# So North Korea? WTF? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 30, 2019, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-north-korea-wtf/836300 "2019-06-30T14:40:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![anomalous1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e56c9b/32.png) [@anomalous1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anomalous1)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2019, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-north-korea-wtf/836300/121 "2019-07-04T20:13:34Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Clearly and succintly indicate what the other reasons were. “Departure from the playbook” may be a good thing if the person performing that departure is aware of what the game is and what the actual goal of the game is. Trump has no knowledge of the powers of government beyond what he’s experienced in court, both federal and state. > > Same of what? Obama is a great orater, was constitutional law scholar, and, whether you like it or not, was an actual uniter. > > No, you didn’t! Docile? Obama? Barack Obama? President Obama? Nah, not docile. > > More of the same what? > > That might work in a game of poker, blind man’s bluff, or some other silly game. Being reliable, trustworthy, and knowing what you are talking about are all positive things. You might consider trying that last one, by the way. > > Cabinet members are not the peers of the president; they are his advisors. Trump is incapable of taking advice. All he cares about is his ego. Those in the cabinet who do know what their job is, becoming increasingly rare, have found out the hard way that Trump has no knowledge of their departments and will not even attempt to get educated about those departments. Our allies have also learned the hard way that, again, all Trump cares about is his ego and how it was stroked in the last conversation he’s had with anyone, to include Putin, Xi, and Kim. > > How you can seriously defend such incompetence, ignorance, and malfeasance is astonishing. > > The situation with North Korea is not a stalemate and really never has been. First off, North Korea is rather fond of sending troops to the south to kill military and civilians. Next, they have launched artillery attacks on South Korean territory in recent years, and have also sunk a South Korean navy ship. > > Do yourself a favor and stop mouthing off on stuff you clearly have absolutely no knowledge about. It’s pathetic. Those are your opinions; I just do not agree. 1.) Yes, Obama was a great orator, and that is pretty much where his skill stopped. He absolutely was docile, and had no balls. His greatest accomplishment was a disaster. 2.) Bluffing, Grandstanding (you should know, you are fantastic at this) and social engineering are all aspects of political discourse among national politicians, and it has worked in one way or another for years for every single politicians, so you are full of shit. 3.) Yes, they are his advisors. They are also his peers. Check the definition of ‘peers’. Just because they advise him doesn’t give him absolute power. Idiot. 4.)An armistice agreement with nothing resolved and two different dispositions is in fact a stalemate. How can someone with “Science Advisory Board” below his/her moniker be so fucking daft? 5.) That last part is great, that is a lot of projection. Maybe you are just another smug progressive who thinks you have the only and ‘enlightened’ opinion on damn near everything. Wait, it’s both. You are a sad, insecure person. Please remember the definition of the word ‘Opinion’. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2019, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-north-korea-wtf/836300/122 "2019-07-04T21:25:25Z")
> [@anomalous1](#): > > Interesting point. > > I suppose that is a good thing, that a red line hasn’t been discovered for the sake of peace. Only the future will tell in that regard. Hopefully nothing escalates. Funny, when Obama fails to find his red line, we say he has no balls. When Trump does it, we call it a good thing for peace. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2019, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-north-korea-wtf/836300/123 "2019-07-04T22:20:25Z")
This exchange actually happened, with **anomalouse1** actually quoting **Monty** ; it’s right above in [Post #121](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21732593&postcount=121): > [@Monty](#): > > Being reliable, trustworthy, and knowing what you are talking about are all positive things. > [@anomalous1](#): > > Those are your opinions; I just do not agree. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2019, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-north-korea-wtf/836300/124 "2019-07-05T00:58:41Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Careful man, if you do it every Thursday your pattern becomes predictable. Just switching lanes whenever intuitively feels like a more interesting strategy. Do report your findings. None of that would faze me. I’ve lived in Beijing for over five years. That’s SITNORM for Beijing drivers. > [@anomalous1](#): > > Those are your opinions; I just do not agree. > > 1.) Yes, Obama was a great orator, and that is pretty much where his skill stopped. He absolutely was docile, and had no balls. His greatest accomplishment was a disaster. His skills did not stop at being a great orator. Did you miss the bit about his scholarship? The man is a constitutional law expert. Next, he had two things that vie for “greatest accomplishment”: 1-Affordable Care Act, and 2-killing of Osama bin Laden. The affordable care act is a great idea and benefited millions, nay, hundreds of millions. Of course your hero, like you, allergic to logical thinking, has only one calculus for deciding to dismantle it: “Obama accomplished it”. That is the only part about the ACA that is a “disaster”: Trump and the Republicans attempts to destroy it. The second thing, of course, Trump cannot undo. And there’s nothing to show that Obama was wrong in what or how he took out bin Laden. It’s only in your fevered imagination that President Obama was docile. > [@](#): > > 2.) Bluffing, Grandstanding (you should know, you are fantastic at this) and social engineering are all aspects of political discourse among national politicians, and it has worked in one way or another for years for every single politicians, so you are full of shit. I’m not impressed by poker (sorry, **elucidator** ) so bluffing isn’t a thing I do. And it certainly isn’t something the last competent president, Obama, did. Social engineering is not “political discourse”. It’s a policy. Discourse is discussion. > [@](#): > > 3.) Yes, they are his advisors. They are also his peers. Check the definition of ‘peers’. Just because they advise him doesn’t give him absolute power. Idiot. [No problem, you moron](https://www.thefreedictionary.com/peer): > [@](#): > > peer1 (pɪər) > > n. > > 1. a person who is the equal of another in abilities, qualifications, age, background, or status. > 2. a person of the same legal status as another. > 3. something of equal worth or quality. > 4. a noble. > 5. a member of any of the five degrees of the nobility in Great Britain and Ireland (duke, marquis, earl, viscount, and baron). > 6. Archaic. a companion. You simply do not know the meanings of the words you are abusing. > [@](#): > > 4.)An armistice agreement with nothing resolved and two different dispositions is in fact a stalemate. How can someone with “Science Advisory Board” below his/her moniker be so fucking daft? Again, your reading comprehension skills are quite lacking. There is a _de jure_ stalemate; there is not a _de facto_ stalemate pertaining to the Korean War. North Korea continues to launch military attacks on South Korean territory and South Korean military (personnel, installations, and vessels) and South Korean civilians. > [@](#): > > 5.) That last part is great, that is a lot of projection. Maybe you are just another smug progressive who thinks you have the only and ‘enlightened’ opinion on damn near everything. Wait, it’s both. I find it quite entertaining that you think I am a progressive. Even a casual search of my posts on this site will disabuse a rational person of that mistaken idea. > [@](#): > > You are a sad, insecure person. Speaking of projection. :rolleyes: > [@](#): > > Please remember the definition of the word ‘Opinion’. Yet again, [no problem](https://www.thefreedictionary.com/opinion). You might want to consider how opinions pulled out of one’s anus fare compared to those that are arrived at via thoughtful and informed consideration. I remind you again that while everyone has a right to their opinion, no opinion has a right to be treated as anything other than asinine if it is simply an asinine opinion. > [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > This exchange actually happened, with **anomalouse1** actually quoting **Monty** ; it’s right above in [Post #121](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21732593&postcount=121): Fascinating, isn’t it? I, for one, who happen to have family (my in-laws) living in South Korea would quite prefer to have the people running the show, as it were, know what the fuck they are doing. TTMOV. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2019, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-north-korea-wtf/836300/125 "2019-07-05T01:01:17Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Fascinating, isn’t it? I, for one, who happen to have family (my in-laws) living in South Korea would quite prefer to have the people running the show, as it were, know what the fuck they are doing. TTMOV. I know it’d prolly be difficult for me to find common ground with someone who actively denies that “being reliable, trustworthy, and knowing what you are talking about are all positive things.” ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2019, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-north-korea-wtf/836300/126 "2019-07-05T03:09:49Z")
Or someone that sees “caring for people other than your own countrymen” as a negative. What a sad,weak and frightened man. > [@anomalous1](#): > > No, he got elected because people were tired of lefties (I’ll be fair; the far left that has hijacked the Democratic Party) bitching about their hurt feelings and pronouns to describe themselves, participation trophies and caring for people other than their own countrymen. Get a Democrat who doesn’t cater to this pussification and handholding the far left wants and they may get my vote. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2019, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-north-korea-wtf/836300/127 "2019-07-05T03:17:23Z")
Also, what kind of insecure snowflake gets upset about other people’s choice of “pronouns to describe themselves”? It’s a free country FFS, and people can choose what pronouns they prefer to describe themselves. Why is that worth worrying about at all, much less getting so freaked out about that it causes you to vote for someone like Trump? ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2019, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-north-korea-wtf/836300/128 "2019-07-05T03:53:47Z")
Now, see, that’s dem damned libruls abrogating rights. They don’t just have the right to be assholes. By God, they have the guaranteed legal right to be applauded and never mocked for being assholes. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2019, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-north-korea-wtf/836300/129 "2019-07-05T04:34:45Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Also, what kind of insecure snowflake gets upset about other people’s choice of “pronouns to describe themselves”? It’s a free country FFS, and people can choose what pronouns they prefer to describe themselves. **Bo** agrees. > [@Kimstu](#): > > Why is that worth worrying about at all, much less getting so freaked out about that it causes you to vote for someone like Trump? **Bo** wants to know! ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2019, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-north-korea-wtf/836300/130 "2019-07-05T04:50:32Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > I know it’d prolly be difficult for me to find common ground with someone who actively denies that “being reliable, trustworthy, and knowing what you are talking about are all positive things.” That’s got to be one of the oddest trolling lines ever on this site. Yeah, of course the troll thinks I know nothing about Korea, what with my decade total living in the place and being married to a Korean citizen. It’s that whole informed opinion certain under-bridge types dismiss. Oh, and I’m surprised nobody’s asked me what _TTMOV_ means. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2019, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-north-korea-wtf/836300/131 "2019-07-05T05:44:10Z")
Looked it up, all I got was interior design porn. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2019, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-north-korea-wtf/836300/132 "2019-07-05T06:43:35Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > > [@Monty](#): > > > > Oh, and I’m surprised nobody’s asked me what _TTMOV_ means. > > Looked it up, all I got was interior design porn. _TTMOV_=_T_he _T_roll’s _M_ileage _O_bviously _V_aries. Dare I ask what you mean by _designer porn_? ---
**Author:** ![anomalous1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e56c9b/32.png) [@anomalous1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anomalous1)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2019, 6:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-north-korea-wtf/836300/133 "2019-07-05T06:50:38Z")
“His skills did not stop at being a great orator. Did you miss the bit about his scholarship? The man is a constitutional law expert. Next, he had two things that vie for “greatest accomplishment”: 1-Affordable Care Act, and 2-killing of Osama bin Laden. The affordable care act is a great idea and benefited millions, nay, hundreds of millions. Of course your hero, like you, allergic to logical thinking, has only one calculus for deciding to dismantle it: “Obama accomplished it”. That is the only part about the ACA that is a “disaster”: Trump and the Republicans attempts to destroy it. The second thing, of course, Trump cannot undo. And there’s nothing to show that Obama was wrong in what or how he took out bin Laden. It’s only in your fevered imagination that President Obama was docile.” Ouch I hit a nerve insulting your god-messiah Obama didn’t I. I haven’t seen someone feverishly defend him that much in a while. He wasn’t an absolutely horrible president, but he was absolutely docile. “I’m not impressed by poker (sorry, **elucidator** ) so bluffing isn’t a thing I do. And it certainly isn’t something the last competent president, Obama, did. Social engineering is not “political discourse”. It’s a policy. Discourse is discussion.” It is absolutely a part of political discourse, you cannot be this stupid. When a politician talks, and manipulates or distorts the truth or people/groups to achieve an end result it is absolutely social engineering. Do I have to quote it, “If you like your doctor, you can…” is an example. No doubt Trump has many so don’t bother as I am not even arguing that. [Peer - definition of peer by The Free Dictionary](https://www.thefreedictionary.com/peer)]No problem, you moron “You simply do not know the meanings of the words you are abusing.” “Again, your reading comprehension skills are quite lacking. There is a _de jure_ stalemate; there is not a _de facto_ stalemate pertaining to the Korean War. North Korea continues to launch military attacks on South Korean territory and South Korean military (personnel, installations, and vessels) and South Korean civilians.” Nope. I said there was a stalemate, there is. End. Of Story. You even recognize one exists yourself. “I find it quite entertaining that you think I am a progressive. Even a casual search of my posts on this site will disabuse a rational person of that mistaken idea.” This may be true, as almost everything you post as far as I can remember seeing is complete garbage. You are a petulant flip flopper who uses polemic contrarianism wherever opportunity arises. Very regressive. Excuse me, but from reading your gargantuan amount of vitriolic posts, your obsession with President Obama, living in a far left leaning country and your general disposition it is readily difficult to assume anything otherwise. “Speaking of projection. :rolleyes:” ## That where we are at now, Monty? “No! U!” ? “Yet again, [no problem](https://www.thefreedictionary.com/opinion). You might want to consider how opinions pulled out of one’s anus fare compared to those that are arrived at via thoughtful and informed consideration. I remind you again that while everyone has a right to their opinion, no opinion has a right to be treated as anything other than asinine if it is simply an asinine opinion.” > **[Definition of PEER](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/peer)** > > one that is of equal standing with another : equal; especially : one belonging to the same societal group especially based on age, grade, or status; a member of one of the five ranks (duke, marquess, earl, viscount, or baron) of the British peerage;... ## one belonging to the same societal group especially based on age, grade, or status 2a : a member of one of the five ranks (duke, marquess, earl, viscount, or baron) of the British peerage Societal group equals politician, advisors and Secretary Of State are politicians. Here’s the definition of that for you as well > **[Definition of POLITICIAN](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/politician)** > > a person experienced in the art or science of government; especially : one actively engaged in conducting the business of a government; a person engaged in party politics as a profession… See the full definition ## a person experienced in the art or science of government If you truly have an open mind, no opinion can be discounted. You can look with less favor to some but to completely ignore their substance is itself, asinine. “Fascinating, isn’t it? I, for one, who happen to have family (my in-laws) living in South Korea would quite prefer to have the people running the show, as it were, know what the fuck they are doing. TTMOV.” Nobody cares. Can’t figure out how to quote correctly today, my apologies in case you maybe want to whine about that too. ---
**Author:** ![anomalous1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e56c9b/32.png) [@anomalous1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anomalous1)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2019, 7:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-north-korea-wtf/836300/134 "2019-07-05T07:13:58Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > Or someone that sees “caring for people other than your own countrymen” as a negative. > > What a sad,weak and frightened man. 1.) Not a negative, I just have priorities. 2.)Happy, Strong and Unwavering would be correct. FTFY. I know it’s a departure from a lot of slime on here, being a strong and happy person who isn’t miserable in their lives so they attempt to make up for it by appeasing others at every chance. Give it a shot. Be happy, strong and do not be intimidated. It makes life just wonderful. Especially if you are comfortable in your own skin like myself. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2019, 8:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-north-korea-wtf/836300/135 "2019-07-05T08:49:04Z")
> [@anomalous1](#): > > 1.) Not a negative, I just have priorities. > > 2.)Happy, Strong and Unwavering would be correct. FTFY. > > I know it’s a departure from a lot of slime on here, being a strong and happy person who isn’t miserable in their lives so they attempt to make up for it by appeasing others at every chance. > > Give it a shot. Be happy, strong and do not be intimidated. It makes life just wonderful. Especially if you are comfortable in your own skin like myself. Ladies and gentlemen: Exhibit A for Dunning-Kruger. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2019, 9:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-north-korea-wtf/836300/136 "2019-07-05T09:12:52Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > Ladies and gentlemen: Exhibit A for Dunning-Kruger. Not to mention he doesn’t know the difference between _de jure_ and _de facto_. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2019, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-north-korea-wtf/836300/137 "2019-07-05T12:49:12Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > …Dare I ask what you mean by _designer porn_? Apparently so, so here ya go! [![](https://i.vimeocdn.com/video/598717002-f4d8862d006eb129e5cf5ff1374e2f2ec7abd41b9a44ac53074949ad6a369802-d?f=webp "TTmov") ](https://vimeo.com/188651966) ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2019, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-north-korea-wtf/836300/138 "2019-07-05T12:56:23Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Not to mention he doesn’t know the difference between _de jure_ and _de facto_. Poe’s Law was getting quite the workout for a while, but it really is getting more and more clear this is simply a moron and not a troll. I suppose being one does not preclude the possibility of being the other but, wow, there can’t be many worse fates than being a moronic troll. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2019, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-north-korea-wtf/836300/139 "2019-07-05T13:03:35Z")
> [@anomalous1](#): > > 1.) Not a negative, I just have priorities. > > 2.)Happy, Strong and Unwavering would be correct. FTFY. > > I know it’s a departure from a lot of slime on here, being a strong and happy person who isn’t miserable in their lives so they attempt to make up for it by appeasing others at every chance. > > Give it a shot. Be happy, strong and do not be intimidated. It makes life just wonderful. Especially if you are comfortable in your own skin like myself. For those that aren’t weak and scared, kindness is not appeasement. Meanness is easy, kindness takes strength. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-north-korea-wtf/836300.md?page=6)