# So, I've got a fucking convicted child rapist as a co-worker now! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 24, 2006, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-got-a-fucking-convicted-child-rapist-as-a-co-worker-now/353946 "2006-04-24T05:26:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Silentgoldfish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@Silentgoldfish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silentgoldfish)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2006, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-got-a-fucking-convicted-child-rapist-as-a-co-worker-now/353946/41 "2006-04-24T13:26:50Z")
> [@Dante](#): > > Given the opportunity, I would happily get out of my armchair and do the deed myself. With a wife that works in Children’s Aid, I’ve given this more than a passing thought. Sure ya would, sport. ---
**Author:** ![Leah\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/57b2e6/32.png) [@Leah\_M](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leah_M)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2006, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-got-a-fucking-convicted-child-rapist-as-a-co-worker-now/353946/42 "2006-04-24T13:27:44Z")
I’m personally squeamish about the being so close to the school issue. I can’t really say how I’d feel if I were told my new coworker was this same person, because I haven’t been in that situation. Having been both molested and held at gunpoint (in two separate situations), I can likely say I’d be uncomfortable as an understatement, but I have a bias. I can understand the ex-con wanting to rehabilitate, but why so near children? That doesn’t sit right with me. I don’t think the massive picketing is necessary, though. Sure, everyone might pass by a school during their daily lives, but working in the close vicinity of one is another. It gives them more opportunity. That’s like putting a cat in with mice. Sure, maybe you’ve got a nice cat. Maybe it killed a mouse once, and then you let it get friendly with your pet gerbil. Are you going to stick it in a box of gerbils and see if it kills any of them? It also depends on how long he’s been out on rehabilitation. If he hasn’t been out long, I wouldn’t want him in the direct vicinity of children. Maybe after a time, if he’s shown himself to have had good behavior in public and around children while supervised, then I would mind less. There’s many factors to weigh. There is no clear-cut one right answer for the situation without considering everything, and some of that is information we don’t have. ---
**Author:** ![Nic2004](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/4491bb/32.png) [@Nic2004](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nic2004)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2006, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-got-a-fucking-convicted-child-rapist-as-a-co-worker-now/353946/43 "2006-04-24T13:29:33Z")
> [@Dante](#): > > Given the opportunity, I would happily get out of my armchair and do the deed myself. With a wife that works in Children’s Aid, I’ve given this more than a passing thought. I’m with Dante here. Put me on the list. Sign me up. No fee required. Throw the switch, give the injection, spring the trap door. No regrets. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2006, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-got-a-fucking-convicted-child-rapist-as-a-co-worker-now/353946/44 "2006-04-24T13:31:22Z")
> [@Dante](#): > > Child rapists don’t deserve a second chance. They deserve to be put down like the animals they are. It doesn’t necessarily have to be cruel. Just kneel 'em down, and put one in the back of their head. Problem solved. Fascinating viewpoint. Are there any other crimes, in your view, that do not actually result in the death of a victim, yet should be punished by execution? If not, what makes this one special? ---
**Author:** ![The\_King\_of\_Soup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a87d85/32.png) [@The\_King\_of\_Soup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_King_of_Soup)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2006, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-got-a-fucking-convicted-child-rapist-as-a-co-worker-now/353946/45 "2006-04-24T13:38:34Z")
> [@Dante](#): > > … Just kneel 'em down, and put one in the back of their head. Problem solved. The best reason I can think of to oppose the death penalty is to keep minds like this, once they’ve eliminated crime, from happily moving on to “solve” all our other problems as well. ---
**Author:** ![Dante](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dante/32/9673_2.png) [@Dante](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dante)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2006, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-got-a-fucking-convicted-child-rapist-as-a-co-worker-now/353946/46 "2006-04-24T13:38:55Z")
> [@Silentgoldfish](#): > > Sure ya would, sport. _shrug_ Well, I guess you would know. Because of the … uh … reason that you know, and all … ---
**Author:** ![Man\_With\_a\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cab0a1/32.png) [@Man\_With\_a\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Man_With_a_Cat)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2006, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-got-a-fucking-convicted-child-rapist-as-a-co-worker-now/353946/47 "2006-04-24T13:39:08Z")
I also would like to know which state registry gives details about the exact age of the child, and that he used a gun. For instance, here it tells you if the child was UNDER a certain age, or what the specific offense was, but not to specific as to say a 7 year old and a gun was used. Or were other means used to get those details. States SO laws usually stipulate an offender can’t live within so many feet of a school, but off hand I don’t know what yours (or mine for that matter) say about employment. I’d guess the parole officer does know, so when you say he “doesn’t have a problem” with it, is that what he means -that it’s legal and he can’t do anything about it? ---
**Author:** ![Nic2004](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/4491bb/32.png) [@Nic2004](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nic2004)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2006, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-got-a-fucking-convicted-child-rapist-as-a-co-worker-now/353946/48 "2006-04-24T13:42:24Z")
Man grabs sleeping child from his bed, rapes and beats him. It say mandatory life sentence but I can’t help but wonder if there isn’t some possibility of his being on the street again some day in the future. Article [here](http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060422/BREAKINGNEWS/60422007/1086) Jessica Lunsford’s case said > [@](#): > > Because the suspect – a convicted sex offender – was “drug-hazed,” the sequence of events is murky, the sheriff said. and > [@](#): > > Jessica Marie Lunsford, the 9-year-old Florida girl whose body was found Saturday near her parents’ home, was kidnapped from her bedroom, and there is evidence from a medical examiner that she was sexually assaulted, . She was beaten, raped and buried alive! And he was a known offender. That father should never have lost his baby girl to this animal. If you doubt I would kill him **Silentgoldfish** you are mistaken. ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2006, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-got-a-fucking-convicted-child-rapist-as-a-co-worker-now/353946/49 "2006-04-24T13:42:57Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > Sorry, I would have thought that you’d be more interested in helping this guy NOT rape another child. As it is, society wants to continue to punish him, marginalize him, make it impossible for him to live even a semblance of a normal life, until he snaps and rapes again. Too bad about the second raped kid, but at least the rapist got treated like shit while he was out, and that’s what’s important. You’re shitting me, right? Are people supposed to hug him and tell him it’s okay? Am I supposed to feel \*badly \* about \*judging \* a child rapist? And above all, do you honestly fucking expect me or anyone else to accept responsibility when he “snaps” and rapes \*another \* child? Bite me, retard. \*You \* go bake him some muffins welcome him to the neighborhood. Be sure to bring the kiddies. ---
**Author:** ![Dante](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dante/32/9673_2.png) [@Dante](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dante)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2006, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-got-a-fucking-convicted-child-rapist-as-a-co-worker-now/353946/50 "2006-04-24T13:50:50Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Fascinating viewpoint. Are there any other crimes, in your view, that do not actually result in the death of a victim, yet should be punished by execution? If not, what makes this one special? I think it boils down to the betrayal of trust that children should be able to have for adults. Adults should help guide and teach children in a safe environment. Those who would prey on them, torture them, rape them, are betraying that trust. It’s just about the most disgusting thing I can imagine. Even worse are the relatives who abuse their own family members. Unfortunately, they are the majority. I don’t think I’ve put that very well, but there it is. > [@The King of Soup](#): > > The best reason I can think of to oppose the death penalty is to keep minds like this, once they’ve eliminated crime, from happily moving on to “solve” all our other problems as well. Mmmph … mmpph … mmmph … Sorry, it was hard to talk there with all the words you were shoving into my mouth. ---
**Author:** ![Only\_Mostly\_Dead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/f19dbf/32.png) [@Only\_Mostly\_Dead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Only_Mostly_Dead)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2006, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-got-a-fucking-convicted-child-rapist-as-a-co-worker-now/353946/51 "2006-04-24T13:53:38Z")
> [@DianaG](#): > > Yes, he needs a job. He does \*\*not \*\* need a job _next door to a school_. 1. He needs a job. 2. He has skills as a mechanic. 3. There is a mechanic shop, and possibly the only such shop in town that is hiring, that just so happens to be right next to a school. So where does he work when he needs a job but one of the only choices to meet his skillset (if not the only) is next door to a school? My guess is that the parole officer is looking at the school a lot more closely than is being let on, and quite probably looking at the offender for recidivism all the greater because of it, too. But this may be the guy’s only chance to reestablish himself in working society. Recidivism happens. It’s a sad fact. But so does rehabilitation. The difference is that recidivism makes (tragic) news. Try to broadcast the news story “this one time child rapist has been working responsibly for the past two decades, and has never had anything vaguely resembling a shadow of relapse.” You’re gonna get a big fat libel suit for doing such a thing, and even though rapist #2 is just as valid in the statistical sample for recidivism, he’s not going to be seen in the least in the public (or political) eye. I understand that sexual crimes, especially involving a child, are some of the most heinous acts imaginable, and thought of them turns my stomach. But there is a point after which the criminal has served a (most likely very long, very strict) prison sentence, then parole during which time they _need to prove rehabilitation and reentry into society_, that they should not always then be subject to a life term in the court of public opinion when state punishment has run its due course. Other posters have already said it: if the criminal is not allowed to normalize back into society, if he is kept ostracized on the fringe, the possibly of recidivism is exponentially higher than if he is able to reassimilate. ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2006, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-got-a-fucking-convicted-child-rapist-as-a-co-worker-now/353946/52 "2006-04-24T13:57:51Z")
The Maryland (my state) sex offender registry is on the web and does not list the specific circumstances of the crime just various classifications of offense like "2ND & 3RD DEG SEX OFFENSE"etc. alongside a picture of the offender and thier last known address… How exactly did the specific circumstances of this guys crime come to the attention of the entire work staff? Did the boss make an announcement “I’ve hired a rapist!” Is someone following this guy around making sure everyone knows what he did? ---
**Author:** ![Zabali\_Clawbane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/ecd19e/32.png) [@Zabali\_Clawbane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zabali_Clawbane)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2006, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-got-a-fucking-convicted-child-rapist-as-a-co-worker-now/353946/53 "2006-04-24T13:58:12Z")
What troubles me about this is not only the fact that he raped a seven year old, but that he did it at _ **gunpoint** _. This isn’t some skeevy guy who skulks around the teenage hangouts, acting “cool” to court and seduce 15 year olds. He used a gun, on a seven year old child. And he’s working beside an elementary school?! WTF is the parole officer thinking! That is a HUGE flaw in the legal system where the OP lives, IMO. Let him work, let him pay the rent and buy his own food. (\*\*\*\*\*Since the crime he committed is not punishable by life in prison in that system.) Just not near a school. It is equivelant to throwing chum into the ocean to let it happen. [SUB]\*\*\*\*\*I think offenders like him should be locked away for life at the least, myself.[/SUB] ---
**Author:** ![Nic2004](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/4491bb/32.png) [@Nic2004](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nic2004)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2006, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-got-a-fucking-convicted-child-rapist-as-a-co-worker-now/353946/54 "2006-04-24T14:00:35Z")
> [@The King of Soup](#): > > The best reason I can think of to oppose the death penalty is to keep minds like this, once they’ve eliminated crime, from happily moving on to “solve” all our other problems as well. Fucking please! The tired old slippery slope bullshit of the extremes I always hear. “Next they will be shooting people in the street for double parking” type of crap is annoying. If an animal comes into a town or village and kills a person (a tiger, a wolf, or bear) they will track it down and destroy it because it is a killer. And most often, once they are willing to do it they will continue to kill. They have forfeited their claim to being human when they crossed this line. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2006, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-got-a-fucking-convicted-child-rapist-as-a-co-worker-now/353946/55 "2006-04-24T14:03:32Z")
> [@DianaG](#): > > \*You \* go bake him some muffins welcome him to the neighborhood. Be sure to bring the kiddies. There’s a bit of middle ground between baking muffins and protesting his very existance. If people backed off just a little bit, let offenders have some sort of life outside of prison, there would be a reason for them to not re-offend. What I see here is a guy who has no reason to want to stay out of prison, his life outside is just as bad as his life inside. No reason to stay clean, no reason to work on his problems, just may as well give in and go back to jail. The reality is that guys like him are out here with us. You can’t change what happened, but we as a society can work to help prevent it from happening again. You want them to stay in jail forever, write your state government and get the law changed. But the people who are out, are going to stay out, and we HAVE to deal with their existance. You can either treat them like worm shit, give them no reason to improve themselves, or give them a tiny bit of space so they can have a life, and a reason to be good. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2006, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-got-a-fucking-convicted-child-rapist-as-a-co-worker-now/353946/56 "2006-04-24T14:07:58Z")
> [@Nic2004](#): > > If you doubt I would kill him **Silentgoldfish** you are mistaken. Isn’t there someone in jail right now for killing a registered sex offender? ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2006, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-got-a-fucking-convicted-child-rapist-as-a-co-worker-now/353946/57 "2006-04-24T14:10:18Z")
I just re-checked the registery and my insurance agent is on it! :eek: ---
**Author:** ![wheelie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b4bc9f/32.png) [@wheelie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wheelie)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2006, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-got-a-fucking-convicted-child-rapist-as-a-co-worker-now/353946/58 "2006-04-24T14:10:38Z")
The age of the victim is a matter of public record. > [@state website](#): > > Offense Data > Sex Offender Offense > Offense Aggravated Sexual Assault Child > General Offense Code > Counts 1.0 > Victim’s Sex Female > Victim’s Age 7.0 I don’t work in the same department as this scumbag, and I am going to have as little to do with him as possible. However, once word of this spreads (especially likely if the threat of a picket line materializes), it’s not likely to be good for business. ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2006, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-got-a-fucking-convicted-child-rapist-as-a-co-worker-now/353946/59 "2006-04-24T14:12:45Z")
> [@astro](#): > > I just re-checked the registery and my insurance agent is on it! :eek: I take that back the age is 27 and the suffic is “Jr” so it must be his kid. One reason not to name your kids “Jr”. ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2006, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-got-a-fucking-convicted-child-rapist-as-a-co-worker-now/353946/60 "2006-04-24T14:13:19Z")
I don’t protest his existence. I ask that he not be employed next door to an elementary school. If I’m understanding your argument correctly, it’s essentially that if he rapes children again, it’s because people were mean to him, because he has no control over his impulses. This lack of control, however, is no good reason not to place him next door to a smorgasboard of temptation. Is it really so unreasonable to believe that a good reason to not rape small children is because it’s wrong? Is it unreasonable to believe that the onus of not doing it again is on him? Is it unreasonable to believe that society’s first interest is in the children, and that one way to prevent recidivism is by limiting his access to children? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-got-a-fucking-convicted-child-rapist-as-a-co-worker-now/353946.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-got-a-fucking-convicted-child-rapist-as-a-co-worker-now/353946.md?page=4)