So Prigozhin is down before Putin

Or something like “Coming in on one wing and a prayer”.

The Prime Minister of Albania tells a joke:

Prigozhin is hailed as a hero by mourners at his grave. It wasn’t shown on Russian state TV or radio, though.

In the Eastern Orthodox church, it is believed that the soul makes its final journey to either heaven or hell on the 40th day after death.

So hell it will be then. Strange that his admirers celebrate that, but what do I know about theology? Sadism was a central part of his life, let it be the key to his memory too.

The hate-filled thug who attacks another hate-filled thug who’s attacking me is my friend. Sorta. It’s no deeper than that.

That seldom works out for the better, remember the Taliban. The enemy of my enemy is the enemy of my enemy, nothing more and nothing less. I try to avoid interested parties telling me that the enemies of my enemies are my friends, because there is no correlation at all between Y being the enemy of X, X being an enemy of mine, and Y being a friend or an enemy of mine.

Of course not. As you say, it’s almost always a temporary pact with a devil.

That doesn’t mean it’s an uncommon ploy especially by unsophisticated folks like the general public or by otherwise powerless minority groups.

Human nature is timeless and most folks make bad decisions with a boot on their neck.

I think the proverb means “I can make use of the enemy of my enemy, because their enmity weakens my enemy to my benefit.” Not “I genuinely like all enemies of my enemy.”

Yes, of course you are both right. It’s just that this stuff about enemies and retribution is so often used with spurious ends, it makes me mad and sad. I can think of no example of a pact with the devil right now were the devil is not the winner in the end.

“If Hitler invaded Hell, I would make at least a favourable reference of the Devil in the House of Commons.”

— Winston S. Churchill, June, 1941

Compare what Churchill said about Hitler and Stalin before and after the Molotov-von Ribbentropp pact, after Hitler broke that pact and after Hitler’s defeat, all in just under five years :smiley: I wonder whether he used the German word Realpolitik for his changes of opinion?

“We’ve always been at war with Eastasia”.

I doubt if his opinion actually changed, whatever the realpolitik. Was there really more praise for Stalin himself or for a generality such as “the Russian people”?

Putin weaving some new reality:

While that sounds bizarre to western ears, this is Russia we’re talking about. Plausible deniability?

I think it’s the most plausible denial we’ve ever heard from Putin.

That is not what Putin says, I just asked my wife to interpret that fragment for me (she is a professional Russian interpreter). Putin quotes the “investigating comittee”, who allowed him to publicly state as the official version that hand grenade shrapnel was found on the bodies of the victims, but not on the outside of the plane. There was no outside cause for the crash. No alcohol or “drugs” (no explicit mention of cocaine) were found on the corpses, but cocaine and 10 billion in cash were found by the FSB in a residence that belonged to Prigozhin.
Fucking twitter! Anyone can post any shit and get attention instead of paying attention to what he really says. I don’t know what is true or not, but what Max Seddon claims is not at all what Putin has said. That is how fake news begin.

Well it is nobody’s fault now, right? Not his, not even the enemy’s.

If this is the Max Seddon in question:

Max Seddon has been the FT’s Moscow bureau chief since 2021 and leads coverage of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. He was previously a correspondent in the Moscow bureau, where he wrote about the tug-of-war over money and power between the Kremlin, Russian oligarchs, and state companies, as well as topics from the Orthodox Church to football. Before that, he covered Russia and Ukraine for BuzzFeed News and the Associated Press.

then he should understand Russian better than that. Anyway, I trust my wife on Russian more than him. Make of that what you want.

On the question of Soviet alliances before and during World War II, people may be interested in the new book by the historian Michael Jabara Carley, Stalin’s Gamble: The Search for Allies Against Hitler, 1930-1936. According to the publisher, the University of Toronto Press, “the book explores the Soviet Union’s efforts to organize a defensive alliance against Nazi Germany, in effect rebuilding the anti-German Entente of the First World War.”

The Putin/official narrative has been to paint Prigozhin as a corrupt degenerate who brought his demise on himself, thereby attempting to avert any sentiment of reverance towards him among Russians or feelings of his martyrdom.

(This video has subtitles)