# So, Otto. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 25, 2007, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-otto/423915 "2007-10-25T02:07:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2007, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-otto/423915/81 "2007-10-25T23:20:31Z")
[QUOTE=El Cid Viscoso] Fun fact: Confederate General _Stonewall_ Jackson is said to have gasped “Let us cross over the river and rest under the trees. Oy.” TMYK [/QUOTE] When Ethan Allen was dying, a doctor supposedly told him “General, I fear the angels are waiting for you.” Ethan shot back “Waiting are they? Waiting are they? Well–let 'em wait!” Possibly apocryphal, but worth a grin anyway. ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2007, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-otto/423915/82 "2007-10-25T23:26:10Z")
[QUOTE=fetus] Some people are lamenting the death of the Pit, but I say it’s as strong as ever. Hell, in the average pit thread nowadays you can find pileons of 2-4 different Dopers! It’s like watching a ping pong game: Now **Otto** is getting served, now **lobstermobster** , now **Liberal** …who’s next? [/QUOTE] To be fair Lib brings it on himself. Surreal purple prose from left field (way way way left field) just screams for scorn… wonder when the next “Good Bye cruel world” post will be? ---
**Author:** ![Sapo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ec9cab/32.png) [@Sapo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sapo)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2007, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-otto/423915/83 "2007-10-25T23:28:48Z")
[QUOTE=fetus] Some people are lamenting the death of the Pit, but I say it’s as strong as ever. Hell, in the average pit thread nowadays you can find pileons of 2-4 different Dopers! It’s like watching a ping pong game: Now **Otto** is getting served, now **lobstermobster** , now **Liberal** …who’s next? [/QUOTE] Not a good question to ask around here, these days. It could just as easily be you, if you miss a comma, or use a wrong dash. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2007, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-otto/423915/84 "2007-10-25T23:36:56Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] Lighten up, dude. Should we avoid saying anything figurative about having heart attacks or strokes because someone might have a relative who died of a heart attack or a stroke? [/QUOTE] Okay, I see your point. Obviously, I read her post out of context. Still, I’d like to make the point that while the death rattle is disturbing, my mother’s death overall was a beautiful and profound thing. I reached her only minutes before her last breath, and was able to whisper to her that I loved her. She squeezed my fingers in response. I apologize to you, **lobstermobster**. I’ll try to be less … severe in the future. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2007, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-otto/423915/85 "2007-10-25T23:45:54Z")
[QUOTE=Liberal] Okay, I see your point. Obviously, I read her post out of context. Still, I’d like to make the point that while the death rattle is disturbing, my mother’s death overall was a beautiful and profound thing. I reached her only minutes before her last breath, and was able to whisper to her that I loved her. She squeezed my fingers in response. I apologize to you, **lobstermobster**. I’ll try to be less … severe in the future. 🙂 [/QUOTE] Lib, stop. Just fucking stop. This stuff about your mom is innapropriate. You are sounding more loony than ever. You must be going through some rough times but we are not your shrink. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2007, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-otto/423915/86 "2007-10-25T23:48:38Z")
[QUOTE=askeptic] You must be going through some rough times but we are not your shrink. [/QUOTE] Do try to get a grip. Put me on ignore if you can’t control your eyeballs. ---
**Author:** ![bbs2k](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e495f1/32.png) [@bbs2k](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bbs2k)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2007, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-otto/423915/87 "2007-10-25T23:50:40Z")
[QUOTE=askeptic] Lib, stop. Just fucking stop. This stuff about your mom is innapropriate. You are sounding more loony than ever. You must be going through some rough times but we are not your shrink. [/QUOTE] Are you kidding? No, more more! Lib off his meds is like Fox TV in sweeps. He’s throwing out some of his best stuff, and I get to sit in watch with my Tombstone pizzas! ---
**Author:** ![Aangelica](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b2d939/32.png) [@Aangelica](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aangelica)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2007, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-otto/423915/88 "2007-10-25T23:51:48Z")
[QUOTE=Bricker] Perhaps the problem is that the “…random speculation in regards to [his] character, habits, and alleged gambling addiction…” is rather closely entwined with the requests to learn how this turned out. Perhaps **Otto** feels that the same people who invented out of whole fabric his bad character, unwholesome habits, and irredeemable gambling addiction might not be so favorably inclined to hear and accept an explanation of the matter. Call it a crazy hunch. I think **Otto** did a foolish thing. But I accept his explanation at face value that he didn’t intend to steal, and that his judgement was clouded by the drinks he’d had that evening. I accept this explanation because there is no compelling evidence to support a contrary inference. I especially think this “gambling addiction” crap is absurd; the creation of idiots who lack sufficient experience and knowledge of the activity to reach any kind of an informed conclusion. Now, an adult that does something stupid because his judgement is clouded by booze is not to be cheered, of course. But neither does he deserve this level of vilification. And having GOTTEN this level of vilification, I can absolutely understand his reluctance to return to the fray and give the hyenas and jackals fresh meat. [/QUOTE] Granted. However, not all of the people inquiring as to the outcome were jackals or hyenas, or, in fact, any other carrion eater. I’m going to submit that if you’re asking for advice about dubious behavior, you sort of have some lumps a-comin’. It still behooves him to post an update once it became clear that the people he came to for advice and assistance with the situation wanted one. It’s obviously not a requirement or anything, but it _would_ be courteous. I’m saying this as someone who didn’t read the original thread until this thread came along, and has no opinion one way or another about Otto’s gambling, alcohol consumption and/or intrinsic honesty and moral fiber. \*For the record, I’ve decided to totally ignore the whole, surreal **Liberal** /\*\*lobstermobster \*\* thing because I believe my world will be a happier place without it 😛 ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2007, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-otto/423915/89 "2007-10-25T23:53:27Z")
[QUOTE=Liberal] Do try to get a grip. [/QUOTE] Dude, be gentle Irony Meters are expensive and I just got this one back from the shop. ---
**Author:** ![Sapo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ec9cab/32.png) [@Sapo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sapo)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2007, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-otto/423915/90 "2007-10-25T23:58:56Z")
[QUOTE=Liberal] Okay, I see your point. Obviously, I read her post out of context. Still, I’d like to make the point that while the death rattle is disturbing, my mother’s death overall was a beautiful and profound thing. I reached her only minutes before her last breath, and was able to whisper to her that I loved her. She squeezed my fingers in response. I apologize to you, **lobstermobster**. I’ll try to be less … severe in the future. 🙂 [/QUOTE] Are you being treated with Sodium Thiopental? Back into your shell! ---
**Author:** ![VarlosZ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d78d45/32.png) [@VarlosZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VarlosZ)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2007, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-otto/423915/91 "2007-10-25T23:58:57Z")
Why are people implying that **Otto** suffers from a gambling addiction? Has he said as much? Is it just because he sometimes talks about poker? ---
**Author:** ![Waverly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/57b2e6/32.png) [@Waverly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waverly)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2007, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-otto/423915/92 "2007-10-26T00:07:17Z")
[QUOTE=bbs2k] Are you kidding? No, more more! [/QUOTE] Lib is annoying, self centered, and inappropriate… but he’s a human being. This topic isn’t something I feel we should be reading about on a public message board, let alone laugh at or argue about. He needs to turn off the computer and sleep it off. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2007, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-otto/423915/93 "2007-10-26T00:23:03Z")
[QUOTE=D\_Odds] The bolded part sounds more like you reading between the lines and applying motives not in evidence. I don’t know if **Otto** is telling the truth, or lying through his teeth. But I’m not going to get so emotionally invested in any of his (or anyone else’s) posts that I start making unfounded accusations. He says is was a drunken practical joke gone awry, and that he f-ed up. Good enough for me. As I don’t imply any motives or make any emotional investment, I don’t need ‘closure’. IMNSHO, the people who need closure are those that _invented_ a story far beyond the original 1/2 dozen or so sentences. [/QUOTE] Maybe you ought to reread the very first word you bolded. ---
**Author:** ![mischievous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mischievous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mischievous)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2007, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-otto/423915/94 "2007-10-26T00:45:36Z")
[QUOTE=lobstermobster] You can listen to sounds of the death rattle on pulmonary medical websites. God the internet is truly amazing. [/QUOTE] Ya know, I think I love you. mischievous ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2007, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-otto/423915/95 "2007-10-26T00:49:35Z")
[QUOTE=fetus] Some people are lamenting the death of the Pit… [/QUOTE] I wonder what that would sound like? ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2007, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-otto/423915/96 "2007-10-26T00:52:33Z")
[QUOTE=Hentor the Barbarian] I wonder what that would sound like? [/QUOTE] a helium type gurgle? ---
**Author:** ![Hostile\_Dialect](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e495f1/32.png) [@Hostile\_Dialect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hostile_Dialect)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2007, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-otto/423915/97 "2007-10-26T00:55:10Z")
> [@Aangelica](#): > > It still behooves him to post an update once it became clear that the people he came to for advice and assistance with the situation wanted one. It’s obviously not a requirement or anything, but it would be courteous. I’m saying this as someone who didn’t read the original thread until this thread came along, and has no opinion one way or another about Otto’s gambling, alcohol consumption and/or intrinsic honesty and moral fiber. Agreed. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2007, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-otto/423915/98 "2007-10-26T01:21:58Z")
[QUOTE=Aangelica] \*For the record, I’ve decided to totally ignore the whole, surreal **Liberal** /\*\*lobstermobster \*\* thing because I believe my world will be a happier place without it 😛 [/QUOTE] Mine too. Thank you muchly. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2007, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-otto/423915/99 "2007-10-26T01:51:29Z")
[QUOTE=tdn] You’re thinking of what agent orange smells like. [/QUOTE] No. It’s [urine](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9107491&postcount=104). ---
**Author:** ![BoBettie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4af34b/32.png) [@BoBettie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BoBettie)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2007, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-otto/423915/100 "2007-10-26T02:35:59Z")
[QUOTE=VarlosZ] Why are people implying that **Otto** suffers from a gambling addiction? Has he said as much? Is it just because he sometimes talks about poker? [/QUOTE] That was my exact question. This thread made me think of: “Anyone every tell you you’re bad luck Eddie?” "Those were my mama’s dyin words. But I guess if your body’s covered in third degree burns, and your foot’s caught in a bear trap, you tend to start talkin’ crazy. " [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-otto/423915.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-otto/423915.md?page=6)