# So, I've got a fucking convicted child rapist as a co-worker now! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 24, 2006, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-got-a-fucking-convicted-child-rapist-as-a-co-worker-now/353946 "2006-04-24T05:26:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2006, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-got-a-fucking-convicted-child-rapist-as-a-co-worker-now/353946/121 "2006-04-25T00:18:58Z")
> [@Fear Itself](#): > > By refusing to expend any effort to rehabilitate the criminals you admit must someday be released into society, you are creating the conditions for more children to be raped. You cannot simply ignore them and hope they go away, just because the law prevents you from warehousing or killing them. If you want to protect children, you must find a way to love your enemy. If the welfare of future victims is unimportant to you, then continue to seek vengeance. I know you probably meant the generic you. Personally, I don’t have to find a way to love my enemy. It’s awfully hard to become my enemy, but once you do, you stay that way. Rape someone, you’re there. There are enough others out there willing to extend an olive branch. I’m not one of them. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2006, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-got-a-fucking-convicted-child-rapist-as-a-co-worker-now/353946/122 "2006-04-25T00:36:16Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally Posted by **Monty** _ > > > [@](#): > > > > _Originally Posted by **Nic2004** _ > > If you doubt I would kill him Silentgoldfish you are mistaken. > > Isn’t there someone in jail right now for killing a registered sex offender? [Ah, yes, I recalled correctly.](http://pressherald.mainetoday.com/news/state/060418shooting.shtml) From that link: > [@](#): > > A sex offender Web site in Washington state was cited in the slayings of two convicted child rapists last summer. Michael Anthony Mullen, 35, pleaded guilty and was sentenced to more than 44 years in prison. So, now I have a question or three for **Nic2004** : Why is it just that one person whom you would slay? What about all the other people listed on the sex offender registries? Do you just not care at all about their victims? ---
**Author:** ![ParentalAdvisory](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/53a042/32.png) [@ParentalAdvisory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParentalAdvisory)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2006, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-got-a-fucking-convicted-child-rapist-as-a-co-worker-now/353946/123 "2006-04-25T01:54:13Z")
Let’s see, where were we… > [@dnooman](#): > > Let’s kill him. I glad you agree. :rolleyes: > [@dnooman](#): > > There’s no chance of him being reformed… I don’t care whether or not he has a chance of being reformed. The one time act is enough, if it was even his first victim to begin with. The system has failed miserably. A wacko like this needs to go away for a long time, or put to death. A second chance makes no sense what so ever. Cities all around this country are all about putting pitt bulls to death, _just for biting kids_. A little trauma there, but nothing that would affect their adult life too much. But hey, lets roll the dice (you a gambler? hell I am, and I know when the odds are against me) and let Mr Rapist get a second chance. > [@dnooman](#): > > Dead people are better than traumatized kids. No. Dead rapists are better than traumatized kids. The traumatization has already occured, which is a damn shame and will likely last a lifetime. Why should the rapist enjoy any life he has left? > [@dnooman](#): > > Lets never allow him to be gainfully emplyed, that’ll make him better. Well, since the system failed society as a whole, again, I guess we have to put up with the fucker. If he wants, I’ll pay him to catch bullets and the local range here. Maybe it’ll make him feel like Superman. I suppose if anybdy wants to keep them around because they’re “human too”, and you believe in “2nd chances” for violent rapists, then I propose an RFID system for children to wear around their wrists, and a 75,000 volt ankle bracelet for rapists to wear at all times. Any close proximity can warn children ahead of time when the fucker drops to the floor for coming way too close. I think that’s fair. _runs to file patent_ ---
**Author:** ![Cliffy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/59ef9b/32.png) [@Cliffy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cliffy)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2006, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-got-a-fucking-convicted-child-rapist-as-a-co-worker-now/353946/124 "2006-04-25T02:28:45Z")
> [@Dante](#): > > So if I advocate the death penalty for child rapists, and am actually willing to carry out said penalty myself (because I believe that if you vote for the death penalty, you should be capable of pulling the switch yourself), that makes me **worse** than the guy who rapes a child at gunpoint? Not _worse_. –Cliffy ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2006, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-got-a-fucking-convicted-child-rapist-as-a-co-worker-now/353946/125 "2006-04-25T02:42:55Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > I know you probably meant the generic you. Personally, I don’t have to find a way to love my enemy. It’s awfully hard to become my enemy, but once you do, you stay that way. Rape someone, you’re there. There are enough others out there willing to extend an olive branch. I’m not one of them. So are you going to address my point? You know you can’t kill them, you know they have to be released some day. If you don’t deal with them, they are more likely to re-offend. Why won’t you make any effort to prevent future crimes? Do you care less about the children than you do about your own lust for retribution? ---
**Author:** ![CanvasShoes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/74df32/32.png) [@CanvasShoes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CanvasShoes)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2006, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-got-a-fucking-convicted-child-rapist-as-a-co-worker-now/353946/126 "2006-04-25T02:44:08Z")
> [@FlyingRamenMonster](#): > > Well, if I’m not mistaken, he’s pitting the fact that the child rapist has a job, and I don’t see why he shouldn’t. Because they’re monsters, the recidivism rate is about 95% and once you commit that kind of crime, you give up your right to be considered part of the human race. The victims never get to be whole again. So why should the alien beasts who do that to them get to just wander on out free and clear? Debt to society does NOT even come close to equalling Debt to humanity. Not even a teeny bit. Just because our justice system hasn’t the foresight to give this crime a life sentence doesnt’ mean that the perpetrators are suddenly “okay” when they get out. Who wants to work in the same place as a one of these sick twisted psychological abortions? And why should THEY be punished by having to do so? ---
**Author:** ![ParentalAdvisory](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/53a042/32.png) [@ParentalAdvisory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParentalAdvisory)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2006, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-got-a-fucking-convicted-child-rapist-as-a-co-worker-now/353946/127 "2006-04-25T02:48:11Z")
> [@Cliffy](#): > > Not _worse_. > > –Cliffy Well, it certainly isn’t anywhere close to _worse_, either. Everybody does know the difference for killing/raping for pleasure, and killing to eradicate the bad seed in the human race, right? Yes, killing is bad. But there is good and bad in everything, and there is a distinction here. It’s bad to kill, but it’s good to kill those who kill/rape innocent people, without regard for their own feelings, or their victims. And spare the, “well… who decides to kill who” political correctness bullshit that’s often spewed around here. You fuck a child at gunpoint, you’re a worthless piece of shit, and you gotta go. Fuck what your past has done to you, fuck what your family thinks about it, and fuck your remorse. You do something like this, you deserve nothing. ---
**Author:** ![Only\_Mostly\_Dead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/f19dbf/32.png) [@Only\_Mostly\_Dead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Only_Mostly_Dead)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2006, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-got-a-fucking-convicted-child-rapist-as-a-co-worker-now/353946/128 "2006-04-25T02:55:53Z")
> [@CanvasShoes](#): > > Because they’re monsters, the recidivism rate is about 95% and once you commit that kind of crime, you give up your right to be considered part of the human race. From the Bureau of Let’s Pull Statistics Out Of Our Asses Without Cites. As was posted earlier: [Sexoffender.com link about recidivism likelihood](http://www.sexoffender.com/sorecidivism_review.html) [Another cite heavy on statistics and pretty charts](http://www.csom.org/pubs/recidsexof.html). Both put the high at around 53% for child molestors, and according to the second cite, that’s over the course of 25 years from original incident, with the chance of recidivism increasing over time. Looking over the glut of cites one can get by googling “sex offender recidivism rates” seems to put the high in most of the studies at around 50-55%. 95% my ass, **CanvasShoes**. Granted, 55% is still high when we’re talking about the innocence and safety of children, but that’s 45% rehabilitation, and a far cry from a kneejerk bullshit claim of 95%. I know it’s the Pit, and we all spout off without really giving a fuck for the other side’s argument, but at least acknowledge that there is considerable evidence that says you’re full of shit. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2006, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-got-a-fucking-convicted-child-rapist-as-a-co-worker-now/353946/129 "2006-04-25T03:01:15Z")
> [@Only Mostly Dead](#): > > I know it’s the Pit, and we all spout off without really giving a fuck for the other side’s argument, but at least acknowledge that there is considerable evidence that says you’re full of shit. Yeah, but it makes it so much easier to justify an ice pick to the temple. That’s the important thing. ---
**Author:** ![Dante](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dante/32/9673_2.png) [@Dante](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dante)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2006, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-got-a-fucking-convicted-child-rapist-as-a-co-worker-now/353946/130 "2006-04-25T03:01:25Z")
> [@Only Mostly Dead](#): > > Both put the high at around 53% for child molestors, and according to the second cite, that’s over the course of 25 years from original incident, with the chance of recidivism increasing over time. And the sad thing is, this will be used as a cite **against** the death penalty for child molesters. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2006, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-got-a-fucking-convicted-child-rapist-as-a-co-worker-now/353946/131 "2006-04-25T03:09:49Z")
Am I the only person who found the OP to _completely_ unbelievable? ReallY? OK. I mean, I don’t enough facts to call it bullshit (and I could be totally wrong), but it sure _sounds_ like bullshit, doesn’t it? Raped a 7 yr old at gunpoint. That’s pretty unusual. Not the child rape part, sadly, but the ‘at gunpoint’ part. Hired and kept on while staff is made aware of the conviction and most of them quit. Parole officer has no problems with proximity to school. And an unattributed racist quote by the boss to boot. I’m sorry if I offend but it’s just too much. ---
**Author:** ![Only\_Mostly\_Dead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/f19dbf/32.png) [@Only\_Mostly\_Dead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Only_Mostly_Dead)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2006, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-got-a-fucking-convicted-child-rapist-as-a-co-worker-now/353946/132 "2006-04-25T03:14:05Z")
> [@Dante](#): > > And the sad thing is, this will be used as a cite **against** the death penalty for child molesters. You’re right, it will. 53% recidivism over a 25-year period means (optimistically) 47% rehabilitation or (pessimisticly) up to 47% who weren’t caught. Let’s roughly say one half that **very well may** be perfectly rehabilitated after 25 years out of jail. So there’s one in two people who did something heinous in their youth who are summarily executed by \*\*instead of fulfilling the potential of rehabilitation. One in two people that, instead of fulfilling their sentence from the state and going on to be productive, rehabilitated members of society, are executed by **Dante**. That’s reasonable. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Only\_Mostly\_Dead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/f19dbf/32.png) [@Only\_Mostly\_Dead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Only_Mostly_Dead)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2006, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-got-a-fucking-convicted-child-rapist-as-a-co-worker-now/353946/133 "2006-04-25T03:16:04Z")
> [@Dante](#): > > And the sad thing is, this will be used as a cite **against** the death penalty for child molesters. You’re right, it will. 53% recidivism over a 25-year period means (optimistically) 47% rehabilitation or (pessimisticly) up to 47% who weren’t caught. Let’s roughly say one half that **very well may** be perfectly rehabilitated after 25 years out of jail. So there’s one in two people who did something heinous in their youth who are summarily executed instead of fulfilling the potential of rehabilitation. One in two people that, instead of fulfilling their sentence from the state and going on to be productive, rehabilitated members of society, are shot by **Dante** the vigilante with a heart of gold. That’s reasonable. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2006, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-got-a-fucking-convicted-child-rapist-as-a-co-worker-now/353946/134 "2006-04-25T03:20:40Z")
If there’s an outrage here, it’s not really that he was given a job but that he’s walking around free at all. There are people doing mandatory life for selling blow but a drpraved sexual terrorist like this can get out of jail. What a fucked up set of priorities we have. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2006, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-got-a-fucking-convicted-child-rapist-as-a-co-worker-now/353946/135 "2006-04-25T03:32:23Z")
> [@](#): > > Just because our justice system hasn’t the foresight to give this crime a life sentence doesnt’ mean that the perpetrators are suddenly “okay” when they get out. Please read the current thread going on in GD. As a poster there rightly points out, these are often difficult crimes to prosecute, which, if they go to trial, may rely on the only witnesses being the victims themselves, who may not be able to effectively or reliably communicate what happened. Many, if not most, of such cases are therefore plea-bargained to obtain a conviction. If legislation eventually forces the application of mandatory life sentences, or execution, the chances seem high that this would result in a) fewer convictions for these types of crimes, and b) more murders of children to cover up assaults of this nature. If you feel this is to some extent an injustice, hey, you may very well be right. You are free to argue for a better way, but if your argument ends up being in favor of a sort of vigilante justice, involving mandatory execution on suspicion only, I do not think it will be a very effective argument. For the rest of it, I’m sorry, but you are arguing the same appeal to emotion that several other posters have already attempted. ---
**Author:** ![Klaatu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Klaatu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Klaatu)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2006, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-got-a-fucking-convicted-child-rapist-as-a-co-worker-now/353946/136 "2006-04-25T03:40:33Z")
I am pretty forgiving about certain crimes and people paying their societal debt. Thats how it works. No Problem. Raping a seven year old? He should be tortured to death slowly, screaming in agony. Some psycho fucks can’t be “repaired”. The Boogeyman DOES exist. ---
**Author:** ![FlyingRamenMonster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@FlyingRamenMonster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlyingRamenMonster)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2006, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-got-a-fucking-convicted-child-rapist-as-a-co-worker-now/353946/137 "2006-04-25T03:50:51Z")
> [@CanvasShoes](#): > > Who wants to work in the same place as a one of these sick twisted psychological abortions? And why should THEY be punished by having to do so? _I_ wouldn’t mind. I don’t see how working with them punishes _me_. Working with an incompetent punishes me. As long as he does his job I wouldn’t care why he’s there. ---
**Author:** ![ParentalAdvisory](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/53a042/32.png) [@ParentalAdvisory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParentalAdvisory)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2006, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-got-a-fucking-convicted-child-rapist-as-a-co-worker-now/353946/138 "2006-04-25T04:08:47Z")
> [@FlyingRamenMonster](#): > > As long as he does his job I wouldn’t care why he’s there. Even if you had knowledge that he was a violent (repeat, violent!) child molester? And if you still feel you wouldn’t care, can you elaborate as to why you wouldn’t care? ---
**Author:** ![Klaatu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Klaatu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Klaatu)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2006, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-got-a-fucking-convicted-child-rapist-as-a-co-worker-now/353946/139 "2006-04-25T04:09:20Z")
> [@FlyingRamenMonster](#): > > _I_ wouldn’t mind. I don’t see how working with them punishes _me_. Working with an incompetent punishes me. As long as he does his job I wouldn’t care why he’s there. So, It wouldn’t bother you a bit to work with a psycho baby raper? ---
**Author:** ![JustAnotherGeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/58f4c7/32.png) [@JustAnotherGeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JustAnotherGeek)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2006, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-got-a-fucking-convicted-child-rapist-as-a-co-worker-now/353946/140 "2006-04-25T04:10:45Z")
> [@Only Mostly Dead](#): > > You’re right, it will. > > 53% recidivism over a 25-year period means (optimistically) 47% rehabilitation or (pessimisticly) up to 47% who weren’t caught. Let’s roughly say one half that **very well may** be perfectly rehabilitated after 25 years out of jail. So there’s one in two people who did something heinous in their youth who are summarily executed instead of fulfilling the potential of rehabilitation. One in two people that, instead of fulfilling their sentence from the state and going on to be productive, rehabilitated members of society, are shot by **Dante** the vigilante with a heart of gold. That’s reasonable. :rolleyes: Well, ok, if you want to play the numbers game: [ > [@](#): > > Convicted child molesters who abused girls had an average of 52 victims each. Men who molested boys had an astonishing average of 150 victims. > Source: In a study funded by the National Institute of Mental Health Dr. Gene G. Abel, Emory University > > The typical child sex offender molests an average of 117 children, most of whom do not report the offense. > Source: The National Institute of Mental Health, 1988 ]([http://www.rasac.org/education/statistics.html](http://www.rasac.org/education/statistics.html)) Before you accuse (e.g.) Dante of being homicidal, perhaps you could ask the question of “how many children would we prevent from becoming victims by executing\* child molesters?” Even in your idealized scenario, you have to make the assumption that half are perfectly rehabilitated. You even allow the pessistic outlook that the 47% are simply not caught re-commiting these heinous crimes. I also question your definition of “productive, rehabilitated members of society” if, as it has been pointed out earlier in this thread, it will require constant supervision to ensure a lack of recidivism. I have to admit that I don’t understand your math. \*end note for clarification: I do not advocate execution of convicted child molesters for the simple fact that I do not advocate execution. I favor sentences of life imprisonment without parole for child molesters. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-got-a-fucking-convicted-child-rapist-as-a-co-worker-now/353946.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-ive-got-a-fucking-convicted-child-rapist-as-a-co-worker-now/353946.md?page=8)