# So, now that you've finished Arkham City... **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [January 18, 2012, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-now-that-youve-finished-arkham-city/609940 "2012-01-18T21:27:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![bouv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bc8723/32.png) [@bouv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bouv)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2012, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-now-that-youve-finished-arkham-city/609940/21 "2012-01-22T16:37:51Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > Unless he was bluffing (which seems unlikely for the Joker) yes, he probably did take some people with him. Robin gets the sample of Batman’s blood, so they can eventually find the tainted blood and get rid of it, but odds are it has already been used in a few people. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2012, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-now-that-youve-finished-arkham-city/609940/22 "2012-01-23T14:14:48Z")
I’m hoping that Harley’s positive pregnancy test plays some part in the next game. And did I miss something, or was there no reason whatsoever for Joker to not have injected himself with the cure after Harley stole it? It was in Harley’s possession, then Clayface’s possession, but Joker was around the whole time. I can’t figure out why he didn’t take the cure earlier in the game. ---
**Author:** ![Uosdwis\_R.Dewoh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Uosdwis\_R.Dewoh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uosdwis_R.Dewoh)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2012, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-now-that-youve-finished-arkham-city/609940/23 "2012-01-23T14:40:57Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > . > And did I miss something, or was there no reason whatsoever for Joker to not have injected himself with the cure after Harley stole it? It was in Harley’s possession, then Clayface’s possession, but Joker was around the whole time. I can’t figure out why he didn’t take the cure earlier in the game. Harley did steal the cure from Freeze but Talia stole the cure from her. That’s why you can find Harley tied up at the steelworks. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2012, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-now-that-youve-finished-arkham-city/609940/24 "2012-01-23T15:17:58Z")
Did anyone see the Clayface twist coming? I suspected \* something\*, but not that. ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2012, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-now-that-youve-finished-arkham-city/609940/25 "2012-01-23T15:53:41Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > Did anyone see the Clayface twist coming? I suspected \* something\*, but not that. I did not even know Clayface existed. Well, I guess I kinda did, since they hinted at it in Arkham Asylum. I was wondering just who was in that cell, who kept changing appearance to look like other familiar characters. As far as I remember, they never actually spelled it out, and Clayface isn’t exactly well known. Surely not well known enough for casual not-really-into-comics gamers like me to recognize or suspect. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2012, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-now-that-youve-finished-arkham-city/609940/26 "2012-01-23T17:51:08Z")
> [@Uosdwis\_R.Dewoh](#): > > Harley did steal the cure from Freeze but Talia stole the cure from her. That’s why you can find Harley tied up at the steelworks. Huh - I thought Joker tied up Harley, just because he’s Joker. But didn’t Clayface have the cure at the theater? Or am I misremembering? > [@Mosier](#): > > I did not even know Clayface existed. > > Well, I guess I kinda did, since they hinted at it in Arkham Asylum. I was wondering just who was in that cell, who kept changing appearance to look like other familiar characters. As far as I remember, they never actually spelled it out, and Clayface isn’t exactly well known. Surely not well known enough for casual not-really-into-comics gamers like me to recognize or suspect. The reward for scanning the changing character in the cell in AA and solving that riddle was a Clayface biography, which made it obvious that he was in the cell. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2012, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-now-that-youve-finished-arkham-city/609940/27 "2012-01-23T21:32:53Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > Did anyone see the Clayface twist coming? I suspected \* something\*, but not that. I did get quite puzzled by the cutscene where Joker is doing his make-up, his face is all gross in the mirror and then he suddenly turns around and bam, nothing wrong. I had no idea what the hell had just happened and didn’t think to investigate the mirror after that scene. After a while I forgot about it entirely. I checked it out further in my new game+. Turns out it’s not a mirror, it’s a _window_. The bastards were cheeky enough to do the Duck Soup bit right in front of Batman. And yes **muldoon** , Clayface had the cure in the theater, because he’d just taken it from Talia’s corpse. Up until she offered Batman the cure after “killing” Joker, neither Joker nor Clayface had any idea it was her who had it - Joker thought \*Batman \*was the one who’d intercepted Harley (which is why he takes Talia hostage in the first place: to force Batman to bring him the cure. He says as much. Even though he’s shown himself to Batman already “cured”, which is another “huh, whut ?” clue to Clayface’s role). So why doesn’t Clayface just throw it to the real Joker or something ? Well, there _is_ a rodent infestation problem in the room. If anyone can yank something in mid-air, it’s the ninja with the 3 million gadgets. Which is why Clayface swallows it to keep it safe. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2012, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-now-that-youve-finished-arkham-city/609940/28 "2012-01-23T22:16:16Z")
Thanks for the explanation **Kobal2**. I completely missed that. Now I’m cursing the total inability to save the game right before interesting points so you can replay them. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2012, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-now-that-youve-finished-arkham-city/609940/29 "2012-01-23T22:22:51Z")
And now having watched it on youtube, I can’t _believe_ I missed it. Talia explains it all and everything. I’ll blame it on my kids distracting me at the crucial moment. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2012, 7:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-now-that-youve-finished-arkham-city/609940/30 "2012-01-28T07:43:15Z")
Ya know… I’ve played through twice and while I love what they’ve done with a lot of it, I can’t help but feel that they’ve missed the lightning in a bottle that was Asylum. A tight, wonderfully paced narrative, villains who had a real impact on the game and a tangible sense that the story was progressing rather than gliding about for hours and then maybe fighting a set piece battle or two… And what’s shit is that the next game, if there is a next game, will have to be a-bigger-more-open-sandbox-extravaganza. Fuck, save all the expanded Riddler puzzles and just give me Scarecrow levels again. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-now-that-youve-finished-arkham-city/609940.md?page=1)