# So Prigozhin is down before Putin **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion\ **Created:** [August 23, 2023, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-prigozhin-is-down-before-putin/988988 "2023-08-23T17:35:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Seanette](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/seanette/32/9139_2.png) [@Seanette](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seanette)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2023, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-prigozhin-is-down-before-putin/988988/21 "2023-08-23T19:08:11Z")
> [@griffin1977](#): > > Surprised it took so long. My own immediate thought. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2023, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-prigozhin-is-down-before-putin/988988/22 "2023-08-23T19:25:40Z")
> [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > They have windows in planes but I suspect they are too small to “fall” through. It’s amazing how small you can squish a body if you’re not picky about things like breaking many, many bones. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2023, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-prigozhin-is-down-before-putin/988988/23 "2023-08-23T19:38:51Z")
Like that scene in [Aliens 3](https://youtu.be/EjZ7Cb5WDLM?t=59)? ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2023, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-prigozhin-is-down-before-putin/988988/24 "2023-08-23T19:42:56Z")
Yep, just like that; acid for blood and everything. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2023, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-prigozhin-is-down-before-putin/988988/25 "2023-08-23T20:00:14Z")
> [@griffin1977](#): > > Surprised it took so long. > > Putin has had a couple of months to neuter Wagner as a fighting force and minimize the threat from any further rebellion from them. But retribution was always likely to come: > Summary of events from a couple of months ago: > ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2023, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-prigozhin-is-down-before-putin/988988/26 "2023-08-23T20:03:43Z")
“A 200 square foot apartment in Minsk!” ---
**Author:** ![mandala](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mandala/32/95_2.png) [@mandala](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mandala)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2023, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-prigozhin-is-down-before-putin/988988/27 "2023-08-23T20:09:08Z")
Moral of the story: the tail cannot wag the dog. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2023, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-prigozhin-is-down-before-putin/988988/28 "2023-08-23T20:39:07Z")
It cannot even wag the rat. ---
**Author:** ![TreacherousCretin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/treacherouscretin/32/476_2.png) [@TreacherousCretin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TreacherousCretin)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2023, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-prigozhin-is-down-before-putin/988988/29 "2023-08-23T20:56:58Z")
> [@Pardel-Lux](#): > > Like that scene in [Aliens 3](https://youtu.be/EjZ7Cb5WDLM?t=59)? That clip is from **Alien Resurrection**. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2023, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-prigozhin-is-down-before-putin/988988/30 "2023-08-23T21:09:02Z")
The partially State Owned energy company, Gazprom, has formed it’s own mercenary group. And Putin owns a lot of the privately held shares in Gazprom. This explains the end of Wagner. ---
**Author:** ![ratatoskK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ratatoskk/32/2987_2.png) [@ratatoskK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ratatoskK)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2023, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-prigozhin-is-down-before-putin/988988/31 "2023-08-23T21:17:27Z")
What’s the ostensible reason that someone on the ground was taking video of the plane at the same moment that it fell out of the sky? ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2023, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-prigozhin-is-down-before-putin/988988/32 "2023-08-23T21:20:23Z")
Presumably because it was falling from the sky, having been hit moments before by an anti-aircraft missile. ---
**Author:** ![ratatoskK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ratatoskk/32/2987_2.png) [@ratatoskK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ratatoskK)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2023, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-prigozhin-is-down-before-putin/988988/33 "2023-08-23T21:21:36Z")
Yeah but where was it? Maybe it was the middle of nowhere. I guess if it’s an innocent reason it had to happen over a place with enough people with cellphones that can whip them out quickly. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2023, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-prigozhin-is-down-before-putin/988988/34 "2023-08-23T21:26:31Z")
Yes, he was on the plane and is dead. > **[Russian agency says mercenary leader Prigozhin was aboard plane that crashed,...](https://apnews.com/article/russia-wagner-prigozhin-jet-crash-a7859e4e57f2efa2547dfbe5bdbaa1b2)** > > Russia’s civil aviation agency says mercenary leader Yevgeny Prigozhin was aboard a plane that crashed north of Moscow on Wednesday. All 10 people aboard were killed. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2023, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-prigozhin-is-down-before-putin/988988/35 "2023-08-23T21:26:39Z")
You can see in the video that it is the middle of nowhere, and the person in question was not very good at following a falling plane. OK, it was 6 o’clock in the afternoon, this being Russia, he was probably drunk, that does not make that task easier. But everybody has phones with cameras nowadays, and most people seem to have the reflex of recording everything unusual, probably hoping to get famous on some social media platform. I see nothing unusual in this regard. ---
**Author:** ![ratatoskK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ratatoskk/32/2987_2.png) [@ratatoskK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ratatoskK)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2023, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-prigozhin-is-down-before-putin/988988/36 "2023-08-23T21:28:05Z")
Quote from the article: > Keir Giles, a Russia expert with the international affairs think-tank Chatham House, had urged caution about reports of Prigozhin’s death. He said “multiple individuals have changed their name to Yevgeniy Prigozhin, as part of his efforts to obfuscate his travels.” ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2023, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-prigozhin-is-down-before-putin/988988/37 "2023-08-23T21:30:41Z")
It was near Tver, on the path between Moscow and St Petersburg in the more populated west of the country. Look on Google Maps - there’s plenty of agricultural land use there. We’re not talking about distant uninhabited Siberia. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2023, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-prigozhin-is-down-before-putin/988988/38 "2023-08-23T21:34:04Z")
Well, we’ll have to wait and see if it’s all an elaborate hoax. I’ve read lots of Russian commentary, from both pro and anti-Prigozhin sources, and I’ve not seen any of them claiming that he’s still alive. ---
**Author:** ![outlierrn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/outlierrn/32/3005_2.png) [@outlierrn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/outlierrn)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2023, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-prigozhin-is-down-before-putin/988988/39 "2023-08-23T22:02:50Z")
I would think that hitting one out of two planes with anti-aircraft fire for a target that had to be anticipating some kind of attempt would not be certain enough. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2023, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-prigozhin-is-down-before-putin/988988/40 "2023-08-23T22:31:36Z")
I suppose it could also have been a bomb that was planted on the plane. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-prigozhin-is-down-before-putin/988988.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-prigozhin-is-down-before-putin/988988.md?page=3)