting-game-to-exist-on-the-internet-no-really/765917/839 "2019-08-27T00:31:26Z")
Is nobody else collecting radon? So far there’s nothing amazing about it. It’s just like starting over with the Trimps. Yes, you get to take some of your existing bonuses with you, but everything is correspondingly harder, so the overall balance feels the same. Once I get the ratios figured out I expect to be bored again. After only three days, there is nothing particularly creative here that I can see. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2019, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-found-the-second-most-addicting-game-to-exist-on-the-internet-no-really/765917/840 "2019-08-27T00:51:14Z")
The fight with Druopitee took nearly an hour, but I managed my first Spire IV clear, and picked up 320% for my cheevos in the process. Got my first plagued heirloom, too - it’s a little disappointing that they aren’t fully customizable and I can’t get all the useful upgrades I want onto it, but Plaguebringer seems pretty nifty. Time to go back to farming runs to see if I can manage to clear Spire IV _without_ beefing up on Golden Battles and splurging at the Bone Trader. ---
**Author:** ![Telperion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telperion/32/509_2.png) [@Telperion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telperion)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2019, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-found-the-second-most-addicting-game-to-exist-on-the-internet-no-really/765917/841 "2019-08-27T00:57:18Z")
> [@TruCelt](#): > > Is nobody else collecting radon? So far there’s nothing amazing about it. It’s just like starting over with the Trimps. Yes, you get to take some of your existing bonuses with you, but everything is correspondingly harder, so the overall balance feels the same. Once I get the ratios figured out I expect to be bored again. > > After only three days, there is nothing particularly creative here that I can see. Yeah, it does seem pretty uninspired so far. I can see why they wanted people to experience it on sort of equal footing, but having to unlock every single perk again is just goddamn annoying. On the bright side though, radiating heirlooms are pretty nice. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-found-the-second-most-addicting-game-to-exist-on-the-internet-no-really/765917.md?page=41) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-found-the-second-most-addicting-game-to-exist-on-the-internet-no-really/765917.md?page=43)